Whitby Accident Victim Identified

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I have a question. If she was a girlfriend i would imagine they have him by now. If she was a random pick up, then wouldn't the lid be his? And, providing it wasn't destroyed and there is a police record of him somewhere (that may be a stretch) would there not be his prints somewhere on the lid?

I just think when I'm cleaning my lid and visor, there must be prints everywhere?
 
ZX600 said:
Wow, so who gets to decide which cases are warranted and witch are not? Do you have to get an approval from a superior officer before? or your high moral and never wrong decision making power gets to be the judge and executor on the side of the road?

Because, drawing a fire gun and shooting at someone that is shooting at you I believe to be warranted but ramming someone of the road because of what they "may" do or not...ummmm

Would you say that if a cop uses it's "amazing" judgement and rams a motorcycle that has a passenger and said passenger falls into traffic and gets killed, whose fault is that the passenger die? Let’s paint this scenario just for ***** and giggles
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I think that most officers would fall back on years of training and experience in a case like that. They would have to, when your life or the life of those you are sworn to protect is on the line they would have to be able to make judgements instantly. They are only human and do make mistakes and unfortunately this is unavoidable. And this is why the SIU was created.. to make sure there is an independant body free from influence of police, politicians and the public that ideally can make a fair report and, more importantly, be shown to be making a fair unbiased report.

..Tom
 
MarkC said:
I have a question. If she was a girlfriend i would imagine they have him by now. If she was a random pick up, then wouldn't the lid be his? And, providing it wasn't destroyed and there is a police record of him somewhere (that may be a stretch) would there not be his prints somewhere on the lid?

I just think when I'm cleaning my lid and visor, there must be prints everywhere?
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That makes me worried if the copper didn't get the plate nor did any witness and not wearing a unique jacket or helmet and it was a random pick up even if they had a suspect in custody couldn't he just deny deny deny? And get off?
 
Because the more I think about it they know who she is they MUST have an idea who he is the odds of them having NO ties to each other has to be remote. That said maybe they have no concrete way of putting them both on that bike at the same time in that place. Could be anyone under that helmet
 
Smokeandapancake said:
IF you were involved in an incident where someone was killed (or any other incident for that matter) and the police could be looking at you as a suspect, what would you do????

In all likelihood, you would speak to a lawyer and take his advice, which would be to not say anything.

EVERYONE in Canada is afforded the same rights under the Charter.

However, I will say that in my dealings, I bet the percentage of subject officers that give a statement to SIU is much higher then that of regular civillian suspects.
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I can agree with that ..
 
V-Tom said:
I think that most officers would fall back on years of training and experience in a case like that.

They are only human and do make mistakes and unfortunately this is unavoidable. And this is why the SIU was created.. to make sure there is an independant body free from influence of police, politicians and the public that ideally can make a fair report and, more importantly, be shown to be making a fair unbiased report.

..Tom
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ZX600 said:
So ram your first two wrong until you get experience and do it right the 3rd time??
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Section 113 provides for the appointment of a Director of the Unit who cannot be a police officer or a former police officer. It also prohibits persons who are police officers from being appointed as investigators, though it does not prohibit former police officers from being appointed as investigators



Criminal investigation takes years and years of experience to acquire, and in the process of investigation, there is equally the need to be intimately familiar with police culture. Independence must be absolutely assured, but it should be possible to find and attract skilled police criminal investigators of excellence, who would wish to join the Special Investigations Unit

Taken from their own website

I am guessing that there is a pretty good chance some or most of the SUI are former police officers :rolleyes:

Tom, I really hope that your statements are true, I find it naive but its just a difference of opinion. I am a bitter ******* and don't believe in Santa anymore
 
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ZX600 said:
Section 113 provides for the appointment of a Director of the Unit who cannot be a police officer or a former police officer. It also prohibits persons who are police officers from being appointed as investigators, though it does not prohibit former police officers from being appointed as investigators



Criminal investigation takes years and years of experience to acquire, and in the process of investigation, there is equally the need to be intimately familiar with police culture. Independence must be absolutely assured, but it should be possible to find and attract skilled police criminal investigators of excellence, who would wish to join the Special Investigations Unit

Taken from their own website

I am guessing that there is a pretty good chance some or most of the SUI are former police officers :rolleyes:

Tom, I really hope that your statements are true, I find it naive but its just a difference of opinion. I am a bitter ******* and don't believe in Santa anymore
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Well then who do you think would be qualified to handle SIU investigation's?
 
blackcamaro said:
Well then who do you think would be qualified to handle SIU investigation's?
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Not ex police officers, but I guess that is just me.

I know I still have a soft spot for the people that I used to work with on my previous carrier
I guess we are way off topic here
 
ZX600 said:
Not ex police officers, but I guess that is just me.

