Why we need a minimum wage hike......

Forum Sponsor
RockerGuy said:
Care to elaborate on that logic?

Sent from my tablet using my paws
Click to expand...

What's to elaborate? People who are against an increase aren't being mean, they're concerned about all the negative impacts on businesses, employees and the economy in general. If that's the case wouldn't doing the opposite have a positive effect?
 
inreb said:
What's to elaborate? People who are against an increase aren't being mean, they're concerned about all the negative impacts on businesses, employees and the economy in general. If that's the case wouldn't doing the opposite have a positive effect?
Click to expand...

I don't think that's how it works.
 
Minimum wage is what... 10 something an hour? Those in favor of it not going up do tell how someone in today's times lives on that? Keep in mind most need a vehicle to get to work which requires insurance. That in itself is the biggest scam this province has to offer. Now how does someone cover that and rent and food. That's assuming they already somehow own their vehicle because making that they sure can't afford a new one. The problem with Onterrible is everything has risen except wages. Perhaps everything else needs to be put back into perspective. (i.e. the billion dollar condo market or a 800k attached **** hole in Toronto) Just a thought.
 
you cant put things like housing prices "into perspective" , the market decides house prices not a committee. If fixer-uppers in Roncenvales are listed for 650 and selling for 800, that's the market deciding. When the minimum wage went to $3.65, stores were going to close, you couldn't buy a car with that money , or pay rent and families lived below the poverty line. Its still like that at $11.00. You could move the number to $14.95 , a big mac will go up accordingly and you still wont drive a nice car.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
Supply and demand.

Here's an example. I worked as a ground handler at Pearson for $8.25. A year and a half in, Jetsgo, who we were serving, decided to open their own ground handling company and pay starting hourly rate of $10. Mass exodus of workers from my and other ground handling companies started to flock to Jetsgo. To stem the tide, our company raised starting wage to $10. That ****** the **** out of me, as me, with 1.5 years in, who just got to $10 was now making the same as a fresh newbie. The company had to do it.

The market self regulates. Minimum wage is 9.95 in Alberta. You will not find anyone making even close to min wage in Alberta. Burger flippers, 15 an hour, Tim Horton worker? $18. When i was in Calgary for work, HIRING signs were everywhere, Their newspapers FILLED with "looking for workers, no experience needed, training paid etc etc" If you offered someone minimum wage, you'd have no-one showing up for work.

Here's the gist. Federal, Provincial and Local government jobs is to create jobs, not menial jobs, but industrial, construction, science, you name it jobs that require skilled labor. Ontario has performed a Seppuku to our manufacturing sector and then force fed us "green energy" that we're gonna be bitter about for years to come. Ontario went from a have to a have not province. A province that has gone from contributing to the Equalization payments to being on the dole...we have turned into.....dare i say it....Quebec!

Billions wasted on plant cancellations cuz someone was to lazy to read the contracts, cronyism, back door deals and how Ontario Liberal party is going to swoop in and save us from the poverty level by raising the mimum wage. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Let me ask you something. When (not if) the Min wage goes to $14, that guy busting his *** making $15, is he gonna get another 3 dollar raise automatically? No, so in his head hes thinking "Screw it, i'm gonna go flip burgers, not have a damn care in the world, zero pressure or drive to succeed and all i gotta do is loose $40 bucks a week. A LOT of people are gonna opt out of entry level, barely above minimum wage jobs and settle for mim wage. Hell, $40 bucks at $14 is just 3 hours of extra work, no biggie.
Click to expand...

Na, some industries like McDonalds would never increase the wage. A simple fix is keeping up with inflation every year and these "shocks" lol would never happen.
 
I think it was CNN money that had an article in the past week that showed if you had only inflation adjusted the minimum wage from 50 or so years ago then you'd be at $4.35. So the current minimum wage in the US has more than doubled in real purchasing power over said 50 or so years. And yet people still complain its to little despite those on minimum wages years ago living on far less.

