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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Ya’ll gonna make me go outside and start yelling at the clouds again. 😜

Anyhow, yeah, I get it. I’m a realistic as well There’s roadblocks. But they can be managed and surmounted with time and money.

Most EV owners are not looking for a free ride, just fair pricing. I refuse to use chargers that I know are price gouging - sorry, I’m not paying $1 for 1kwh of electricity. But reasonably priced fast chargers are already busy places.

Again, I go back to the reality that we’re not going to be driving dinosaur powered vehicles around forever, but these buildings will be around for many decades /centuries beyond this current era.

The polar shift that could totally negate the need for home/apartment/condo charging however is an energy storage technology breakthrough. If If in 50 years every old gas station location is now a charging station instead for vehicles that can charge in 90 seconds to 500-1000km, well, suddenly, nobody needs at home charging anymore.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Ya’ll gonna make me go outside and start yelling at the clouds again. 😜

Anyhow, yeah, I get it. I’m a realistic as well There’s roadblocks. But they can be managed and surmounted with time and money.

Most EV owners are not looking for a free ride, just fair pricing. I refuse to use chargers that I know are price gouging - sorry, I’m not paying $1 for 1kwh of electricity. But reasonably priced fast chargers are already busy places.

Again, I go back to the reality that we’re not going to be driving dinosaur powered vehicles around forever, but these buildings will be around for many decades /centuries beyond this current era.

The polar shift that could totally negate the need for home/apartment/condo charging however is an energy storage technology breakthrough. If If in 50 years every old gas station location is now a charging station instead for vehicles that can charge in 90 seconds to 500-1000km, well, suddenly, nobody needs at home charging anymore.
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Is $1/kwh gouging? Assuming daytime, they could be paying close to $0.20/kwh for incoming power (maybe more if they are getting hit with commercial rates). They need to provide a parking space, lights, charger, credit card fees, maintenance, snow clearing and connect it to power. Also some profit. I wouldnt like it but I wouldnt be surprised if something close to that was the commercially viable price.
 
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PrivatePilot said:
They should be. These buildings will still be around in a century. Does anyone *seriously* think that in 50-100 years we’ll still all be driving vehicles fuelled by dinosaurs?

In short, it’s a short sighted view on behalf of the
that just kicks the can down the road. Needing to retrofit IS inevitable.


There used to be grants available for employers to use to cover almost the costs of installing chargers. We were in the process of getting my wife’s old employer to utilize them for her first Volt before she changed jobs.

I suspect there’s still something available



Power is pretty plentiful in this province despite the views to the otherwise, and I struggle to believe that the Toronto is somehow short of power. Yeah, the last few hundred feet may be the biggest hurdle, but again, I don’t buy the arguments that it can’t be done.

Ask an electrical company that doesn’t “get” EV’s or whatever and I’m sure all they’ll see is hurdles, inconveniences, and dollar signs.

Ask Tesla and I’m sure you’d get a response that they can make it happen inside 30-60 days. And they would get it done. They’ve shown time and tile again that there’s no hurdle they’re scared of, to their credit. They just get **** done

It seems to be the viewpoints of the people looking at the job that matters most - the typical glass half full versus glass half empty argument. With some defeatist as the cherry on top for this who think it can’t be done.
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What makes anyone think that all those condos will be around in 100 years?

There is a legal problem with condos in that they are not-for-profit corporations but if that can be dealt with there are a good number of them that could be sold, demolished and higher density properties built.

True, the ICE forever attitude is short sighted but not everyone has an extra $10 K for an EV equivalent to an ICE. A far sighted government can come up with billions of dollars for EV purchase grants and retrofit grants but those are taxpayer dollars.

At some point in time we will have to face the fact that every time the government takes a bit more of our cash it also destroys another bit of our free enterprise system.

An older condo is often a good choice for someone wanting to get into the Toronto housing market. Tell them their purchase price is going up ten or twenty thousand dollars because they get the option of plugging in an EV whether they can afford an EV or not. Tell them their maintenance fees are going up to feed their neighbour's car.

If you really want to rub salt in the wound tell the guy that can't afford new tires for his 10 year old caravan that he's subsidizing the charger for a $120,000 Tesla S.

If you are looking at long term solutions we will run out of money for food if we keep buying expensive bandages in the way of grants and subsidies.

If a rider is pro EV do they ride an electric motorcycle?

Saying the last few hundred feet is a hurdle is an understatement.

Technology is often its own enemy. You buy the latest smart phone and a week later someone releases a smarter one. Do you spend billions in EV promotions and 10 years later someone comes up with a more efficient fuel cell or hydrogen generation?

All it takes is one break-through device and everything before is obsolete. Look what the transistor did to electronics in five years.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Most EV owners are not looking for a free ride, just fair pricing. I refuse to use chargers that I know are price gouging - sorry, I’m not paying $1 for 1kwh of electricity. But reasonably priced fast chargers are already busy places.
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yes they are, they are the cheapest people I've come across.

its the same with wi-fi. everybody "expects" it for free, and freak out when they get charged.
 
nobbie48 said:
All it takes is one break-through device and everything before is obsolete. Look what the transistor did to electronics in five years.
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Paradigm Shift!
 
