Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

[GreyGhost]

I bought the battery for my electric conversion from Langilles wreckers in port perry. The electric bus company that they were tearing batteries off of trained the staff on how to safely remove the batteries as one unit. the wreckers left the battery packs in a pile outside until DIYers like myself come and buy them to tear down to the modules or cell level. Lots of ebike, rv, trolling motor, home back-up, etc. diyers don't want to pay retail for large lithium batteries so they buy slightly depleted used and try their hand at battery pack building.

That makes sense. Filling the pack full of stiff foam really puts a damper into the disassemble to reuse program. I doubt a manufacturer like Tesla would do cell level repair but aftermarket repairs and/or cell reuse seem like a better program than shredder and remanufacture cells. Obviously the shredder is more easily scaled.

 

[MacDoc]

Replacing lithium batteries that were glued in laptops was a challenge but some specific solvent made that DIY.
They need a foam that will melt away under UV or have a specific solvent to melt it without damaging the cells.
This will be moot soon enough as solid state batteries take over.

Those Big Bets on Solid-State Batteries—The Payoff is Getting Closer

The advantages of solid-state batteries versus lithium-ions to power EVs are clear, but designing the solid electrolyte has proven difficult. However, many companies and institutions...

www.electronicdesign.com

Solid Power, backed by Ford and BMW, begins pilot production of innovative EV battery with longer range and quicker recharging

Solid Power has begun pilot production of its new solid-state EV battery, offering better range and shorter recharging.

www.cnbc.com

 

[GreyGhost]

Replacing lithium batteries that were glued in laptops was a challenge but some specific solvent made that DIY.
They need a foam that will melt away under UV or have a specific solvent to melt it without damaging the cells.
This will be moot soon enough as solid state batteries take over.

Those Big Bets on Solid-State Batteries—The Payoff is Getting Closer

The advantages of solid-state batteries versus lithium-ions to power EVs are clear, but designing the solid electrolyte has proven difficult. However, many companies and institutions...

www.electronicdesign.com

Solid Power, backed by Ford and BMW, begins pilot production of innovative EV battery with longer range and quicker recharging

Solid Power has begun pilot production of its new solid-state EV battery, offering better range and shorter recharging.

www.cnbc.com

I wouldn't say soon since they are still thinking about a pilot plant to produce test cells. It sounds like a fundraising article and they hope they find a unicorn that they can use in a decade. Round lithium will be the dominant battery form for quite a while yet. They may change form factor a bit (different sized cylinders) and I expect that someone will have multiple sizes soon (big cylinders for bulk energy, small cylinders in the voids to increase energy density and provide surge power when required [small cells will be easier to cool]).

 

[MacDoc]

Ummm Ford and BMW have quite enough funds and they are not the only game around for solid state.
Is this not soon enough?

• If all goes well, mass production could begin as soon as 2024.

and another big player

Samsung SDI Builds Solid-State Battery Pilot Facility

Samsung SDI, one of the several largest lithium-ion battery manufacturers for EVs, announced that it6 started construction of its solid-state battery pilot line.

insideevs.com

and

Research into solid-state batteries recently attracted a new wave of investors, including electric vehicle manufacturers, like Mercedes-Benz, Stellantis and Volkswagen, to name just a few. Nissan announced in-house tech, with a very ambitious target: $75 per kWh at the battery pack level. Production might start by 2028.

 

[SunnY S]

Chevrolet Blazer EV revealed: 2024 Chevy Blazer EV: Up to 320-mile range, $45-$66k MSRP, 'Police Pursuit'

Looks good to me.

2024 Honda Prologue spy photos suggest Blazer EV bones

2024 Honda Prologue electric crossover SUV appears in spy photos. It appears to be based on the Chevy Blazer EV, though with a heavy dose of Honda style.

www.autoblog.com

 

[PrivatePilot]

As long as home depot et all can sell electrical materials to the public I guarantee you there is a huge amount of work from everyone that doesn't get a permit and inspection

Esa should really outlaw this if they are truly concerned with electrical safety

For the record, it IS possible for responsible DIY'ers to look up ESA standards and codes and do DIY work fully adhering to them.

Just because someone doesn't have a red seal doesn't mean they can't manage a dead simple task like changing a receptacle or light switch in their house to the exact same standard and level of safety an electrician would.
The same as how a lot of people can perfectly safely do so minor automotive maintenance like changing their brake pads - that sort of thing can be accomplished by someone with the right skills and tools, following best practices and documented procedures - you don't *need* to be a red seal mechanic.

