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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

killvino said:
I think it'd be huge for the industry if they open up the network for others but a big blow to their sales.

I was actually thinking about that because my buddy has a few Teslas in his condo parking. Current battery capacities means that most people should be able to go at least a week without needing to charge. You definitely don't NEED to have home charging but with a much cheaper charge rate and convenience it doesn't hurt.
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I think condos will start adding a few shared level 2. Could be pretty efficient as they could let you book times. If you know your car needs 4 hours a week, book it at a time that works for you. That lets a lot of people use only a few chargers and shpuldnt leave you stuck if you show up empty to an unscheduled charger and cant get in. Schedule lets the condo make back costs but could still undercut supercharger rates by a mile.
 
GreyGhost said:
I think condos will start adding a few shared level 2. Could be pretty efficient as they could let you book times. If you know your car needs 4 hours a week, book it at a time that works for you. That lets a lot of people use only a few chargers and shpuldnt leave you stuck if you show up empty to an unscheduled charger and cant get in. Schedule lets the condo make back costs but could still undercut supercharger rates by a mile.
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that's actually a great idea for condos. they already have to book party rooms and other amenities.
 
When I first got my Volt back in '16 I tried plugging in at work. I work in a Region of Peel/Peel Police building and there were always empty 12/120 outlets no one ever used. I started plugging in when I was on nightshift and one of the Cops ran my license plate and ratted me out to my Chief. I was ordered to stop as apparently the rules state No electrical cars can plug into the building. All of my arguments and requests fell on deaf ears. 😞 (I later found out the Cop ratted me out so HE could plug in his PHEV, but he was told to stop as well)

Skip to now and a cop has a new EV Mustang and lives in St. Catherines. Our lot was recently redone and they added about 4 little posts with normal 12/120 outlets. He started plugging in and facilities would send their guys out there and unplug him. He complained to his Superintendent that he couldn't make it to work and back without a charge and they gave him permission.
With him plugging in regularly I started plugging in too. Slowly slowly everyone else started showing up in their EV's and started plugging in.

Besides the cop with the EV 'stang and I, none of the other EV drivers have met each other. I wish there was some sort of schedule or plan as to when we can use the plugs as now they are just first come first serve and a Tesla is always taking up one of the spots. All day every day.
I have been told by the co-worker of that Tesla owners that "You don't need to plug in because you drive a Hybrid." I argued I can drive on full electric just like the Tesla, I'm just carrying around a gas powered Electric Generator in the case I am unable to charge. I shouldn't be punished for that.

On the same subject, the lady with the Extended range EV Mustang that lives 30km away shouldn't be plugging in neither.

If I don't need to charge I don't plug in, and when I have enough to get me home I unplug and move my car. Unfortunately I seem to be in the minority.

I find this is the biggest problem owning an EV. Seeing the greediness, laziness, and selfishness when it comes to charging spots. Seeing people hogging the spots, or staying in them when they don't need to charge anymore. It's incredibly frustrating.

Let's not even mention all of the non EV drivers that just take up charging spots.
 
Wingboy said:
If it were pay per use, the problem would go away.
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Outside of places where they are installed to draw traffic (like malls), pay per kwh at a rate somewhat higher than home charging (maybe 1.5-2x peak kwh rate?) makes a lot of sense. Keeps the public chargers available for those that don't have home charging. Don't price it as high as supercharger rates or people like slowbird will drive home on gas because it's cheaper per km.
 
GreyGhost said:
Outside of places where they are installed to draw traffic (like malls), pay per kwh at a rate somewhat higher than home charging (maybe 1.5-2x peak kwh rate?) makes a lot of sense. Keeps the public chargers available for those that don't have home charging. Don't price it as high as supercharger rates or people like slowbird will drive home on gas because it's cheaper per km.
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The charging rates needs to be profitable for the charging station builders/owners if we want to stick to capitalism as a solution. That is not a little more than the home kWh rates...

Sure companies like Tesla are doing the loss leader approach (to sell cars). Others that take the loss leader approach (free or cheap charging) as well to try to draw in traffic into stores but some of these are now taking the stations out (or adding costs) as they did not generate the spill over revenue hoped for. Some private companies are doing similar as employee goodwill or environmental goodwill. There is also some tax payers money available in some cases or 100% taxpayer funded (and "free' like healthcare...). None of that is sustainable at a large scale.

We don't expect GM to give away gas at large scale at a loss to boost auto sales nor do we expect Esso to sell gas at a loss and make it up on candy-bar sales. Neither would be sustainable long term (but both have been done low scale marketing wise, short term).

In the end there needs to be a four year or shorter ROI on building the charging stations privately for this to scale up in that fashion. In some cases PPP may accept as long as a 10 year ROI with taxpayer money in the pot.

Sadly many call this "gouging" at the stations....
 
backmarkerducati said:
The charging rates needs to be profitable for the charging station builders/owners if we want to stick to capitalism as a solution. That is not a little more than the home kWh rates...

Sure companies like Tesla are doing the loss leader approach (to sell cars). Others that take the loss leader approach (free or cheap charging) as well to try to draw in traffic into stores but some of these are now taking the stations out (or adding costs) as they did not generate the spill over revenue hoped for. Some private companies are doing similar as employee goodwill or environmental goodwill. There is also some tax payers money available in some cases or 100% taxpayer funded (and "free' like healthcare...). None of that is sustainable at a large scale.