Me thinks there is teensy weesy bit of entitlement and laziness built into today's minimum wage earners (whodathunk......)
 
Last edited:
I'm of the opinion that any increases beyond keeping up with inflation are unnecessary and quite possibly detrimental to my quality of life. Do supermarkets and other retailers hike the price of products as their employees' wages increase? Of course they do. Therefore its not beneficial to me to see increases in minimum wage. Cold, but true.
 
Set a legislative ceiling on the pay of CEOs. Their pay should not be more than 10x that of their lowest paid employee. If you don't want to hike the pay of the lowest guy, then put the money into growing the business.
 
whining.png
 
Scuba Steve said:
How does 175 become 220 with a 7 percent increase? Just wondering the math seems way off mine comes up with approx 188000 using your numbers.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

you do realize the payments made to cpp ei wsib vacation pay all go up too?

10.25$ isn't what employers pay to employees it's more like $11.85 with all the fees.
 
LiNK666 said:
you do realize the payments made to cpp ei wsib vacation pay all go up too?

10.25$ isn't what employers pay to employees it's more like $11.85 with all the fees.
Click to expand...

I do I run a small business with a much larger payroll than yours. It just looks like you are significantly overestimating the amount this small increase will cost.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk
 
CruisnGrrl said:
That's not exactly the way it will work...
Click to expand...

Yes it is. If I give you 5 million dollars, and another person 5 million dollars and give both the same instructions, to open a storefront, hire staff, and sell bicycles manufactured locally right here in Ontario with 1 key difference. The difference is 1 business does 10x max and the other does the usual million plus for the CEO. Which business is going to be the one that has more funds available to have advertising, manufacturing expansion, motivated happy staff, etc?

Yes I know you can buy a $10 disposable bicycle from Walmart. That's not your market. Your market is the urban hipster who wants the finest lugged frames and gilt edging. That isn't found at Walmart.

So CEO with unreasonable pay decides he will hire minimum wage and outsources manufacturing to China. Ok, but the buy local feel good crowd likes being able to tour the local facility and meet the master frame builders who will measure them and custom produce frames rather than ordering out a catalog.
 
Sunspark said:
Yes it is. If I give you 5 million dollars, and another person 5 million dollars and give both the same instructions, to open a storefront, hire staff, and sell bicycles manufactured locally right here in Ontario with 1 key difference. The difference is 1 business does 10x max and the other does the usual million plus for the CEO. Which business is going to be the one that has more funds available to have advertising, manufacturing expansion, motivated happy staff, etc?

Yes I know you can buy a $10 disposable bicycle from Walmart. That's not your market. Your market is the urban hipster who wants the finest lugged frames and gilt edging. That isn't found at Walmart.

So CEO with unreasonable pay decides he will hire minimum wage and outsources manufacturing to China. Ok, but the buy local feel good crowd likes being able to tour the local facility and meet the master frame builders who will measure them and custom produce frames rather than ordering out a catalog.
Click to expand...


I would say most people work for some multinational... the real ceo will be elsewhere and get paid a gazillion dollars compared to the local wage slaves (or the wage slaves in another country where they make the actual product) while the ceo of canadian operations will take direction from elsewhere and be a figurehead....


here's another minimum wage meme, no idea if chris rock said this but it is true... look at link666, if he could he would pay less


8dXSp.jpg
 
CruisnGrrl said:
I would say most people work for some multinational... the real ceo will be elsewhere and get paid a gazillion dollars compared to the local wage slaves (or the wage slaves in another country where they make the actual product) while the ceo of canadian operations will take direction from elsewhere and be a figurehead....


here's another minimum wage meme, no idea if chris rock said this but it is true... look at link666, if he could he would pay less


8dXSp.jpg
Click to expand...

I would if I could. I would rather be able to hire more people and increase the amount of people working for me.
Forum Sponsor
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom