Whitby Accident Victim Identified

I don't generally troll the obits, but hers was on the first page.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=ioana-bocunescu&pid=145061867



IOANA BOCUNESCU Suddenly as the result of an accident on Friday, August 27, 2010. Beloved daughter of Naruja and the late Mircea Bocunescu, both of Romania. Loving sister of Rucsandra Mitrea and her partner Bob Maheu and Alexandru Bocunescu and his wife Laura. As a fully recovered stroke survivor herself, Ioana was a committed volunteer at the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Ontario. With a University degree in the field of economics (Academy of Economic Studies, Bucharest, Romania), Ioana decided to return to school (Humber College) in order to obtain a degree in Social Services. Her main desire was to help and motivate stroke patients on their road to recovery. Due to Ioana's wishes, there will be no funeral service. Cremation with interment to follow in Romania. In memory of Ioana, donations to the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Ontario would be appreciated by the family.
 
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Thanks for posting the Obituary, thmpr.

It's nice to get a tiny glimpse into Ioana's life and family. As shocked as we are as strangers about the circumstances surrounding her death, I can't imagine the sadness and anger her mother, sister and brother are going through.

I think justice would be served if something similar happened to the rider that left her behind. If there's such thing as karma, he'll ride into a left-turning cager someday in the future. :p
 
Smokeandapancake said:
As long as there are reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed. Which is the way it is for anyone.
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Some people seem to think that the presence of the SIU is an indicator that the cop did something wrong. One of the first posts in this thread alluded to that - 6 SIU investigators, therefore the cop must have done something wrong.

With SIU investigations, it's a bit different though. The SIU will investigate if a civilian is seriously injured or killed in any interaction involving the police. There does not have to be reasonable grounds to believe that any offence by any cop has been committed - the injury or death by itself provides the only grounds needed to prompt an investigation.

The SIU investigation is in a sense a fishing expedition with a wide net, one necessary to ensure the integrity of police accountability, but a fishing expedition none-the-less. It is a performance audit intended to determine whether police acted reasonably in the events leading up to the injury or death. If this "audit" determines that a cop did something seriously wrong to the point of criminal culpability, charges can then be laid against the cop involved.
 
dcx135 said:
Thanks for posting the Obituary, thmpr.

It's nice to get a tiny glimpse into Ioana's life and family. As shocked as we are as strangers about the circumstances surrounding her death, I can't imagine the sadness and anger her mother, sister and brother are going through.

I think justice would be served if something similar happened to the rider that left her behind. If there's such thing as karma, he'll ride into a left-turning cager someday in the future. :p
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the universe does have a way of dealing with things. it just may not be quick enough for all of us or the greiving families.
 
turbodish said:
Some people seem to think that the presence of the SIU is an indicator that the cop did something wrong. One of the first posts in this thread alluded to that - 6 SIU investigators, therefore the cop must have done something wrong.

With SIU investigations, it's a bit different though. The SIU will investigate if a civilian is seriously injured or killed in any interaction involving the police. There does not have to be reasonable grounds to believe that any offence by any cop has been committed - the injury or death by itself provides the only grounds needed to prompt an investigation.

The SIU investigation is in a sense a fishing expedition with a wide net, one necessary to ensure the integrity of police accountability, but a fishing expedition none-the-less. It is a performance audit intended to determine whether police acted reasonably in the events leading up to the injury or death. If this "audit" determines that a cop did something seriously wrong to the point of criminal culpability, charges can then be laid against the cop involved.
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But of course with many SIU investigators being ex cops, there is always a huge cover up occurring.

If some people would take a few minutes and perhaps educate themselves, the world would likely be a better place.

SIU has a website that gives lots of info on how, what, why they do what the do. As well, there are lots of cases that can be read.
 
Smokeandapancake said:
But of course with many SIU investigators being ex cops, there is always a huge cover up occurring.

If some people would take a few minutes and perhaps educate themselves, the world would likely be a better place.

SIU has a website that gives lots of info on how, what, why they do what the do. As well, there are lots of cases that can be read.
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Look man, you and turbodish can keep barking till you're blue in the face. 90% of people dont like cops, we dont trust them because of what they have done in the past and how most of us have been treated. You want to change the public's opinion? How about you change the way you treat us everyday, by posting at a motorcycle board where most of us get harassed by you guys you aren't winning anyone over.
 
