Whitby Accident Victim Identified

Can we please stop using the word "accident". This was NO "accident". Here's my two cents on that issue...

http://www.roadawareness.org/news/not-an-accident/

Yes and no. I totally agree we should stop using the word accident for every crash / collision.

In this case the passenger falling off was not an accident because it was something that would or could be expected under the circumstances. Speeding, weaving and accelerating with an unfamiliar passenger makes some form of mishap semi predictable.

The cars hitting the fallen woman is far less predictable. One tries to stay aware of unexpected obstacles but to have it in mind that a body is going to drop off a bike in front of you is a stretch. You are more likely to have truck wheels flying at you.
 
Maybe if you read the entire thread, you would understand why.

But once again, I will explain....

It is a SIU investigation at the present time and the police are not allowed to issue media releases while SIU is involved.

Indeed, I read the whole thread.

However, I just can;t believe how slow the SIU works on this case. As some people said, she is someone's daugther, sister, etc.

I just don;t want ppl to forget what had happened. Personally, I am consider this is a big scar to motorcycle community.
 
Yes and no. I totally agree we should stop using the word accident for every crash / collision.

In this case the passenger falling off was not an accident because it was something that would or could be expected under the circumstances. Speeding, weaving and accelerating with an unfamiliar passenger makes some form of mishap semi predictable.

The cars hitting the fallen woman is far less predictable. One tries to stay aware of unexpected obstacles but to have it in mind that a body is going to drop off a bike in front of you is a stretch. You are more likely to have truck wheels flying at you.
Agreed but you need to look at the picture as a whole...not just in little squares. As one of the 'drivers', their involvement may have been unavoidable but overall...this incident, and every other one on our roads, is avoidable.
 
Indeed, I read the whole thread.

However, I just can;t believe how slow the SIU works on this case. As some people said, she is someone's daugther, sister, etc.

I just don;t want ppl to forget what had happened. Personally, I am consider this is a big scar to motorcycle community.

SIU will be a few months minimum before they release everything.

In fact, they likely won't even close the case until they speak to the driver of the bike.
 
SIU will be a few months minimum before they release everything.

In fact, they likely won't even close the case until they speak to the driver of the bike.

It would be nice if they would release some details on the bike and rider (whatever descriptions they have) because many here myself included would be glad to help identify the culprit (if we can).

I had hoped they already knew who he was but I am starting to doubt that now...
 
It would be nice if they would release some details on the bike and rider (whatever descriptions they have) because many here myself included would be glad to help identify the culprit (if we can).

I had hoped they already knew who he was but I am starting to doubt that now...

because you know everyone who owns a motorcycle, they are SIU for a reason and you are not.
 
because you know everyone who owns a motorcycle, they are SIU for a reason and you are not.

The SIU personally knows everyone who rides a motorcycle? Really? Does the MTO listings say what colour jackets we all wear as well as any specific marking on the bikes? Let me check my ownership...

My point is, release details of the rider so the general public (most importantly the ones who do know people who ride) can provide possible leads, all assuming they do not know already.
 
The SIU personally knows everyone who rides a motorcycle? Really? Does the MTO listings say what colour jackets we all wear as well as any specific marking on the bikes? Let me check my ownership...

My point is, release details of the rider so the general public (most importantly the ones who do know people who ride) can provide possible leads, all assuming they do not know already.


ohh okay, well when you crack the case let me know dick tracy. What you just said has nothing to do with what i pointed out. I repeat THEY ARE SIU for a reason and you are not. You make a great internet hero..... chauvinist
 
because you know everyone who owns a motorcycle, they are SIU for a reason .
Yea, the reason is cause they were cops that either retire or are no longer in the force
 
Every time I see a comment like this, referring to this incident: "they consider this is a big scar to the motorcycling community" it causes me the biggest roll eyes of all time. I just don't get how anyone can actually correlate that the one incident has anything at all to do with the other subject. If you gave it two seconds thought, you would recall that people in cars have hit and run and killed pedestrians many times in the past. You have heard of this happening have you not?

I think what is more at the crux here, is that people aren't able to properly communicate their disgust and dismay when crap like this happens in the real world. And as riders, we tend to feel/assume a greater camaraderie amongst ourselves, so when something with a level of injustice that causes such a tragic outcome, we are outraged. And spontaneous outrage often creates a bit of a brain fart. Fortunately, we don't encounter the triggers often enough to find just the perfect way to express our contempt.

But for once and for all, please do not keep associating this incident with riders and motorcycles. Non riders or anyone else reading this who also are dealing with the same outrage may be on the fence with their thoughts on where to attempt to lay blame. By members here suggesting that it has anything to do with motorcycles instead of it being a isolated incident of its own, might actually influence the general public into going "hey ya....those bastard bikers".

I respectfully ask that you think about it and stop considering this having anything at all to do with motorcycling and riders.
 
The SIU personally knows everyone who rides a motorcycle? Really? Does the MTO listings say what colour jackets we all wear as well as any specific marking on the bikes? Let me check my ownership...

My point is, release details of the rider so the general public (most importantly the ones who do know people who ride) can provide possible leads, all assuming they do not know already.

