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Why we need a minimum wage hike......
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strictlye
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By increasing minimum wage, I think you may be speeding up the rate of inflation because higher costs to businesses and employers will mean the prices of goods and services will have to be increased to be able to offset the higher employment costs.
I'm am both a skilled worker and a minimum wage worker as I have 2 jobs. I find minimum wage absolutely ridiculous. I think these jobs should be primarily reserved for students and non skilled workers. Minimum wage wasn't created for someone to support a family on so why are they making it the primary argument.
Why don't you cap the amount that can be charged for rent? or how much public transportation can cost? I wish I got a raise at the rates the unskilled workforce received minimum wage increases. What incentive does anyone have to go to school to get a good job if they know they can be the "door guy" and a restaurant or establishment and make $11/hr and gov't is pushing for $14? I remember working for $6.40/hr and being thankful of having a job. By raising the minimum wage you are forcing more jobs offshore as companies look to reduced costs by using skilled labor in other countries because unskilled local labour is too expensive.
I'm am both a skilled worker and a minimum wage worker as I have 2 jobs. I find minimum wage absolutely ridiculous. I think these jobs should be primarily reserved for students and non skilled workers. Minimum wage wasn't created for someone to support a family on so why are they making it the primary argument.
Why don't you cap the amount that can be charged for rent? or how much public transportation can cost? I wish I got a raise at the rates the unskilled workforce received minimum wage increases. What incentive does anyone have to go to school to get a good job if they know they can be the "door guy" and a restaurant or establishment and make $11/hr and gov't is pushing for $14? I remember working for $6.40/hr and being thankful of having a job. By raising the minimum wage you are forcing more jobs offshore as companies look to reduced costs by using skilled labor in other countries because unskilled local labour is too expensive.
booter22
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i dont think we need it. def not $14 an hour. get way to many iditios thinking they are making money now and too many companys that wont hire people as they cant afford it. its all reletive. when min wage goes up. so does a big mac combo and everything else. so you dont really make more money. a company will now need to charge more to offset these costs and pay the extra per hour for these people
I didn't read the whole thread but I just wanted to point out that it's really expensive to live in the GTA.
If we aren't lucky enough to be a shiny lawyer or doctor or something, well then, look at rents on apartments alone. Not even to buy real estate, even a condo, that never happens and is only for people who have delusions of being uppity.
Took a quick look at Kijiji for bachelor for rent. Range seemed to be $1000-1500.
If you're in "service" that's pretty much your entire paycheck at minimum wage.
Still need to eat, buy shoes, etc.
Make no mistake about it, people who work service jobs earning minimum while the CEOs of the corporations make multi-millions are nothing more than indentured serfs forever trapped in a cycle of crippling poverty and debt while the rich get richer.
Check out that Ian Troop guy. He was fired as Toronto Pan-Am CEO after what, a couple months? His golden parachute for getting fired was $536,000.00
Imho, people who argue against bettering the lot of society's most vulnerable are supporters of old-boy networks like the one that Ian Troop guy belongs to.
If we aren't lucky enough to be a shiny lawyer or doctor or something, well then, look at rents on apartments alone. Not even to buy real estate, even a condo, that never happens and is only for people who have delusions of being uppity.
Took a quick look at Kijiji for bachelor for rent. Range seemed to be $1000-1500.
If you're in "service" that's pretty much your entire paycheck at minimum wage.
Still need to eat, buy shoes, etc.
Make no mistake about it, people who work service jobs earning minimum while the CEOs of the corporations make multi-millions are nothing more than indentured serfs forever trapped in a cycle of crippling poverty and debt while the rich get richer.
Check out that Ian Troop guy. He was fired as Toronto Pan-Am CEO after what, a couple months? His golden parachute for getting fired was $536,000.00
Imho, people who argue against bettering the lot of society's most vulnerable are supporters of old-boy networks like the one that Ian Troop guy belongs to.
