Which gun should be banned next?

It quite simply goes back to the big picture for me. If I contrast America with any other nation with gun control, I see a strong correlation between gun control and a reduction in homicides.

This document (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/85-002-x2001011-eng.pdf) shows that the 2000 homicide rate in America was 3x higher than here, aggravated assault about 2x, robbery about 2x, while B&E and auto theft rates were 1.2x higher in Canada than America.

So would you rather have much much higher murder, assault and robbery rate, or would you rather have a 20% higher chance of B&E and getting your car jacked?

Answers simple for me.

Lol you know what they say about simple answers...

In recent years, they've been relaxing the gun laws south of the border. A person is able to carry in a lot more states than before.. There are also more guns on their market and more people getting into gun ownership than ever. Here's a CDC chart of their homicide rate trends..


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More guns, fewer homicides. With that being said, the increase in guns is just a small piece of the puzzle. Can't neglect more effective law enforcement and better education, for example. In the end, murder is illegal and carries stiff legal penalties. Those set on murder will find a way to commit it. Registering law abiding citizens' handguns while Mr. Yo Yo Gangbanger Yo can buy one on the black market and they are stupid easy to manufacture won't cause a blip on the homicide rate radar.

P.S. Serbia has twice as many guns per capita as Canada and a history of civil wars, but still, you'll find a 25% lower homicide rate than here :cool:
 
Lol you know what they say about simple answers...

In recent years, they've been relaxing the gun laws south of the border. A person is able to carry in a lot more states than before.. There are also more guns on their market and more people getting into gun ownership than ever. Here's a CDC chart of their homicide rate trends..

P.S. Serbia has twice as many guns per capita as Canada and a history of civil wars, but still, you'll find a 25% lower homicide rate than here :cool:


More guns, fewer homicides. With that being said, the increase in guns is just a small piece of the puzzle. Can't neglect more effective law enforcement and better education, for example. In the end, murder is illegal and carries stiff legal penalties. Those set on murder will find a way to commit it. Registering law abiding citizens' handguns while Mr. Yo Yo Gangbanger Yo can buy one on the black market and they are stupid easy to manufacture won't cause a blip on the homicide rate radar.

I do agree it is a multifaceted problem with lots of variables, and I have been oversimplifying it.

I see this chart, and I recognize the trend, but I just don't feel that more guns will see that homicide rate get on par with other first world nations. Maybe one day I'll eat my words.
 
I do agree it is a multifaceted problem with lots of variables, and I have been oversimplifying it.

I see this chart, and I recognize the trend, but I just don't feel that more guns will see that homicide rate get on par with other first world nations. Maybe one day I'll eat my words.

You won't eat your words. What I am saying is that more guns, fewer guns, it doesn't matter. The overall picture will be unchanged. The homicide rate will mostly be affected by socioeconomic factors and the overall culture in the society. With that being said, the law-abiding citizen should still be given the option to defend him/herself.
 
I chuckle when people say they "don't worry" about home invasions.

Guess what? The victims of most home invasions also didn't worry before it happened. But it DOES happen. Folks win the lottery every week.
 
A mod please clean up the thread. It's gone way off topic with all the gun wackos.
Heroin addicts can rationalize all day why heroin should be legal. Some of you are worse.
 
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I chuckle when people say they "don't worry" about home invasions.

Guess what? The victims of most home invasions also didn't worry before it happened. But it DOES happen. Folks win the lottery every week.

Ironic they're calling you the wacko
 
A mod please clean up the thread. It's gone way off topic with all the gun wackos.
Heroin addicts can rationalize all day why heroin should be legal. Some of you are worse.

Yes mods and make sure you clean up the personal insults :cool:
 
No we're not.. We do our best to follow the forum rules :cool:

I was referring specifically of people who think home invasions are only in movies
 
Lol you know what they say about simple answers...

In recent years, they've been relaxing the gun laws south of the border. A person is able to carry in a lot more states than before.. There are also more guns on their market and more people getting into gun ownership than ever. Here's a CDC chart of their homicide rate trends..


m6227a1f1.gif


More guns, fewer homicides. With that being said, the increase in guns is just a small piece of the puzzle. Can't neglect more effective law enforcement and better education, for example. In the end, murder is illegal and carries stiff legal penalties. Those set on murder will find a way to commit it. Registering law abiding citizens' handguns while Mr. Yo Yo Gangbanger Yo can buy one on the black market and they are stupid easy to manufacture won't cause a blip on the homicide rate radar.

P.S. Serbia has twice as many guns per capita as Canada and a history of civil wars, but still, you'll find a 25% lower homicide rate than here :cool:
The homicide rate has been coming down for over a decade in all developed nations. The level of access to firearms may be helping or hindering that trend in the US.

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It is possible to do enough number crunching to and analysis to make a reasonable judgement about the effect of access to guns and their effect on crime, but that isn't it.

By the way, I told you a year and a half ago that your Serbia numbers were wrong. I know it's some weird source of pride for your to make that claim, but wrong is wrong. Serbia does have about 2x the number of guns per capita, but the homicide rate is pretty much identical.
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Source: http://www.unodc.org/gsh/en/data.html
 
By the way, I told you a year and a half ago that your Serbia numbers were wrong. I know it's some weird source of pride for your to make that claim, but wrong is wrong. Serbia does have about 2x the number of guns per capita, but the homicide rate is pretty much identical.

Look at the graph that you posted again... Canada's hovering in the 1.6/100,000 range, while Serbia is in the 1.2/100,000 ballpark... Based on that, you can say that Serbia's homicide rate is 25% lower than ours or that ours is 33% higher than theirs :cool:
 
Approximately 72% of firearm related deaths are suicides & 27% are homicides. Rifles and shotguns account for only 23% of homicides. Why would anyone consider banning a rifle or shotgun based on colour, eg black? Rather than banning things, why not target those with a propensity towards violence or suicide and provide those people with the treatment they need? That would make the most sense. After all, when have you ever heard of a call for rope control or bans to reduce hangings?

Homicide & suicide has been on the decline for centuries. Focusing on the tool only distracts from the real issues - violence and suicide. Stats show that licensed gun owners aren't the problem. Misuse is anomalous. As such, gun control and gun confiscation have been a failure. When you think of bans, think of your heroin example or pot and how easy it still is to get it. Only the most law abiding people obey bans - the people who aren't and never were the problem. Sorry, I do not support your gun ban agenda. It's pure nonsense.
 
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I chuckle when people say they "don't worry" about home invasions.

Guess what? The victims of most home invasions also didn't worry before it happened. But it DOES happen. Folks win the lottery every week.

Most home invasions happen to drugs dens . Very few are innocent people . When that happens is when the criminals go to the wrong address .
 
I feel safe on the streets of Toronto .Where the only people carry guns are the police and criminals .

Only place I've seen a handgun in public other than on a cop was at a street festival in Toronto in some guy's waist band when he fixed his shirt.

Criminals don't use legal guns anyway so banning any guns isn't going to do much of anything in relation to gun violence.

I don't own a gun and never will but what you're proposing is just silly.
 
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Only place I've seen a handgun in public other than on a cop was at a street festival in Toronto in some guy's waist band when he fixed his shirt.

Criminals don't use legal guns anyway so banning any guns isn't going to do much of anything in relation to gun violence.

I don't own a gun and never will but what you're proposing is just silly.



True. 80% of all crimes are committed with guns smuggled into the country or stolen. Very, very few are from Canadian owners. Banning guns only hurts the law abiding people who use their guns properly.
 
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