Which gun should be banned next?

Don't tell me you are afraid the same would happen to you?

Getting murdered during a home invasion can happen to anyone, regardless of the motive for the invasion itself. A law-abiding citizen's basic human right to defense of his/her life/family shouldn't be infringed based on a motorcycle forum's member sliding scale of the country's crime rate.
 
Don't tell me you are afraid the same would happen to you?

String of home invasions complete with sexual assault in Etobicoke. This **** happens close to home, buddy. Take it or leave it.
 
Honestly, does anyone come near breaking even after paying for guns, ammo, hunting equipment, atv, pickup and gas to haul all the ****? Don't think so.

We have remote communities, not reachable by roads. All of the supplies need to get in by air freight. In those communities, many hunt to supplement their diet. We need those communities in order to maintain a land claim to more remote parts of Canada. I am not talking about city slicker fun hunting trips.
 
I'm kind of confused here the initial post by daught I interpreted as being sarcasm and that they were in fact pro-gun so why are we all throwing punches?
 
His first post was a troll dude.. pretty obvious

I'm kind of confused here the initial post by daught I interpreted as being sarcasm and that they were in fact pro-gun so why are we all throwing punches?
 
Seriously guys... My second comment was a joke... I thought most people would catch on.

Anyways, I can tell you by experience that you all have it easy, and that you are just finding excuses to own a gun. I grew up in Brazil, were you can get killed for a pair of shoes... Canada is not a dangerous place for you to need a gun.

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I just did the pal/rpal and my main intention is to get into pistol shooting and if I get good possibly competition(IPSC) and I have to agree everyone I tell about it gets into the whole personal protection thing. Meanwhile you are not even aloud to have a restricted weapon loaded in your home, not to mention your ammo has to be locked away separate from your gun. They get the totally wrong idea and mentality about firearms, everyone automatically think of personal protection when they hear handgun not sport or collection. So first of all if your restricted gun was even loaded ready for an intruder you have already broken the law.

And as far as banning weapons that look all black and tactical, I dont see the point of banning those types of guns. I doubt the statistic of legal gun owners using those types of firearms for bad intentions is as high as the criminals that dont care about lic and bans. Bottom line the gov can ban whatever they want, teens could still buy those guns and even worse ones illegally on the street. Its way easier to buy an illegal gun on the street.

Then you get into the whole thing where a hunting rifle can be just as dangerous as a assault type rifle it just doesnt look as tactical, and makes no sense. Just because it has wood grain on it its ok
 
Johnny, many cases have been tossed where gun owners used their guns in defense. Many more werent even charged. If you abide by the storage regs you'll most certainly be fine. Ultimately though, if someone is in your home at 3am are you gonna worry about the word of the law? Probably not.
 
Johnny, buy a handgun and get about 1000rds through it. Practice 2 hands, strong hand and weak hand. Once you get that under your belt, you'll be ready to take your black badge course for IPSC. PM me if you have any questions about it. I'm relatively new to the sport but know the basics. I can also direct you to where to buy your gear, what's good and what's bad. If you're gonna run in the Production division (cheapest to run in), your choices are basically Glock, M&P and Shadow. Unless the 2 plastic guns feel A LOT better in your hand, I'd stick with the Shadow - it's heavier, so better at absorbing recoil for faster followup shots.
 
Seriously guys... My second comment was a joke... I thought most people would catch on.

Anyways, I can tell you by experience that you all have it easy, and that you are just finding excuses to own a gun. I grew up in Brazil, were you can get killed for a pair of shoes... Canada is not a dangerous place for you to need a gun.

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I have enough reasons to own guns, and none of my reasons why are self defence... However, it's nice to have the right tool for the job. In fact, it's much more likely to get the job done (which is to protect yourself) without anyone getting hurt. Once you are no longer easy prey you're typically left alone, but a knife or a bat really won't deter too many people if they are intent on hurting you.