You know a country's out of whack when you have to import foreigner workers to pick the food you eat. Think about that. And food is not cheap. I don't know about everybody else but I'm paying boutique prices at the big grocery store. Somebody's getting rich. It ain't the guy/gal working the rubber belt.
Yes. When they had the meat scare several years ago, Alberta farmers had to sell their meat at pennies on the pound which was then shipped into Ontario and sold at the same price it always was.
The price savings were NOT passed on to the consumer. The rich got richer, the Alberta farmers got poorer so did the people who had to continue paying the full price due to the corporate control over shipping and distribution.
A cartel in other words.
The price savings were NOT passed on to the consumer. The rich got richer, the Alberta farmers got poorer so did the people who had to continue paying the full price due to the corporate control over shipping and distribution.
A cartel in other words.
The Kevin O'Learys of the world call that capitalism. Him and his ilk make me sick. Honestly, I don't understand why guys like that don't get shot in the street. I'm not about to do it so I guess I understand it a little bit. But geez Louise..........
In our system, raising the minimum wage, in the long run, actually ****s everyone over except the rich (ie. 90%~ of the population).
Raising the minimum wage would first cause dumb managers (almost all retail and restaurant managers are not very bright) to start cutting hours and firing people. This will equalize itself and reach equilibrium due to demand (it's not like the folks making $45,000 or more a year are going to stop buying stuff and eating because of a min wage increase). Managers will hire again. These min wage workers will have more money. More money = buying unnecessary **** (like motorcycles <_<). Prices will go up and ultimately affect housing prices (this is the only price I give two ***** about). Prices go up = new min wage = old min wage.
I know the above is oversimplified but our system is broken. You cannot fix it by injecting more money into the system or by moving the bottom up because it will just equalize itself. This is why communism looks so good on paper (communism is utter **** in reality due to human management). The only way is to hit the folks in the top 10% but because of how much influence and wealth they have this is impossible. It is an endless cycle.
Long story short: in our system we need the poor. Without the poor, the bracket for "poor" only moves up until it affects us. And also, there are many "poor" folk I know that put themselves there in the first place as a poster previous mentioned. I'm thankful for these people, for without them I probably wouldn't be riding.
Raising the minimum wage would first cause dumb managers (almost all retail and restaurant managers are not very bright) to start cutting hours and firing people. This will equalize itself and reach equilibrium due to demand (it's not like the folks making $45,000 or more a year are going to stop buying stuff and eating because of a min wage increase). Managers will hire again. These min wage workers will have more money. More money = buying unnecessary **** (like motorcycles <_<). Prices will go up and ultimately affect housing prices (this is the only price I give two ***** about). Prices go up = new min wage = old min wage.
I know the above is oversimplified but our system is broken. You cannot fix it by injecting more money into the system or by moving the bottom up because it will just equalize itself. This is why communism looks so good on paper (communism is utter **** in reality due to human management). The only way is to hit the folks in the top 10% but because of how much influence and wealth they have this is impossible. It is an endless cycle.
Long story short: in our system we need the poor. Without the poor, the bracket for "poor" only moves up until it affects us. And also, there are many "poor" folk I know that put themselves there in the first place as a poster previous mentioned. I'm thankful for these people, for without them I probably wouldn't be riding.
If they didnt would min wage ever go up?
People making minimum wage can barely buy Kraft Dinner, in the GTA.
I agree the minimum wage should go up, but it should go up gradually such as 25cents a year until it's 11$. Going straight to $11 is going to make a shock. My labour costs are $175k a year and that's going to jump to $220k with this hike... How do I absorb it? Raise prices, cut shifts and hours. I wanted to hire more, guess what... it's not happening anymore.
A lot of small businesses that employ minimum wage employees are raising prices over next few months.
I've heard a lot of people hiring people and paying them $4-$8 cash. That's going to happen even more now.
A lot of small businesses that employ minimum wage employees are raising prices over next few months.
I've heard a lot of people hiring people and paying them $4-$8 cash. That's going to happen even more now.
