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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

A relevant digression to this topic .....
The advantages of hydrogen propulsion supersede that of EVs and ICEs.
BMW had manufactured a trial run of hydrogen powered cars and the engineers that had worked to develop the technology have tied up with another firm to take the idea to commercial level.
The initial focus is on bus fleets, as this bypasses the existing scarcity of hydrogen filling stations.

Read more about it here:

 
A relevant digression to this topic .....
The advantages of hydrogen propulsion supersede that of EVs and ICEs.
BMW had manufactured a trial run of hydrogen powered cars and the engineers that had worked to develop the technology have tied up with another firm to take the idea to commercial level.
The initial focus is on bus fleets, as this bypasses the existing scarcity of hydrogen filling stations.

Read more about it here:

I still maintain that hydrogen is a game that will never be commercially viable (too much energy required to create a tank of compressed hydrogen for one thing) but busses or a taxi fleet are an infinitely better use case than public vehicles. As you said, one fueling station can conveniently keep the whole fleet going.
 
A relevant digression to this topic .....
The advantages of hydrogen propulsion supersede that of EVs and ICEs.
BMW had manufactured a trial run of hydrogen powered cars and the engineers that had worked to develop the technology have tied up with another firm to take the idea to commercial level.
The initial focus is on bus fleets, as this bypasses the existing scarcity of hydrogen filling stations.

Read more about it here:


careful.... lots of anti hydrogen on this thread, sort of like Tesla haters. Can't admit a good thing.

Hydrogen is quietly gaining traction. Not around here, Europe and China. We'll catch on sooner or later.
 
Getting your one high voltage line to the first step down transformer could easily be six figures.

To be fair, six figures for a condo is probably the equivalent of $1000 to you and me.

Will condos *want* to spend the money? In the interest of “maximum profits”, perhaps not. If they have a pro EV owner, perhaps yes. But can they afford it in the grand scheme? Yeah.

Smaller apartments and such many need to have some grants or something they could apply for to get it done - let’s all remember big oil is still subsidized by our governments, perhaps it’s time to start shifting that money and those jobs to the “new green based economy” we keep hearing is on the horizon.
 
I recently had to find a new place to move to and having a Motorcycle, and a car that I would like to plug in to charge made finding a place to rent quite a PITA.

The few places I checked that had underground parking didn't allow plugging in, and wanted me to rent a second parking spot for the bike. Couldn't find any affordable stacked condo/townhomes with separate garages (like I currently lease), so I'm ending up in a Basement apartment with a homeowner who is fine with me taking up half of their 2 car garage with my Volt and my VFR.

In conclusion, as a renter, having a bike and a plug in car makes things extra difficult. Almost made me consider getting rid of both
 
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I agree home charging is what makes a ev practical. Without home charging I wouldn't own one personally.

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Likewise. If i couldn’t charge at home, I’m not the type to be chasing a free / available charger.

It would make the EV a non starter for me.

Im currently still charging on L1 at home because I drive so little I don’t need the L2. But will install it once I figure out where to locate the charger.

It’s a VOLTEC unit with the stupid coiled cord. I want it in the garage but it’s such a pain in the ass running it under the garage door and trying to make sure the coil is the right way. Might install it outside, although security is the only concern I have with that option.
 
Likewise. If i couldn’t charge at home, I’m not the type to be chasing a free / available charger.

It would make the EV a non starter for me.

Im currently still charging on L1 at home because I drive so little I don’t need the L2. But will install it once I figure out where to locate the charger.

It’s a VOLTEC unit with the stupid coiled cord. I want it in the garage but it’s such a pain in the ass running it under the garage door and trying to make sure the coil is the right way. Might install it outside, although security is the only concern I have with that option.
Can probably install in a lockable ventilated enclosure. Hides what is there and protects you from theft of power and the charger. Alternatively, core drill to make a pass through for the cable and put a hood over it to keep water away. Not great for garage insulation though.
 
Likewise. If i couldn’t charge at home, I’m not the type to be chasing a free / available charger.

It would make the EV a non starter for me.

Im currently still charging on L1 at home because I drive so little I don’t need the L2. But will install it once I figure out where to locate the charger.

It’s a VOLTEC unit with the stupid coiled cord. I want it in the garage but it’s such a pain in the ass running it under the garage door and trying to make sure the coil is the right way. Might install it outside, although security is the only concern I have with that option.
if you need to consult a master electrician PM me; one of my good friends is one, has his own insured company and this was his bread and butter pre covid.
 
Im currently still charging on L1 at home because I drive so little I don’t need the L2. But will install it once I figure out where to locate the charger.

It’s a VOLTEC unit with the stupid coiled cord. I want it in the garage but it’s such a pain in the ass running it under the garage door and trying to make sure the coil is the right way. Might install it outside, although security is the only concern I have with that option.
Do you have the option of running a proper 220v extension cord to your basement dryer?

That's what I have. It's plugged into a "dryer buddy" that is then plugged into the wall. The dryer also plugs into the dryer buddy (looks like post #3 here but without the LCD screen so cheaper option: Dryer Buddy?)

The extension cord I ran next to the central vacuum where it enters the basement from the garage and ran it through the ceiling joists (unfinished basement btw).
 
Do you have the option of running a proper 220v extension cord to your basement dryer?

That's what I have. It's plugged into a "dryer buddy" that is then plugged into the wall. The dryer also plugs into the dryer buddy (looks like post #3 here but without the LCD screen so cheaper option: Dryer Buddy?)