Nobody has the right to take away the freedom from legal gun owners. Legal gun owners are not the issue with guns being used in crimes, and as already stated, the fact that the next house someone busts in to may belong to someone that is ready to use their shot gun in defence can be a deterent. Once you take away someone's ability to fend for themselves, you create a dependant. I don't want to mess with calling 911 (seriously, it takes 2 minutes just to get put through to the right department) and then wait for the police to show up when someone is a threat then and there.
It's a full on lifestyle for some people... You're right, Canada isn't Brazil. But in my family we have this tradition (it's actually a very Canadian tradition once you're away from all the yuppies in the GTA), and that is an outdoors lifestyle. We grow up hunting, that's how we interact as a family, it's how we get out and experience life together. Part of my fear of guns being STOLEN by the government is the loss from a very important lifestyle. Seriously, guys like my dad would be lost and wouldn't know what to do. He's in the bush nearly every weekend.
I assume you think you're a hard core live or die never give it up rider (lots of people think they are), well take that passion and it's only a fraction of what people that come from families like mine feel about our right to own and use guns as they are a tool essential to the thing we love most.

Of all the people I personally know, that own multiple guns, the tally of guns would be pretty close to, if not more than 1000 and not one of those guns has ever been fired at someone.
Besides, most people talk the talk but they wouldn't have the stones to actually shoot somebody... That's a pretty big order to have on your mind. Considering I've been there, done that, I can tell you even when you are 100% justified and fully legal to do so, to pull that trigger with an aimed shot at another human being is not as easy as TV makes it look.

Before Vietnam, something like only 15% of shots taken by soldiers were purposely aimed shots, the rest was all to make it look like they were fighting. During Vietnam, that was raised to 95% of the shots were being purposely aimed. The difference was the military figured out how to train the mind to do it. Most people just aren't wired to kill.
I'm putting this out there for you to see that just because someone has a gun, it doesn't mean they are going to kill someone. Even when normal every day people (such as soldiers in WW1 and WW2 who were by todays standars just normal citizens thrown to war) are given the legal backing to kill someone else while being shot at would still prefer to not to shoot someone. Therefore, it's these legal, sane gun owners that are not the worry. The issue are the idiots who presumably have some form of mental issue and thus believe a life of violent crime is the way to go are the ones that guns are banned from and yet they still manage to attain them... Making it more illegal won't stop it, and all you're doing is taking them away from the people who you should actually want to have guns, as even them just owning guns and making people second guess breaking in to homes makes you a little bit safer, even if you don't own one yourself.
 
Johnny, many cases have been tossed where gun owners used their guns in defense. Many more werent even charged. If you abide by the storage regs you'll most certainly be fine. Ultimately though, if someone is in your home at 3am are you gonna worry about the word of the law? Probably not.

Yes Im sure you can win in court after a live and death situation but its not legal to use your gun for personal protection in Canada. At the coarse they said the number of licensed people in Canada to carry for protection is like 9 people total for gov agents etc. You cant just wave a gun in someones face just to scare them off

I am not worried about the law because I have no plans to use it for that, I am 33 and I made it this far without a gun....I dont "need" a gun I want one for sport shooting. Not even sure how I feel about hunting yet, because I dont eat game meat I dont have any real interest in killing animals...
 
Johnny, buy a handgun and get about 1000rds through it. Practice 2 hands, strong hand and weak hand. Once you get that under your belt, you'll be ready to take your black badge course for IPSC. PM me if you have any questions about it. I'm relatively new to the sport but know the basics. I can also direct you to where to buy your gear, what's good and what's bad. If you're gonna run in the Production division (cheapest to run in), your choices are basically Glock, M&P and Shadow. Unless the 2 plastic guns feel A LOT better in your hand, I'd stick with the Shadow - it's heavier, so better at absorbing recoil for faster followup shots.

Thanks my snapon dealer competes in IPSC, he got me interested in it after telling me all his stories about shootingat the big comps in places like europe
I believe he runs "race guns" as they are custom built, the parts he showed me were pretty amazing, CNC'd and lightened everywhere.
I was planning to buy a Glock for my first gun, but going by my other hobboes, I will probably end up with a few and get into the modding of them also.
I was also thinking of looking into what I would have to do to be able to legally offer Cerkote, since you need an oven and blasting it would be a good addition to the powder coating.

For me hand guns are the easier option right now, I used to be right hand right eye shooter, after my accident 2 years ago I lost a lot of vision in my right eye so I will now have to be a right hand left eye shooter. Very awkward for anything but a pistol unless it has aftermarket raised sights or an optic on it.
 