I know I still have a soft spot for the people that I used to work with on my previous carrier
I guess we are way off topic here
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I'm not so sure, you'll end up with probably 50/50 guys that are tougher BECAUSE they used to be cops, and the other half that's more lenient.
 
Zaneris said:
I'm not so sure, you'll end up with probably 50/50 guys that are tougher BECAUSE they used to be cops, and the other half that's more lenient.
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i hope the lenient 50% are not the ones investigating the Whitby Accident :confused1:...what are the chances ehh?
 
ZX600 said:
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Tom, I really hope that your statements are true, I find it naive but its just a difference of opinion. I am a bitter ******* and don't believe in Santa anymore
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I'm old enough to know that most things don't work as well as intended, and most things setup by politicians are more for show than for actual substance. I know that no system can be 100% perfect, but I think it's better than having the police force investigate themselves.

..Tom
 
nakkers said:
Google is your friend...........



Just copy and pasted the first portion of the artical that is relavant to your comment........................

Michael Bryant charged in cyclist's death

September 01, 2009
Robyn Doolittle, Danielle Wong , Nicole Baute

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Longtime friend of Darcy Allan Sheppard, Brian Harris is seen sitting on Bloor St. near University Ave. during a protest held by Toronto cyclists after Sheppard was fatally wounded in an altercation with a driver.
PAWEL DWULIT / TORONTO STAR

Former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant has been charged with criminal negligence causing death after a 33-year-old cyclist was struck and killed last night.
He was also charged with dangerous operation of a vehicle causing death.
Friends identified the victim as bicycle courier Darcy Allan Sheppard, father of three.
Bryant, 43, spent the night and morning in custody. He stared straight ahead as he left the Traffic Services police station at about 2:30 p.m. today, amid the flash of cameras and buzz of reporters' questions.
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What exactly are you pointing out????

It sounds like he was charged and released.....so?????
 
9 times out of 10, it all comes down to one thing.

What was going through the officers mind at the moment of the injury or death?

If it is justified then he/she gets off.

ie. the suspect had a flashlight in his pocket, we thought it was a gun, so we shot him. He was fleeing police and as such we assumed the worst as a reasonable person would have complied. etc...
 
ZX600 said:
Section 113 provides for the appointment of a Director of the Unit who cannot be a police officer or a former police officer. It also prohibits persons who are police officers from being appointed as investigators, though it does not prohibit former police officers from being appointed as investigators



Criminal investigation takes years and years of experience to acquire, and in the process of investigation, there is equally the need to be intimately familiar with police culture. Independence must be absolutely assured, but it should be possible to find and attract skilled police criminal investigators of excellence, who would wish to join the Special Investigations Unit

Taken from their own website

I am guessing that there is a pretty good chance some or most of the SUI are former police officers :rolleyes:

Tom, I really hope that your statements are true, I find it naive but its just a difference of opinion. I am a bitter ******* and don't believe in Santa anymore
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The VAST majority of SIU investigators are former police officers.

Where else would you find the skill sets needed to do such investigations???

A lawyer prolly could, perhaps a traffic engineer of some sort. Forensic specialists maybe....

But all of them make much more money doing what they are doing, then they would working for SIU.
 
Smokeandapancake said:
The VAST majority of SIU investigators are former police officers.

Where else would you find the skill sets needed to do such investigations???

A lawyer prolly could, perhaps a traffic engineer of some sort. Forensic specialists maybe....

But all of them make much more money doing what they are doing, then they would working for SIU.
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I see a big problem with this! perhaps you don't, maybe I'm wrong.

Either case, we are agreeing, don't get an allergic reaction
 
V-Tom said:
I'm old enough to know that most things don't work as well as intended, and most things setup by politicians are more for show than for actual substance. I know that no system can be 100% perfect, but I think it's better than having the police force investigate themselves.

..Tom
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How SIU basically works....

well you could read their website for starters....

SIU investigates incidents along side the investigating police service. It is called a parallel organization. And the police service has to assist or do whatever SIU basically asks.

Once the SIU investigation is done, a report outlining all the evidence etc, is forwarded to the director, Ian Scott, who reviews everything and makes the decision as whether or not there are reasonable grounds to believe a criminal offence has been committed.

I think the director is always a lawyer.

Some directors seem to be pro police, some seem anti police and some seem very unbiased either way. Actually, i don't actually recall one being pro police, but Andre Martin was very anti police. Ian Scott seems pretty reasonable to me, from what I've heard/read/seen.
 
Thought I would point this part out, one more time....


Once the SIU investigation is done, a report outlining all the evidence etc, is forwarded to the director, Ian Scott, who reviews everything and makes the decision as whether or not there are reasonable grounds to believe a criminal offence has been committed.
 
moto22 said:
I hope thats the case ..but still find it fishy the cop not talking to SIU :confused1:
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Have you read the news in the last ten years? Cops NEVER talk to the SIU until they've all gotten their stories straight and reviewed by their lawyers.
 
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