GreyGhost said:
Is $1/kwh gouging? Assuming daytime, they could be paying close to $0.20/kwh for incoming power (maybe more if they are getting hit with commercial rates). They need to provide a parking space, lights, charger, credit card fees, maintenance, snow clearing and connect it to power. Also some profit. I wouldnt like it but I wouldnt be surprised if something close to that was the commercially viable price.
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I typo’d that and meant to post $2/kwh.

My wife’s Ioniq takes about 27kwh from full dead to go about 200km, +\- 25km depending on factors. At $54 (plus often a few dollars service fee on top of that), would you that for 200km? That’s pickup truck pulling a big trailer territory.

I’ve seen it even worse at some time based fast chargers that assume everyone chargers at the 100kw (or whatever high rate the charger is capable of) even when someone with a vehicle that can potentially only charge at half that rate (or starts to feather it’s rate early) uses it. But it still hammers you for the full rate.

nobbie48 said:
What makes anyone think that all those condos will be around in 100 years?
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Do you think they’ll just knock them down at some point? Reality is lots of people live in apartments today that are older than many of us here and are still in good repair, perfectly functional, and in many cases, updated.

Yes, there’s shitholes as well, but I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that apartments that sell for $1 million or more currently not going to become festering **** holes inside 50 years to the point where a knockdown becomes the solution.

nobbie48 said:
True, the ICE forever attitude is short sighted but not everyone has an extra $10 K for an EV equivalent
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That’ll change once we reach the tipping point. Look at standard transmissions versus automatic transmissions for one example - an automatic transmission used to be a additional cost option. But for a period of time (before they were mostly phased out), on many vehicles the automatic became the default and the standard transmission became a extra cost option. A tipping point of economics was reached. The same will happen with the EV vs ICE situation once energy storage becomes cheaper than the costs involved in making an ICE and all its ancillary systems etc.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Do you think they’ll just knock them down at some point? Reality is lots of people live in apartments today that are older than many of us here and are still in good repair, perfectly functional, and in many cases, updated.

Yes, there’s shitholes as well, but I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that apartments that sell for $1 million or more currently not going to become festering **** holes inside 50 years to the point where a knockdown becomes the solution.
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End of Life for condo buildings is a very interesting discussion on its own. I haven't seen a lawyers take on it, but presumably if the board finds a buyer and 50%+1 owners decide to pull the plug, the other 49% get a cheque and a kick in the butt. For many reasons (mostly related to logistics and money) I doubt that buildings over 20 storeys will have to deal with this (unless they have unsolvable water infiltration or structural issues over time). Six or less storeys this could easily happen especially as many buildings have owners with multiple units. You could conceivably have a handful of owners decide the building is to be torn down and redeveloped. I wouldn't be surprised if there started to become active hostile takeovers where developers start buying units in certain buildings to get control. Obviously way off topic for this thread but very interesting nonetheless.
 
nobbie48 said:
True, the ICE forever attitude is short sighted but not everyone has an extra $10 K for an EV equivalent to an ICE. A far sighted government can come up with billions of dollars for EV purchase grants and retrofit grants but those are taxpayer dollars.
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Here’s an idea. Don’t buy a million dollar home and you’d have plenty of money to get an EV.
 
If the buildings are reasonably well built (some are some are NOT) and maintained there is no physical reason they will not reach 100+ years old. Plenty of large buildings around the world (even here) are much older than that today. Factoring money in (redevelopment) is another game but is more complicated in many ways (some less) than buying a group of 80 year old small buildings or houses and redeveloping.
 
^. Exactly my thoughts, hence why I think it’s incredibly shortsighted that developers aren’t putting any thought into future proofing.

but as is typical, maximum profits are coming before all else.
 
PrivatePilot said:
but as is typical, maximum profits are coming before all else.
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At all levels. If Toronto Hydro allocated each new tower an additional 500kW+ for EV charging, they wouldn't have the infrastructure to support redevelopment at the current pace. The developers are all used to allocation (normally water+sewer) that slows down many GTA developments by five plus years as they wait for their turn. You could do the same thing with power in Toronto but the city wants their DC's asap.
 
mimico_polak said:
I still remember a guy I went to high school with….
‘Nice hat’
‘Thanks it was less than $20’
‘Cool how much?’
‘19.99’
‘Uhm…….cool congrats!’
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more like $22.59
still hate how tax is never included in NA.
someone needs to open stores that have prices with tax and at easy numbers to calculate. $25, $50, $30 items at 75% off, etc.
I'd shop there always instead of other places.
 
Filtered for houses that cost less than $1M

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Filtered for houses over $1M

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Just a quick search on realtor.ca listings. Of course listing price is not selling price and the data may be polluted a bit by misclassified listings (condo listed as a house etc.)....
 
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