I have a better idea. Instead of tying the pay of CEOs to how high the stock price is, how about just paying them a salary for performance like how it used to be?
This is a big part of what killed Nortel. They were trying to get extra bonuses if they would only get the magical stock price just a bit higher. Time to cook the books at Nortel.
CEO pay based on stock price is only something that has been around since the 1970s.
The CEO of my company is paid somewhere like 12-15 million a year. I'm sure he works very hard on the golf course for it.
This is a big part of what killed Nortel. They were trying to get extra bonuses if they would only get the magical stock price just a bit higher. Time to cook the books at Nortel.
CEO pay based on stock price is only something that has been around since the 1970s.
The CEO of my company is paid somewhere like 12-15 million a year. I'm sure he works very hard on the golf course for it.
My Christmas bonus was $2000 before tax. I'm sure the CEO's bonus was in the millions. Food still costs the same for him as me. He could pay the minimum wage hike out of his bonus and still have millions left to play with.
People need to live too, it's ok if the CEO gets a smaller multi-million bonus as a result.
It's society destroying to take away people's ability to live. People used to be able to grow their own food. Now everyone is herded into cities, told to pay rent, and food production is controlled by corporations.
People need to live too, it's ok if the CEO gets a smaller multi-million bonus as a result.
It's society destroying to take away people's ability to live. People used to be able to grow their own food. Now everyone is herded into cities, told to pay rent, and food production is controlled by corporations.
I agree but the majority of the businesses in this country and small businesses. They have the most employees, greatest risk of investment and on call to work 24/7. They aren't millionaires. They usually price their products or services based on percentage cost of labour and cost of goods. Once labour goes up they have to increase prices. It's hard to absorb a 75 cent increase. If it was gradual then it would be easier.
Majority of the big corporations don't start their employees at minimum wage fyi. They usually are usually around $11 already. Small businesses that don't require skilled labour usually start at minimum wage like restaurants.
How does 175 become 220 with a 7 percent increase? Just wondering the math seems way off mine comes up with approx 188000 using your numbers.
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Red_Liner740
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Supply and demand.
Here's an example. I worked as a ground handler at Pearson for $8.25. A year and a half in, Jetsgo, who we were serving, decided to open their own ground handling company and pay starting hourly rate of $10. Mass exodus of workers from my and other ground handling companies started to flock to Jetsgo. To stem the tide, our company raised starting wage to $10. That ****** the **** out of me, as me, with 1.5 years in, who just got to $10 was now making the same as a fresh newbie. The company had to do it.
The market self regulates. Minimum wage is 9.95 in Alberta. You will not find anyone making even close to min wage in Alberta. Burger flippers, 15 an hour, Tim Horton worker? $18. When i was in Calgary for work, HIRING signs were everywhere, Their newspapers FILLED with "looking for workers, no experience needed, training paid etc etc" If you offered someone minimum wage, you'd have no-one showing up for work.
Here's the gist. Federal, Provincial and Local government jobs is to create jobs, not menial jobs, but industrial, construction, science, you name it jobs that require skilled labor. Ontario has performed a Seppuku to our manufacturing sector and then force fed us "green energy" that we're gonna be bitter about for years to come. Ontario went from a have to a have not province. A province that has gone from contributing to the Equalization payments to being on the dole...we have turned into.....dare i say it....Quebec!
Billions wasted on plant cancellations cuz someone was to lazy to read the contracts, cronyism, back door deals and how Ontario Liberal party is going to swoop in and save us from the poverty level by raising the mimum wage. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Let me ask you something. When (not if) the Min wage goes to $14, that guy busting his *** making $15, is he gonna get another 3 dollar raise automatically? No, so in his head hes thinking "Screw it, i'm gonna go flip burgers, not have a damn care in the world, zero pressure or drive to succeed and all i gotta do is loose $40 bucks a week. A LOT of people are gonna opt out of entry level, barely above minimum wage jobs and settle for mim wage. Hell, $40 bucks at $14 is just 3 hours of extra work, no biggie.