To suggest that anyone who dares touch anything electrical in their own home is automatically risking their house burning to the ground is disingenuous.

 

[Scuba Steve]

For the record, it IS possible for responsible DIY'ers to look up ESA standards and codes and do DIY work fully adhering to them.

Just because someone doesn't have a red seal doesn't mean they can't manage a dead simple task like changing a receptacle or light switch in their house to the exact same standard and level of safety an electrician would.
The same as how a lot of people can perfectly safely do so minor automotive maintenance like changing their brake pads - that sort of thing can be accomplished by someone with the right skills and tools, following best practices and documented procedures - you don't *need* to be a red seal mechanic.

To suggest that anyone who dares touch anything electrical in their own home is automatically risking their house burning to the ground is disingenuous.

That is what the esa is saying anything un inspected is dangerous regardless of how it is done.

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[PrivatePilot]

That is what the esa is saying anything un inspected is dangerous regardless of how it is done.

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Exactly, which is protectionistic and sensationalistic nonsense designed to scare people into hiring an electrician at $150 to do a 5 minute ceiling light swap or something dead easy like that. And then they want the work reviewed, etc etc.
Sorry, but turning off the main breaker, taking down a ceiling light and swapping it for a new one (literally 2 wire connections and a ground) and re-attaching it to the ceiling isn't something that would seem to justify needing to file a "notice of work" and then paying around $80-$100 for an ESA inspector to come look at it after the fact. And you're supposed to leave the light hanging I guess in the meantime until the time of the inspection since you're specifically directed to "not conceal your work" from the inspector.

I'm all good with standards and safety etc etc etc...but there comes a point where the laws and regulations get so silly, overbearing, and expensive...that a lot of people just start to ignore them. Do you really think Joe "Handy DIY'er" Homeowner who bought a new light fixture for his front hallway at Home Depot is going to file ESA paperwork of his intention to swap his fixture, and then pay for an inspection for a swap he did himself?

 

[GreyGhost]

Exactly, which is protectionistic and sensationalistic nonsense designed to scare people into hiring an electrician at $150 to do a 5 minute ceiling light swap or something dead easy like that. And then they want the work reviewed, etc etc.
Sorry, but turning off the main breaker, taking down a ceiling light and swapping it for a new one (literally 2 wire connections and a ground) and re-attaching it to the ceiling isn't something that would seem to justify needing to file a "notice of work" and then paying around $80-$100 for an ESA inspector to come look at it after the fact. And you're supposed to leave the light hanging I guess in the meantime until the time of the inspection since you're specifically directed to "not conceal your work" from the inspector.

I'm all good with standards and safety etc etc etc...but there comes a point where the laws and regulations get so silly, overbearing, and expensive...that a lot of people just start to ignore them. Do you really think Joe "Handy DIY'er" Homeowner who bought a new light fixture for his front hallway at Home Depot is going to file ESA paperwork of his intention to swap his fixture, and then pay for an inspection for a swap he did himself?

I thought like for like didnt require a permit? In any case, ESA needs to modernize. For reasonably simple jobs, some pics or video should allow a desk jockey to make a determination. Throw a template video online which shows conceptually what they are looking for (securement, box fill, proper extension, etc).

 

[PrivatePilot]

I thought like for like didnt require a permit?

Doesn't seem like it:

Do-It-Yourself (DIY) Electrical Work - Electrical Safety Authority (ESA)

Only you or a Licensed Electrical Contracting business can do electrical work in your home. Friends, family members or neighbours cannot help you with electrical work.

esasafe.com

"Even for little jobs, you must file a notification of work with ESA within 48 hours of commencing work. The notification fees may vary based on the complexity of the job."

You must get your work reviewed by ESA as soon as it is complete. The inspection process may vary depending on the project.

• Remember: Do not to conceal the work before ESA has reviewed it.

If the work doesn't comply with the OESC, the Inspector will issue a “defect notice” outlining the necessary corrections. Don’t worry if you receive a defect notice — this is only for your safety.

• When you make the required corrections, the Inspector will review your work again and issue the Certificate of Acceptance

It seems, from reading their website, that each and every one of these steps (even including filing the "notification of work") involves fees.

 

[SunnY S]

To suggest that anyone who dares touch anything electrical in their own home is automatically risking their house burning to the ground is disingenuous.

who said that? goal posts....

