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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

mimico_polak said:
Not sure how long I'll keep this one as the itch has started (GTI from BIL at the moment)
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I had to fill the tank on my wifes Volt yesterday (we are doing some more towing today moving our daughter into her new university res) and even at the "bargain basement price" of $1.69/L, pumping $50 into the car still stung.

I do not miss the days of pumping 70L into my Magnum. Would have been basically $120 right now. $150 at the peak of things.

Our entire power bill for the entire house last month, including the pool, 2.5 Volts (my son has taken to sneak-charging his occasionally now LOL), central air, and everything else, was $225.

Still enjoying driving electric LOL.
 
I have noticed travelling and stopping for fuel in the USA that the number of big pickups is greater down here. But at gas stations most of them seem to be very quick. In the tourist areas Wash, Montana etc, 30' trailers pulled by big duallys are very common.
 
As expected, Tesla continues to try to be Apple. Munro reports the new 4680 battery pack is completely unrepairable. They don't say it but it likely also means that it is almost impossible to recycle (maybe there is a safe solvent to dissolve the PU foam?).

insideevs.com

Tesla's 4680 Structural Battery Pack Teardown: Zero Repairability Reported

In a quick update, Munro Live reports the status of the eagerly anticipated teardown of the Made-in-Texas (MIT) Tesla Model Y's structural battery pack.
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GreyGhost said:
As expected, Tesla continues to try to be Apple. Munro reports the new 4680 battery pack is completely unrepairable. They don't say it but it likely also means that it is almost impossible to recycle (maybe there is a safe solvent to dissolve the PU foam?).
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Recycling plants don't want to nicely/cleanly disassemble things. They'll want to rip the whole battery pack out of the car with a giant claw and later on, pick it up with a crane and toss the whole thing into a shredder. Don't know how they'll stop it catching fire; that's probably part of the trickery with how to recycle these batteries. The tools for removing an engine from a Chevrolet are the same ones as for removing the engine from a Toyota. Rrrrrrip. Toss. They'll want to do the same with batteries.

There's a plant in Mississauga that recycles lead-acid batteries, and I've been in there. It's not pretty. They handle them in front-end-loader bucket-loads. Don't care about state-of-charge.

Tesla's previous battery packs have been glued together with terminals welded to the individual cells, too. You're not supposed to be able to access or replace individual cells. This situation is no different.
 
Brian P said:
Recycling plants don't want to nicely/cleanly disassemble things. They'll want to rip the whole battery pack out of the car with a giant claw and later on, pick it up with a crane and toss the whole thing into a shredder. Don't know how they'll stop it catching fire; that's probably part of the trickery with how to recycle these batteries. The tools for removing an engine from a Chevrolet are the same ones as for removing the engine from a Toyota. Rrrrrrip. Toss. They'll want to do the same with batteries.

There's a plant in Mississauga that recycles lead-acid batteries, and I've been in there. It's not pretty. They handle them in front-end-loader bucket-loads. Don't care about state-of-charge.

Tesla's previous battery packs have been glued together with terminals welded to the individual cells, too. You're not supposed to be able to access or replace individual cells. This situation is no different.
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Interesting, thanks. I didn't realize it was that violent. I would say fill the shredder chamber with inert gas before turning it on but IIRC, there are some oxidizing agents in there so it isn't that simple. Maybe they just assume it will burn for a bit and regulate battery flow to keep shredder temp under control.
 
$3 overnight charging at City of Toronto chargers seems very reasonable. Who burns less than $3 of gas a day?


toronto.citynews.ca

Unsafe chargers being installed across Toronto as electric vehicle boom continues

With the federal government targeting to have 50 per cent of new cars on the road be electric vehicles by 2030, concerns are being raised about a vast increase of unsafe and unlicensed chargers being installed.
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With the federal government targeting to have 50 per cent of new cars on the road be electric vehicles (EVs) by 2030, concerns are being raised about a vast increase of unsafe and unlicensed chargers being installed.

According to Statistics Canada, Canadians registered 86,000 new battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles in 2021 — accounting for about one in 20 new registrations, compared with about one in 30 new registrations in 2020 — and sales grew by almost 60 per cent last year.

The Electrical Safety Authority (ESA), which is tasked with inspecting any electrical installation in the province, is concerned about the trend of residents installing their own unlicensed, potentially unsafe, EV chargers.

However, a recent inspection blitz found several hundred instances of unsafe chargers being installed. Fraser said the blitz was started after realizing how few permits had been issued compared to the thousands of vehicles being registered.

In just one area of Toronto, they found over 400 unsafe working chargers without a permit in a 10-month period.