Wow, can't believe none of the other motorists stopped! :mad:

There's gotta be a way to find the rider. Most ppl these days have cellphones, and the victim and rider probably had prior communication? or based on the time of the incident and the areas they were travelling through, there might be a way to track which cellphones switched into/out of certain cell tower coverage zones ?
 
PAUL123456789 said:
Look man, you and turbodish can keep barking till you're blue in the face. 90% of people dont like cops, we dont trust them because of what they have done in the past and how most of us have been treated. You want to change the public's opinion? How about you change the way you treat us everyday, by posting at a motorcycle board where most of us get harassed by you guys you aren't winning anyone over.
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Awesome post new guy.
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Level headed, no insults, clear and concise point, well said! :thumbup:
Can i hire you as my spokesperson?
 
This is all about perception. It does not matter if the siu is made up of a bunch of saint like ex cops who have absolutely no personal biases towards their fellow officers. It does not matter if they are completely objective. What matters is that it looks like it is a situation ripe for abuse. Can you not on any level see how the public might perceive this?


Smokeandapancake said:
But of course with many SIU investigators being ex cops, there is always a huge cover up occurring.

If some people would take a few minutes and perhaps educate themselves, the world would likely be a better place.

SIU has a website that gives lots of info on how, what, why they do what the do. As well, there are lots of cases that can be read.
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I hope they catch the rider in this case. At a minimum the police would have a description of the motor cycle even it was only style and color. I bet they are running an exhaustive review of all bikes that fit the description even though there are a significant amount to chase down. I hope they nail the person for being so reckless and without conscience. I agree with the other folks who believe that there would be no way to ID the rider from the passenger. RIP.
 
Smokeandapancake said:
But of course with many SIU investigators being ex cops, there is always a huge cover up occurring.
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And the cops are ALL saints. Each and every one of them. Frank Serpico was just really, really paranoid. :rolleyes:
 
FullMotoJacket said:
And the cops are ALL saints. Each and every one of them. Frank Serpico was just really, really paranoid. :rolleyes:
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Come on, Al Pacino is just a good actor... :D
 
NM Micky B said:
Most ppl these days have cellphones, and the victim and rider probably had prior communication? or based on the time of the incident and the areas they were travelling through, there might be a way to track which cellphones switched into/out of certain cell tower coverage zones ?
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That's a bit convoluted isn't it? Wouldn't it be simpler for the investigators to obtain the phone records of the woman and list all the males she's contacted recently, then cross reference those men with the MTO if any of them have a motorcycle license and currently own a sportbike? Yes, they've already done that and came up with nothing, that's why he's still on the loose.
 
Look, there are good cops, bad cops and ugly cops. It's the same in every profession except maybe for the financial services industry.

Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups so until all the details are made public speculation is actually quite irrelevant.

Having said that, it does make for great entertainment.
 
PAUL123456789 said:
Look man, you and turbodish can keep barking till you're blue in the face. 90% of people dont like cops, we dont trust them because of what they have done in the past and how most of us have been treated. You want to change the public's opinion? How about you change the way you treat us everyday, by posting at a motorcycle board where most of us get harassed by you guys you aren't winning anyone over.
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90% ?

Really?? Come on....you're kidding???

Show me the stats!!!
 
ddusseld said:
This is all about perception. It does not matter if the siu is made up of a bunch of saint like ex cops who have absolutely no personal biases towards their fellow officers. It does not matter if they are completely objective. What matters is that it looks like it is a situation ripe for abuse. Can you not on any level see how the public might perceive this?
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Yes, I can see it.

But look at the rest of the country and show me a better system.

And how bout suggestions for a better system???

Training someone for a couple years comes no where close to the experience of someone who worked the job for 30 years.
 
DS2 said:
Look, there are good cops, bad cops and ugly cops. It's the same in every profession except maybe for the financial services industry.

Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups so until all the details are made public speculation is actually quite irrelevant.

Having said that, it does make for great entertainment.
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Yeah, cuz you never hear of someone in the financial services industry rung up for fraud or theft.
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