The extension cord I ran next to the central vacuum where it enters the basement from the garage and ran it through the ceiling joists (unfinished basement btw).

Extension cords are meant for temporary means and not permanently connected. Also, (my code book is at the office) so I am going from memory here, with "flexible cord", you may have to size up your wire. I hope your "extension cord" is minimum #8 awg size.

you may not like your insurance company if something were to happen.
 
Extension cords are meant for temporary means and not permanently connected. Also, (my code book is at the office) so I am going from memory here, with "flexible cord", you may have to size up your wire. I hope your "extension cord" is minimum #8 awg size.

you may not like your insurance company if something were to happen.
I was thinking the existing wiring may also be undersize as you are now asking for power at a much longer distance. Maybe not, but I would definitely be checking.
 
I was thinking the existing wiring may also be undersize as you are now asking for power at a much longer distance. Maybe not, but I would definitely be checking.

This is true as well, esp with an undersized wire. I'd keep a fire extinguisher handy.
 
It was from a place in the USA and specifically rated for EV charging. It's heavy, I'll tell you that. Been 4 or 5 years now working aok. 14.7mm thick. My electrician apprentice son said it's 10 guage.
 
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Thanks guys will look at some options. Won’t be doing an extension from dryer simply because it needs to cross the entire house and I’m not running that cable again, plus the panel is in the garage 10ft from where the car is parked.

The enclosure is the most likely option. The VOLTEC unit states it’s good to -40C so it may be an option.

Alternatively was thinking of a simple bracket/brace that would hold the cable in the proper orientation at the bottom. I’d prefer a charger with a straight cable, instead of coiled as that’s the simplest option.
 
Thanks guys will look at some options. Won’t be doing an extension from dryer simply because it needs to cross the entire house and I’m not running that cable again, plus the panel is in the garage 10ft from where the car is parked.

The enclosure is the most likely option. The VOLTEC unit states it’s good to -40C so it may be an option.

Alternatively was thinking of a simple bracket/brace that would hold the cable in the proper orientation at the bottom. I’d prefer a charger with a straight cable, instead of coiled as that’s the simplest option.
Any thoughts about using something like the Juicebox?
 
To be fair, six figures for a condo is probably the equivalent of $1000 to you and me.

Will condos *want* to spend the money? In the interest of “maximum profits”, perhaps not. If they have a pro EV owner, perhaps yes. But can they afford it in the grand scheme? Yeah.

Smaller apartments and such many need to have some grants or something they could apply for to get it done - let’s all remember big oil is still subsidized by our governments, perhaps it’s time to start shifting that money and those jobs to the “new green based economy” we keep hearing is on the horizon.
The price comment from @GreyGhost could be low.

A friend is a site supervisor for one of the bigger condo electrical contractors and to be honest, they are not building for an EV world. With the new condos they put in a few charging stations on one level. I don't know how they are distributed.

Does a buyer pay extra for an EV spot and sell it for a premium when he moves? Does the new buyer need the power? Another complexity of life.

Going forward with this post, put your mind into the cynical realization of how Covid has shown the prevalence of greedy and self centered attitudes in the world of today. People ignore a life destroying pandemic. Why would we think they'll be nice with sharing power outlets?

A condo is different than a rental building. Once the developer has sold the building units he's made his profit and doesn't care about the future maintenance costs or viability of the structure. The cost of outlets everywhere is cheapest when they are put in at the building stage. It still wont be cheap thus making the building less competitive in an ICE dominated world. The developers, like most businesses, are interested in profit today, not 20 years down the road.

Even the unit buyers could be tight with the money. If the unit is a rental all the owner cares about is minimum cost and maximum profit.

How many people will pay more for an EV love nest building?

With Toronto prices, people are looking to getting into the biggest piece of floor space they can get. Paying an extra $20,000 for an EV spot that they won't use because they can't afford the $10,000 premium for the EV, does not work for those that can't afford to be energy angels.

A developer told me that people were trying to shave down the price of houses by using delete options, silly minimal baseboards in high end homes, just to get in the door. They can upgrade the trim and flooring later.

I've overheard money spats in Vaughan mansions over a set of Walmart curtains for a spare bedroom.

Retrofitting existing buildings isn't crazy. It's a drug induced nightmare.

Large amounts of power need high voltage to minimize voltage drop unless you use conductors the size of railroad tracks. Even if the nearby transformer station had the capacity, the feeds to a building would have to be upgraded. The building main transformer would need to be larger which could mean an enlargement of the transformer vault which could mean losing a parking spot or two.

Then who pays for the power? Unless it has changed in the last few years the condo corporation would need a utilities licence to resell power. If that is an issue the options are having the power costs become part of the maintenance fees. The power could also come from the individual unit meters but might overload them.

One property manager told me that power consumption in buildings with individual meters was 30% lower then where the power was part of the maintenance fee.

True, big oil gets subsidies and some might argue that green should get a kick at the cat. If you want to go down that road just re-elect Katherine Wynne. How'd that work out last time?

It worked in XXXland.

It's easy to say something worked in Europe but that ignores some basic differences with the New World , North and South America. The most obvious is distances. People drive distances to work here that would be a cross country journey in some European countries.

More importantly there are cultural differences. You can't turn the 401 into an Autobahn until you retrain all of the drivers, particularly in lane discipline. You would also have to up vehicle safety standards.

I haven't looked at the other factors but I can't help but feel that there are fewer extremes in many European countries, not having the extremes of incomes and education. These tend to condition people to socialistic systems and for EV platforms to work in the foreseeable future, we need to be socialistic.
 

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