 

[Chris-CJ]

Another fire, over 100 EV's toast.
Possible cause points to a short in the chargers.
More detail here:

100 Vehicles Catch fire in Delhi’s Electric Vehicle Charging Station - India - Batteries News

100 vehicles catch fire in Delhi’s Electric Vehicle charging station - India. A massive fire broke out in Delhi’s Jamia Nagar electric

batteriesnews.com

 

[GreyGhost]

Another fire, over 100 EV's toast.
Possible cause points to a short in the chargers.
More detail here:

100 Vehicles Catch fire in Delhi’s Electric Vehicle Charging Station - India - Batteries News

100 vehicles catch fire in Delhi’s Electric Vehicle charging station - India. A massive fire broke out in Delhi’s Jamia Nagar electric

batteriesnews.com

Really sketchy details in article. Basically they asked a fire fighter and they guessed. On the other hand, almost every electrical fire will be due to a short. It may not even have been in a vehicle, it could have been a wiring fault before the evse.

Also, comparing that pile of vehicles to north american ev's is inappropriate. The vast majority of those in the fire (and maybe all) would never be approved for use here.

"As many as 30 new e-rickshaws, 50 old e-rickshaws, 10 private cars, 2 scooters and a motorcycle were gutted"

It almost reads like an article written by a bot. It raises points about dc fast charging (likely not applicable to most of the vehicles in the fire), static electricity, etc. Pretty much a shotgun blast of random ideas.

 

[slowbird]

My dad is a typical old fart that hates change. Very conservative, and anti-EV. Always sends me articles how crap they are and how unreliable they are. (ironically he drives an RX-8 lolol)

Anyways, he's always sending me articles about Electric cars catching fire, and always brings up how they are "prone to fires". Yet he seems to forget I am a 911 dispatcher for the Fire Department.

In over a decade I have yet to have, or even be in the room, for a vehicle Fire that was an EV, or even a plug in Hybrid. I'd say we average 1 vehicle fire a day (and that is for the Entire Region of Peel and every major highway that goes through it)
I'm not saying they don't catch fire, just that the media makes a big stink when they do, and never makes a peep when ICE cars go up in a blaze.

 

[GreyGhost]

I'm not saying they don't catch fire, just that the media makes a big stink when they do, and never makes a peep when ICE cars go up in a blaze.

Between the marsh and Barrie there have been one or two pickup trucks that burn to the ground every week this summer. Normally hauling a camper. Probably the first time they have had to do truck things in a year. The upside to the media uproar when an EV burns is you realize how rare it is. There probably aren't many EV fires that avoid publicity.

 

[slowbird]

There probably aren't many EV fires that avoid publicity.

That's very true.

 

[SunnY S]

My dad is a typical old fart (ironically he drives an RX-8 lolol)

Actually, that makes him a cool dad....

 

[Chris-CJ]

Really sketchy details in article. Basically they asked a fire fighter and they guessed. On the other hand, almost every electrical fire will be due to a short. It may not even have been in a vehicle, it could have been a wiring fault before the evse.

Also, comparing that pile of vehicles to north american ev's is inappropriate. The vast majority of those in the fire (and maybe all) would never be approved for use here.

"As many as 30 new e-rickshaws, 50 old e-rickshaws, 10 private cars, 2 scooters and a motorcycle were gutted"

It almost reads like an article written by a bot. It raises points about dc fast charging (likely not applicable to most of the vehicles in the fire), static electricity, etc. Pretty much a shotgun blast of random ideas.

Agreed that the article is sketchy with more guess-work and less deductive logic.
There has been a higher incidence of two-wheeler EVs there catching fire, apparently the build standards there, are different from that of NA.

 

[slowbird]

Duplicate post. Please ignore.

 

[slowbird]

Actually, that makes him a cool dad....

Don't get me wrong. An RX-8 is a cool car. But you haven't seen his vanity plate

...and if you're gonna quote my post SunnY, quote it accurately.

My dad is a typical old fart (ironically he drives an RX-8 lolol)

^^ You're making it sound like I said he's a typical old fart because he drives an RX-8, when I clearly said he's a typical old fart because he doesn't like change.

My dad is a typical old fart that hates change. Very conservative, and anti-EV. Always sends me articles how crap they are and how unreliable they are. (ironically he drives an RX-8 lolol)