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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Can-am (brp) is sending out press releases for electric bikes in two years with "plenty" of hp and torque. Time will tell if they appear and if they are any good. 100% rendered press releases always set off the spidey senses. If you are really going to production in two years, you should have a physical model even if it doesn't have all the drivetrain bits complete.

www.carscoops.com

Can-Am Unveils Origin And Pulse Electric Motorcycles, Set To Arrive In 2024 | Carscoops

A Sea-Doo Rise electric hydrofoil is also coming in 2024
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Is that a tablet for a screen??
 
mimico_polak said:
Oh my….this looks fun…

www.cnn.com

Most electric cars are quiet. But Dodge says its future electric muscle car will be super loud | CNN Business

Dodge, famous for offering cars with big and powerful V8 engines, is phasing out some of its iconic, gas-powered muscle cars in favor of electric power. To ease fans into this new era, the company has opted to mimic some muscle car sensations — including shifting gears and a loud exhaust — in an...
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Awesome. Sometimes I wish my Volt made vroom vroom noises.

......Sometimes I just make them myself.
 
slowbird said:
Awesome. Sometimes I wish my Volt made vroom vroom noises.

......Sometimes I just make them myself.
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LoL yes...same here.

My 5 year old son thinks my Volt is the coolest / fastest car in the world...he thought the WRX was too loud.

I'll let him live this fantasy.

speaking of, I need to change the oil/air/cabin filters soon.
 
mimico_polak said:
Oh my….this looks fun…

www.cnn.com

Most electric cars are quiet. But Dodge says its future electric muscle car will be super loud | CNN Business

Dodge, famous for offering cars with big and powerful V8 engines, is phasing out some of its iconic, gas-powered muscle cars in favor of electric power. To ease fans into this new era, the company has opted to mimic some muscle car sensations — including shifting gears and a loud exhaust — in an...
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Meh, if it sells cars and helps the "I really want the power and performance of an EV but don't want my buddies to think I've turned into a treehugger" crowd to actually buy into EV's, whatever. I'd try it out just to see what it sounds like - can't say there isn't times I kind of miss the nasty growl my old Magnum used to put out.
 
Probably a positive development but could go very wrong.

Tl: Dr Govt to allow billing by kwh instead of by time.

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Measurement Canada to allow kWh billing at EV chargers before the end of 2022

For two years Tesla and electric vehicle (EV) associations across Canada have been lobbying the federal government for fairer EV charging standards. This is because EV charging network providers in Canada are only allowed to [...]
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Interesting, but perhaps someone should inform some of the charging network operators this isn't allowed, because I could be wrong, but I'd swear we've paid per kwh at some chargers in the past.

Anyhow, this is fine IF an insane per-minute / per hour charge isn't tacked on top of this. EV owners have zero issues with paying for the actual energy they use, but it's when station operators charge per kwh AND tack on outrageously high minute/hourly charge that it gets into nicke-and-diming consumers. Heck, I constantly see stories coming out of the USA where there are public chargers that are costing EV owners effectively twice (or more) the equivalent than if they'd just drove a gas guzzler pickup. This makes EV's look like a ****** alternative in the eyes of many and will not help adoption.

Some chargers have "idle" rates beyond a certain time period which is dramatically higher than actual charging rates which are designed to get people to vacate chargers after a period of time, but this is different than when actually actively charging.
 
Slightly off topic but an interesting discussion on how every single vehicle with steering controlled by the computer is hilariously easy to fool. It is quite obvious that for some reason, all automakers do not want to implement restrictions on when/how "auto-pilot" is used.

www.roadandtrack.com

Every Semi-Autonomous Car Can Be Tricked Into Driving With Nobody at the Wheel

The technology to prevent this has been mandatory in lawn tractors for decades. So why aren't automakers using it?
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Looks like Tesla is duct taping their cars together now.

And as long as people keep buying them, they don’t care about customer satisfaction fixing them.

www.vox.com

Tesla reveals a major snag in the EV transition: Fixing them

Tesla wants to eliminate the need for service. Recode obtained customer complaints to the FTC that suggest this isn’t happening — yet.
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PrivatePilot said:
Looks like Tesla is duct taping their cars together now.

And as long as people keep buying them, they don’t care about customer satisfaction fixing them.

www.vox.com

Tesla reveals a major snag in the EV transition: Fixing them

Tesla wants to eliminate the need for service. Recode obtained customer complaints to the FTC that suggest this isn’t happening — yet.
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Vox news coming out with this is not surprising. Yes, wont disagree with terrible customer service in general and service centers is one of them.
My 3 and a few others from this year have not had any defects that I have found.

But lot's of big bad tesla again in this article for clicks. There's bad service centers for every brand, there's examples in this very forum. The only real components no one else can work on are the drivetrain. And no, your warranty won't be void if you replace a door handle or usb port yourself.

'Tesla drivers tend to visit service centers at nearly the same rate as the owners of premium gas-powered vehicles, such as Lexus or Audi, according to data the consumer research firm J.D. Power shared with Recode.'
Lexus comparable to Audi?
JD Power is a joke

Parts supply is however a huge issue. Not many aftermarket solutions yet is one of the factors. I put a deposit for a windshield at a third party shop and it took over a month to arrive. (tesla no longer does windshields at their SCs)
 
Figured it's a good time to post a longer term review on my Tesla since we're on the topic.