One of the reasons SIU would not be too quick to disclose too vague a description is to avoid the potential mob-mentality (already expressed on the huge thread before this one) and have innocent riders being beat to a pulp...only to later have them tell him "oh sorry man, we thought for sure you had to be the one".
 
One of the reasons SIU would not be too quick to disclose too vague a description is to avoid the potential mob-mentality (already expressed on the huge thread before this one) and have innocent riders being beat to a pulp...only to later have them tell him "oh sorry man, we thought for sure you had to be the one".

I would normally agree but I think they are getting to the point of letting the case run cold, of course it is up to them to make the call.

BTW, in previous posts I was clear to let them get it done, I am starting to falter in my faith.
 
I would normally agree but I think they are getting to the point of letting the case run cold, of course it is up to them to make the call.

BTW, in previous posts I was clear to let them get it done, I am starting to falter in my faith.

are you up to par with the case? do you have all the details on where the SIU stand? if there are any suspects? how do you even know the rider is at fault? maybe the rider is in custody already and repainting the picture for them. I think it would make sense to release as minimum information as possible so nothing becomes fabricated.

Oh but i forgot GTAM members solve ALL crimes
 
Every time I see a comment like this, referring to this incident: "they consider this is a big scar to the motorcycling community" it causes me the biggest roll eyes of all time. I just don't get how anyone can actually correlate that the one incident has anything at all to do with the other subject. If you gave it two seconds thought, you would recall that people in cars have hit and run and killed pedestrians many times in the past. You have heard of this happening have you not?

I think what is more at the crux here, is that people aren't able to properly communicate their disgust and dismay when crap like this happens in the real world. And as riders, we tend to feel/assume a greater camaraderie amongst ourselves, so when something with a level of injustice that causes such a tragic outcome, we are outraged. And spontaneous outrage often creates a bit of a brain fart. Fortunately, we don't encounter the triggers often enough to find just the perfect way to express our contempt.

But for once and for all, please do not keep associating this incident with riders and motorcycles. Non riders or anyone else reading this who also are dealing with the same outrage may be on the fence with their thoughts on where to attempt to lay blame. By members here suggesting that it has anything to do with motorcycles instead of it being a isolated incident of its own, might actually influence the general public into going "hey ya....those bastard bikers".

I respectfully ask that you think about it and stop considering this having anything at all to do with motorcycling and riders.


+1..
 
Every time I see a comment like this, referring to this incident: "they consider this is a big scar to the motorcycling community" it causes me the biggest roll eyes of all time. I just don't get how anyone can actually correlate that the one incident has anything at all to do with the other subject. If you gave it two seconds thought, you would recall that people in cars have hit and run and killed pedestrians many times in the past. You have heard of this happening have you not?

I think what is more at the crux here, is that people aren't able to properly communicate their disgust and dismay when crap like this happens in the real world. And as riders, we tend to feel/assume a greater camaraderie amongst ourselves, so when something with a level of injustice that causes such a tragic outcome, we are outraged. And spontaneous outrage often creates a bit of a brain fart. Fortunately, we don't encounter the triggers often enough to find just the perfect way to express our contempt.

But for once and for all, please do not keep associating this incident with riders and motorcycles. Non riders or anyone else reading this who also are dealing with the same outrage may be on the fence with their thoughts on where to attempt to lay blame. By members here suggesting that it has anything to do with motorcycles instead of it being a isolated incident of its own, might actually influence the general public into going "hey ya....those bastard bikers".

I respectfully ask that you think about it and stop considering this having anything at all to do with motorcycling and riders.



I kind of disagree with your comment. The reason I have this thing to do with motorcycling is, Riding a motocycle is a hobby and enjoyment here in GTA (especially).

Unlike car, not many riders here in GTA use motocycle as their primary transportation. I used to live in the country that majority of the riders use motorcyle as a primary transportation, **** happened, many kind of accidents. It's part of daily life. There are some crux and some good riders. I treated them as you said about car rider in here.

BUT, talking about in GTA, This is a HOBBY (again majority). We only ride 5-7 months a year and probably in average we ride 3-4 times a week for few hours during that period. The same thing with other hobby we have. If there is a fatality we would like to know WHY and hopefully we can prevent it to happen again. If there is a crux, hopefully we can avoid them or drive them out.

Riding a motorcycle is a risky hobby like any other hobbies out there. We as a rider, want to make this hobby more fun and safe for ourselves and others. Off course there are crazy people out there, i'm not discounting that as long as you at your own risk, not others people life.

Hope this helps
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I sorta disagree as well.

When you read about motorcycle related stuff, it's sensationalized. always. And as riders represent a VERY small percentage of all vehicles on the road, we are totally open to the capricious opinion of the general public. They are NOT on the fence thanks to all the stupid things that riders do, and the maroons who report it to sell hair conditioner or Amish wood heaters.

More to the point, if people who ride took more pride in their skills, respect for the road, and keep training to be the best rider they can be, we might be treated with more respect by others on the road.

Think about that when some idiot posts on here about running, or stunting on the open street, or how to wheelie and such.

The young guys with no self control are going to ruin it for the next gen of riders coming up and they don't give a damn.

Or know how to spell....
 

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