Currently, the City of Toronto is working on deploying publicly accessible electric vehicle charging stations as they start to see an uptick in these vehicles.

The City’s corporate charging network is expected to have 650 charge ports by the end of 2024, with 1,200 available by 2025 at 100 city locations, both at on-street parking spaces and in Green P parking lots.

The cost of using the machines will be $2 per hour during the day with a $3 flat rate overnight.
 
GreyGhost said:
$3 overnight charging at City of Toronto chargers seems very reasonable. Who burns less than $3 of gas a day?


toronto.citynews.ca

Unsafe chargers being installed across Toronto as electric vehicle boom continues

With the federal government targeting to have 50 per cent of new cars on the road be electric vehicles by 2030, concerns are being raised about a vast increase of unsafe and unlicensed chargers being installed.
toronto.citynews.ca toronto.citynews.ca

With the federal government targeting to have 50 per cent of new cars on the road be electric vehicles (EVs) by 2030, concerns are being raised about a vast increase of unsafe and unlicensed chargers being installed.

According to Statistics Canada, Canadians registered 86,000 new battery-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles in 2021 — accounting for about one in 20 new registrations, compared with about one in 30 new registrations in 2020 — and sales grew by almost 60 per cent last year.

The Electrical Safety Authority (ESA), which is tasked with inspecting any electrical installation in the province, is concerned about the trend of residents installing their own unlicensed, potentially unsafe, EV chargers.

However, a recent inspection blitz found several hundred instances of unsafe chargers being installed. Fraser said the blitz was started after realizing how few permits had been issued compared to the thousands of vehicles being registered.

In just one area of Toronto, they found over 400 unsafe working chargers without a permit in a 10-month period.

Currently, the City of Toronto is working on deploying publicly accessible electric vehicle charging stations as they start to see an uptick in these vehicles.

The City’s corporate charging network is expected to have 650 charge ports by the end of 2024, with 1,200 available by 2025 at 100 city locations, both at on-street parking spaces and in Green P parking lots.

The cost of using the machines will be $2 per hour during the day with a $3 flat rate overnight.
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I would love to see what they consider unsafe I bet it just means not inspected

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$3 overnight charging at City of Toronto chargers seems very reasonable. Who burns less than $3 of gas a day?
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I think it is like the Burlington Skywave toll...have the users pay until the infrastructure is paid for....then lower or remove the tarrif.
Seems to me that people pay the parking on their street ,...maybe that needs to be rolled into EV only slots
 
Brian P said:
Even among installations done by electricians, I bet plenty never went through all the paperwork to get it permitted and inspected.
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As long as home depot et all can sell electrical materials to the public I guarantee you there is a huge amount of work from everyone that doesn't get a permit and inspection

Esa should really outlaw this if they are truly concerned with electrical safety
 
It does look good but personally I'm looking forward to the Equinox EV in September.
 
On the home charging port and no inspection.... Well I am sure the powers that be are concerned about un-permitted installations from a monetary aspect, as notifications (permits) pays the bills--no doubt here. But many of these installations if DIY may break code and even licensed electrician installs.

Panel load, adding 40+ amp (the more + the worse) charging to 100 amp service will likely exceed service capacity calculations, now people may just only charge at night and have no overload problems but what about the next guy running dryer, AC, stove, etc. while charging? Near impossible to do a service upgrade without permits (notification) as there will be no connection authorization to the utility. This IMO is likely the most common problem.

Of course there are all hack DIYer stuff the others already mentioned like extending stove outlets, using extension cords improperly, surface runs without protection., etc.... Will these result in the house burning down, maybe, maybe not.

What would be interesting.... if they can manage to acquire a list of EV owners addresses (MOT), cross check against notifications (permits) and go out and take a look-see what is connected in the driveway.

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We went to 200A service once we bought this property, and all permits were achieved as Alectra needed to disconnect power for the day of the work. Then came back and we powered back up.
 
GreyGhost said:
Interesting, thanks. I didn't realize it was that violent. I would say fill the shredder chamber with inert gas before turning it on but IIRC, there are some oxidizing agents in there so it isn't that simple. Maybe they just assume it will burn for a bit and regulate battery flow to keep shredder temp under control.
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I bought the battery for my electric conversion from Langilles wreckers in port perry. The electric bus company that they were tearing batteries off of trained the staff on how to safely remove the batteries as one unit. the wreckers left the battery packs in a pile outside until DIYers like myself come and buy them to tear down to the modules or cell level. Lots of ebike, rv, trolling motor, home back-up, etc. diyers don't want to pay retail for large lithium batteries so they buy slightly depleted used and try their hand at battery pack building.
 
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