We don't expect GM to give away gas at large scale at a loss to boost auto sales nor do we expect Esso to sell gas at a loss and make it up on candy-bar sales. Neither would be sustainable long term (but both have been done low scale marketing wise, short term).

In the end there needs to be a four year or shorter ROI on building the charging stations privately for this to scale up in that fashion. In some cases PPP may accept as long as a 10 year ROI with taxpayer money in the pot.

Sadly many call this "gouging" at the stations....
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I was more thinking for places like condos and workplaces that don't have an explicit profit motivation. They can greenwash, chargers get used and vacated reasonably efficiently, cost to condo/business is zero to slightly positive. 10 year ROI in that scenario seems reasonable.
 
slowbird said:
Seeing people hogging the spots, or staying in them when they don't need to charge anymore.
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This is why a lot of chargers are moving to a system where they charge a nominal rate for the actual charging, or for a set period of time, and then once the car is fully charged or that set amount of time elapses, the rate goes insanely high.

This design gets people to return, unplug, and GTFO.
 
backmarkerducati said:
The charging rates needs to be profitable for the charging station builders/owners if we want to stick to capitalism as a solution. That is not a little more than the home kWh rates...

Sure companies like Tesla are doing the loss leader approach (to sell cars). Others that take the loss leader approach (free or cheap charging) as well to try to draw in traffic into stores but some of these are now taking the stations out (or adding costs) as they did not generate the spill over revenue hoped for. Some private companies are doing similar as employee goodwill or environmental goodwill. There is also some tax payers money available in some cases or 100% taxpayer funded (and "free' like healthcare...). None of that is sustainable at a large scale.

We don't expect GM to give away gas at large scale at a loss to boost auto sales nor do we expect Esso to sell gas at a loss and make it up on candy-bar sales. Neither would be sustainable long term (but both have been done low scale marketing wise, short term).

In the end there needs to be a four year or shorter ROI on building the charging stations privately for this to scale up in that fashion. In some cases PPP may accept as long as a 10 year ROI with taxpayer money in the pot.

Sadly many call this "gouging" at the stations....
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Supercharging was only free for their top end cars S and X ($100k+) and only with a referral with original owner. They no longer offer this at all and their rates at least in Canada are pretty high. Still not close to gas yet but many times more than charging at home. Have not compared to third party chargers.
 
killvino said:
Supercharging was only free for their top end cars S and X ($100k+) and only with a referral with original owner. They no longer offer this at all and their rates at least in Canada are pretty high. Still not close to gas yet but many times more than charging at home. Have not compared to third party chargers.
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Interesting, thanks. The last I read supercharging was getting really close to gas price ($/km). Actual experience trumps media fluff.
 
GreyGhost said:
Interesting, thanks. The last I read supercharging was getting really close to gas price ($/km). Actual experience trumps media fluff.
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~$35/400kms based on my Sudbury drives and that's at the worst efficiency doing ~140kph, can't get more detailed numbers because they don't charge per kWh yet.
Depends on your viewpoint. Possibly getting close to a very efficient econocar at lower gas prices.
But I've smoked C43AMGs, new supras, etc. so that's not a fair reference point.
 
killvino said:
~$35/400kms based on my Sudbury drives and that's at the worst efficiency doing ~140kph, can't get more detailed numbers because they don't charge per kWh yet.
Depends on your viewpoint. Possibly getting close to a very efficient econocar at lower gas prices.
But I've smoked C43AMGs, new supras, etc. so that's not a fair reference point.
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lol those cars are entry level performance...you'll smoke a lot better cars then those! :devilish:
 
GreyGhost said:
Isnt he missing the fun letters? I thought it had to have performance in the name to haul ass. The base powertrain beats all normal cars but can be taken by performance cars.
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4.2 will dust most cars you see on the road. plus he has dual motor, many performance vehicles are still rwd. so he's going to get a big jump off the line.
 
Ever since my commute changed from Scarborough to west downtown, it seems my 2018 Volt does all of our driving on electric only now. Only used 7 litres of gas in the last 7000km and a bunch of that was for engine maintenance. Haven’t filled up since Mothers Day and might have to burn the tank out at some point just to get the bike gas out.

I see a lot of nice electric of PHEV vehicles on the road now too!
 
We don't expect GM to give away gas at large scale at a loss to boost auto sales nor do we expect Esso to sell gas at a loss and make it up on candy-bar sales. Neither would be sustainable long term (but both have been done low scale marketing wise, short term).
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oh ??
A recent report from the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD) on provincial fossil fuel subsidies estimated B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador together provided at least $2.5 billion in provincial fossil fuel subsidies in the 2020/2021 fiscal year.
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Oil Change International, a research and advocacy group focused on getting the world off fossil fuels, recently reported that Canada provided more public financing for fossil fuels than any other G20 country, averaging $14 billion annually between 2018 and 2020.
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:coffee:
 
Watch all those gas savings evaporate....
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from your quote
Fake news. The dealer is incompetent and looked up the wrong part number. The parts guy and service writer both should have seen the prices are way out of whack and immediately suspected this.

The right part is 20979876, remanufactured battery assembly for a 2011-2014 Volt, lists for $9,100.
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:coffee:
 
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