wsj takes trump to task
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Are you focused solely on HC for this or do you look at the whole of US foreign policy and machinations over the last, say, half-century with as critical an eye?
Where do you stand on Henry Kissinger for everything from the coup in Chile to crimes against the people of Laos and Cambodia and Vietnam?
Where do you stand on Ronald Reagan for arming Afghan jihadists in the 1980s?
Where do you stand on Oliver North selling weapons to Iran to finance rebels in Nicaragua?
Where do you stand on Dick Cheney and the rest of the PNAC group attempting to strong-arm BC to "take out" Saddam Hussein in the 1990s?
Where do you stand on the PNAC-heavy Bush regime that, once in power, leveraged 9/11 to carry out the act -- the illegal and unwarranted that truly set the Mideast on its current fiery trajectory?
The reality is that most federal government agencies, from the NSA and CIA to the State Department, have tendrils everywhere and take actions behind the scenes that are likely illegal in someone's lawbooks, even their own.
If you're holding every regime for the last 50 years to an equal standard, fine.
If not, why focus only on HC and ignore all the other **** that's gone down?
All of the above are equally terrible, and the fact that Kissinger has endorsed Clinton is, well.. yeah.
I think you need to re-read the first post where I made it pretty clear there is no partisanship.. my comment was in response to someone asking why the "Is this really the best two people America can come up with" question is constantly repeated, and the pro-clinton comment that followed. She's equally terrible, don't kid yourselves.
As far as people constantly bringing up past administrations and the middle east, at what point does the current administration have to answer for it's role in the ever increasing scope of said fiery-trajectory? Never mind the middle east, how many times did HC bring up Russia Sunday? New frontiers for the world police?
Given Russia's actions of late involving Turkey, Ukraine and Syria and, more recently relocating nuclear-capable missiles to the borders of Poland and Lithuania and possible participation in trying to affect the outcome of the US election, I'm glad at least one of the POTUS candidates is cognizant of the aggression. Contrast to Trump summing up his policy toward Russia: Putin is a "strong leader" and "I know nothing about Russia."
It's almost as bad as Palin mentioning she had diplomatic cred because Russia's "our next-door neighbors."
Anyway, it sounds a little naive to go after American politicians for **** like Iran/Contra or the Iraq War or Benghazi screaming war crimes for every instance. This behavior is as American as apple pie and it's equally naive to think -- if you do -- that other nations aren't doing exactly the same stuff in their own interests. The alternative, the absolute no-nothing Trump, is way more dangerous. I'd rather have government departments working all sorts of covert, black-on-black voodoo behind the scenes to take out a guy like Kim Jong-un than to have the "politically refreshing" Trump abandon South Korea because they won't pay the US more money.
Do you truly feel Russia is the aggressor? What would America do if Russian interest kicked off civil war in central America? Maybe move nuclear arsanals into place, send in troops, call out the Russians for their role in the region. Try and take a view of the above conflicts from the other sides point of view. Are they to just sit back while the US runs amuck on their boarders/allies?
yodude
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sounds like the "deplorable irredeemable" junk
Facepalm all you wish, what I posted was to directly discredit the non-factual statement you posted.
Trying to change the topic when your misinformation is handed back to you? Curious, that's a Trump tactic.
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Yes, I heard that recently. I heard him saying big LEAGUE but he needs enunciate as he claims he knows many many many words in English.
I still think he should stick with BIGGLY...lol it's funny.
country is going to hell...BIGGLY
country is doing great...BIGGLY
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Sorry BernieBros but I don't believe for a second that he was capable of being the next POTUS.
America has spent a century being the COMPOSED schoolyard bully and can't have a "let's play nice" leader in charge.
Trump is an ego maniac, plain and simple. For those who love him so much, just book yourself a one way ticket to Russia or another Dictatorship driven country.
Hillary is pure evil, but that's exactly what the USA needs to keep driving forward the machine that it is.
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America has spent a century being the COMPOSED schoolyard bully and can't have a "let's play nice" leader in charge.
Trump is an ego maniac, plain and simple. For those who love him so much, just book yourself a one way ticket to Russia or another Dictatorship driven country.
Hillary is pure evil, but that's exactly what the USA needs to keep driving forward the machine that it is.
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It's funny because it takes 2 men regardless, so he can't do it on his own. It's also funny because it's the single most irrelevant thing to the presidency. Economic, domestic, and foreign policies, the ACTUAL important factors in the election, all require congressional and senate approval to get anything done.
But yeah. Nukes, man. /palm /face
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Carter was a nice guy but won't go down in history as remarkable.
I think you need to go re-read my reply.
But hey, no biggie..it's just a proven hothead whackjob known for making rash irresponsible decisions without thought to their consequences being one step away from having the worlds largest nuclear arsenal under his complete control.
Nothing major.
Glad you understand .
You are lucky as it doesn't impact you directly. I have to live with this decision.
IMHO, Trump is the lesser of 2 evils. He may come out with a bunch dumb statements but he will never be able to push anything through as the House will not work with him, everything will be vetoed, thus in the next 4 years there will be no major policy changes implemented.
Clinton is morally corrupt, but will get traction in the house. The other problem is that she will probably die in office and Kaine then becomes President. He has the IQ of a 10lb bag of nails
I question how it got this far. 300m people and those are the 2 best they could find? Still, Look at Canada. It came down to Trudeau and Harper, when there was a much better alternative, Mulcair. There is an old saying, "Democracy is OK but you don't want to give it to everyone"
IMHO, Trump is the lesser of 2 evils. He may come out with a bunch dumb statements but he will never be able to push anything through as the House will not work with him, everything will be vetoed, thus in the next 4 years there will be no major policy changes implemented.
Clinton is morally corrupt, but will get traction in the house. The other problem is that she will probably die in office and Kaine then becomes President. He has the IQ of a 10lb bag of nails
I question how it got this far. 300m people and those are the 2 best they could find? Still, Look at Canada. It came down to Trudeau and Harper, when there was a much better alternative, Mulcair. There is an old saying, "Democracy is OK but you don't want to give it to everyone"
The price of morality?
http://time.com/4529433/inside-donald-trump-total-meltdown/
My favourite joke is the one where the office jerk keeps making passes at the office bimbo and getting rejected.
One day he comes in doing the happy dance and waving a winning lottery ticket. When he sees the bimbo looking receptive he offers to split the winnings with her if they have a dirty weekend together and she agrees.
Then he tells her the ticket is a winner but only for $50 so her share is $25. She blasts him saying "What do you think I am?"
He replies "We've established what you are. We're just negotiating price."
The USA may have to face what it has become.
There's also a bunch of military persons in between the president and the buttons. President can issue any order he wants... but people need to follow that order for it to happen.
Ha Ha... Wasn't it Churchill who said that "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter"
It literally is a mess. I work with an Old Hippy from Santa Cruz and he said he would prefer Nixon that Trump or Clinton. I almost fell out of my chair
Trump is a tool but what you see is what you get. Is locker room talk about trying - and failing - to pick up a woman much worse than getting a blow job in the oval office. Is tax avoidance worse that running a shady non profit with questionable donations? Neither of them are fit for office.
In a bizarre way I can relate to Trump better than Clinton though. We're all tried to pick up women (and failed). We all do want we can to avoid taxes, I have a really good accountant. Its human nature, sex and greed... LOL
