I mean from a business perspective. Flooded with cheap capital to get going, a long honeymoon with early adopters, and in the end a viable company. Toyota started selling Prius 10 years before TESLA sold a car, in 2003 would you have bet Tesla or Toyota as the big swinging **** in the ecar marketplace?
Well, I was surprised Toyota got a head start but not surprised they lost the race. Similar to HD, they are tied into a philosophy and that philosophy is not be the most innovative. Semi-affordable price, great reliability is their thing not innovation. Hell, when prius batteries started crapping out due to pet hair (battery cooling air drawn from in cabin) they stuck with the same system and made no attempt to improve even when new generations were released.
I mean from a business perspective. Flooded with cheap capital, cool engineering positions, gov't incentives, a long honeymoon with early adopters, and in the end a viable company. Toyota started selling Prius 10 years before TESLA sold a car, in 2003 would you have bet Tesla or Toyota as the big swinging **** in the ecar marketplace?
Hydrogen is just a game to extract money from the government (or alternatively a way for governments to funnel money to corporations while pretending they are helping the environment). It will never be a viable solution for personal vehicles.
Hydrogen is just a game to extract money from the government (or alternatively a way for governments to funnel money to corporations while pretending they are helping the environment). It will never be a viable solution for personal vehicles.
So, yes, like you said... a premium image at a premium cost. Not necessarily actually a premium product however. That's going to be their biggest stumbling block in the years ahead as image matters a lot less to the generation with the disposable income to buy motorcycles and other toys.
100% Correct.
Look at the Livewire. Take of the HD branding and drop they price by 1/3!!!
That alone proves it. They fleece their purchasers because of appearances.
Reminds me of the boutique fashion crap - (my spelling is going be terrible here) Louis Boutton, Coach, Chanel, Louis Vuitton...
Overpriced product, which is in fact premium, but in no way is it worth their pricing. (i.e. $18,000 for a Louis Vuitton steamer trunk).
Hmm... I'd be interested in seeing a drag race between the Duke 390 and the 883 Sportster...
I know the Suzuki GS500 beats the 883... So it would be close, I'm sure.
Hmm... I'd be interested in seeing a drag race between the Duke 390 and the 883 Sportster...
I know the Suzuki GS500 beats the 883... So it would be close, I'm sure.
Well, I was surprised Toyota got a head start but not surprised they lost the race. Similar to HD, they are tied into a philosophy and that philosophy is not be the most innovative. Semi-affordable price, great reliability is their thing not innovation. Hell, when prius batteries started crapping out due to pet hair (battery cooling air drawn from in cabin) they stuck with the same system and made no attempt to improve even when new generations were released.
Maybe I'm just unlucky, but I've had 3 Toyotas (Tercel, 4-runner, and an ES330), they all were expensive, they all rusted badly. They do however hold their value - replaced exhaust, cats, every wheel bearing, tie rods, a driveshaft, struts all around, and god knows how many sensors (engine light). This one was 10 years old with 280+K on the clock when my wife was done with it. It sold for $4500 as you see it.
Never. My Bajaj does everything I need it to. Already has over 6000km on it. I figure I'll get about 60,000km out of it. When it breaks down I'll throw it away.
I can see that. The faster guys could really make the most of the 200's in the tightest stuff and leave guys like me in the dust. For the rest of us, the 300 was/is magic everywhere.
Reminds me of the boutique fashion crap - (my spelling is going be terrible here) Louis Boutton, Coach, Chanel, Louis Vuitton...
Overpriced product, which is in fact premium,
Honestly, some of it's not even actually premium. A lot of these brands started being premium (but still not worth the money compared to non froo-froo brand alternatives) and then when they hit the big time, became quasi-mass produced crap as demand increased and production ramped up.
Google "Louis Vuitton Quality" and in short order you'll be reading about how they have a lot of issues with that. To pick but one of the silly overpriced fashion brand.
It's like buying a Range Rover instead of a Chevy - you're buying the "Look at me, look at me!" factor whilst actually having purchased a drastically overpriced notoriously unreliable piece of junk. But hey, "look at me!"
It's like buying a Range Rover instead of a Chevy - you're buying the "Look at me, look at me!" factor whilst actually having purchased a drastically overpriced notoriously unreliable piece of junk. But hey, "look at me!"
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