Ordered late Jan arrived mid March. Has now 18,000kms on it. 2022 Model 3 LR AWD
OTD price at the time was ~$65k. Sold my f150 at the time and financed the difference, payments ended up being less than my monthly gas costs.
Right now the OTD price from Tesla is ~$75k but orders have closed and ETA would have been sometime early next year. To buy one right now used is ~80k.
Based on price alone, I would not recommend it to anyone unless you are in the same situation as me.
I drive weekly to Kitchener, London and monthly to Sudbury.
Supercharging network means after the first week, I never need to plan my trips/charging. I just drive and charge when I need to. I can make it to Kitchener and back (Stouffville) with more than enough to do any errands or next day's work in Scarborough. Sudbury trip goes from 8hrs (ICE) to 9hrs round trip with a 20 min stop each way.

No weird panel gaps or other issues. QC was same level as wifes past bmw and mercedes.
Nothing broken so far other than windshield but that was not the car's fault, no battery degradation.

Autopilot + autosteer was terrible when I first got the car that I stopped using it. It would phantom emergency brake at weird times and slowdown for no reason.
Not sure when but on one of the updates between then and now it's significantly improved that I use it for all my long drives. Autopilot + autosteer goes up to 140 on highways and works great when it is less busy. I still don't like how slow it is to accelerate in traffic conditions compared to manual driving.
I've never been worried about it hitting someone or something, everything it sees is identified on the screen, and it works better than any other ACC/LKA I've tried.

EVs are the future, I've drunk the koolaid. The refinement can't be compared to an ICE. Yes, you don't get the sound but the instant torque anytime does not get old. Every person that's been in it has mentioned how quiet and smooth it is.
All that being said I would not recommend a Tesla solely because of the price, it has gotten way too expensive for what it is compared to the other EVs. The Kia EV6 is a better alternative with more space, cheaper and has AA/Carplay (one of my biggest gripes).

Too much other items to cover but ask away with any other questions.
 
killvino said:
Figured it's a good time to post a longer term review on my Tesla since we're on the topic.

Ordered late Jan arrived mid March. Has now 18,000kms on it. 2022 Model 3 LR AWD
OTD price at the time was ~$65k. Sold my f150 at the time and financed the difference, payments ended up being less than my monthly gas costs.
Right now the OTD price from Tesla is ~$75k but orders have closed and ETA would have been sometime early next year. To buy one right now used is ~80k.
Based on price alone, I would not recommend it to anyone unless you are in the same situation as me.
I drive weekly to Kitchener, London and monthly to Sudbury.
Supercharging network means after the first week, I never need to plan my trips/charging. I just drive and charge when I need to. I can make it to Kitchener and back (Stouffville) with more than enough to do any errands or next day's work in Scarborough. Sudbury trip goes from 8hrs (ICE) to 9hrs round trip with a 20 min stop each way.

No weird panel gaps or other issues. QC was same level as wifes past bmw and mercedes.
Nothing broken so far other than windshield but that was not the car's fault, no battery degradation.

Autopilot + autosteer was terrible when I first got the car that I stopped using it. It would phantom emergency brake at weird times and slowdown for no reason.
Not sure when but on one of the updates between then and now it's significantly improved that I use it for all my long drives. Autopilot + autosteer goes up to 140 on highways and works great when it is less busy. I still don't like how slow it is to accelerate in traffic conditions compared to manual driving.
I've never been worried about it hitting someone or something, everything it sees is identified on the screen, and it works better than any other ACC/LKA I've tried.

EVs are the future, I've drunk the koolaid. The refinement can't be compared to an ICE. Yes, you don't get the sound but the instant torque anytime does not get old. Every person that's been in it has mentioned how quiet and smooth it is.
All that being said I would not recommend a Tesla solely because of the price, it has gotten way too expensive for what it is compared to the other EVs. The Kia EV6 is a better alternative with more space, cheaper and has AA/Carplay (one of my biggest gripes).

Too much other items to cover but ask away with any other questions.
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They’re banking on the supercharger network (as they should). That would be the only reason I get into an EV at this time. With our situation we cannot charge at home.
 
Evoex said:
They’re banking on the supercharger network (as they should). That would be the only reason I get into an EV at this time. With our situation we cannot charge at home.
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I think it'd be huge for the industry if they open up the network for others but a big blow to their sales.

I was actually thinking about that because my buddy has a few Teslas in his condo parking. Current battery capacities means that most people should be able to go at least a week without needing to charge. You definitely don't NEED to have home charging but with a much cheaper charge rate and convenience it doesn't hurt.
 
if it wasnt for the poor non-tesla charging network (seems like you need to have 10 different apps and accounts to cover the non-tesla charging network in canada, and half the time they look down or not charging full fast speeds) i would be hopping on the lesser EVs (bolt euv but it needs fast charging), ev6, etc. give me 400+kms, fast charging, and for the 45k mark to get the federal rebate.
 
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