Try all 3 and then make a decision on which gun to get. I did and while I liked the Glock, Shadow suited me better. If you will be competing in Production, you can't refinish your guns - can't even blue out the scratches. Race guns don't come cheap and aren't something I'd carry (if we had the legal ability lol), so I decided to stick with the Production division instead. In any case, you'll be shooting both eyes open if you can - faster transitions between targets. If your right eye can discern shapes, I'd probably start out with both eyes open if I were you.
 
Yes Im sure you can win in court after a live and death situation but its not legal to use your gun for personal protection in Canada. At the coarse they said the number of licensed people in Canada to carry for protection is like 9 people total for gov agents etc. You cant just wave a gun in someones face just to scare them off

I am not worried about the law because I have no plans to use it for that, I am 33 and I made it this far without a gun....I dont "need" a gun I want one for sport shooting. Not even sure how I feel about hunting yet, because I dont eat game meat I dont have any real interest in killing animals...

Getting a gun for "personal protection" is not a valid reason in the eyes of the CFO. However, once you have the gun, you most certainly CAN use it for self-defense inside your own home. I don't really care what your instructors told you, this is a fact. Many PAL holders have used their guns in self-defense, in their homes. Some were (falsely) charged for improper storage, many more weren't charged with any wrong-doing at all.

Look up Basil Parasiris... that guy went as far as killing a cop when they busted down his door in the middle of the night for a search warrant. He was acquitted of all charges... and that's as extreme as such a case can possibly get. Just sayin'
 
Try all 3 and then make a decision on which gun to get. I did and while I liked the Glock, Shadow suited me better. If you will be competing in Production, you can't refinish your guns - can't even blue out the scratches. Race guns don't come cheap and aren't something I'd carry (if we had the legal ability lol), so I decided to stick with the Production division instead. In any case, you'll be shooting both eyes open if you can - faster transitions between targets. If your right eye can discern shapes, I'd probably start out with both eyes open if I were you.

Yeah the Glock is more for personal preference due to brand name and design/style, kinda like how everyone wants a GSXR for their first bike even thou they have never even sat on one...I dont think I would use that for competition, I would buy something more suited for IPSC if I get into it. Another member on here has offered for let me come out with them and shoot their 17 before I buy one. These things are like $1000 at that price this is a cheap hobby compared to motorcycles LOL

Same with the cerakote its not for the competition side, its just something I would like to offer if I can. As I said I would like to get into modding, so cerakote is something I would want to do for myself and others if possible...
 
Getting a gun for "personal protection" is not a valid reason in the eyes of the CFO. However, once you have the gun, you most certainly CAN use it for self-defense inside your own home. I don't really care what your instructors told you, this is a fact. Many PAL holders have used their guns in self-defense, in their homes. Some were (falsely) charged for improper storage, many more weren't charged with any wrong-doing at all.

Look up Basil Parasiris... that guy went as far as killing a cop when they busted down his door in the middle of the night for a search warrant. He was acquitted of all charges... and that's as extreme as such a case can possibly get. Just sayin'

Ok so if I filled out the application and where it asked reason for applying sport, hunting, etc etc If I checked off personal protection would I get the lic? Or would I be denied?

You dont have to tell me about getting away with something in court after the fact, but that doesn't make it legal. What if court doesnt go your way, then what? What if they dont believe you life was truly threatened?
 
Ok so if I filled out the application and where it asked reason for applying sport, hunting, etc etc If I checked off personal protection would I get the lic? Or would I be denied?

You dont have to tell me about getting away with something in court after the fact, but that doesn't make it legal. What if court doesnt go your way, then what? What if they dont believe you life was truly threatened?

Re-read the post, I said the CFO doesn't see personal protection as a valid reason. If you entered that, you're not getting your guns, period. The CFO makes their own rules, however. Just because they won't give you a licence doesn't mean shooting someone in self-defense is illegal. It's not. You are allowed to use deadly force if you fear for your life.

There is enough precedent out there that any lawyer will make easy work of it, if it even goes to court. Considering the current political climate and ramblings about our property and defence laws getting stronger (in our favour) you likely won't see a court room. And if you do, there's no way you're losing. Someone is in your home in the middle of the night.. call 911, leave the line open, shout for the person to leave and stand your ground. You're telling me you won't go for your gun because you MIGHT get charged? I highly doubt that. ;)
 
You can also try out my Shadow. I mostly shoot at BRRC.
 
Re-read the post, I said the CFO doesn't see personal protection as a valid reason. If you entered that, you're not getting your guns, period.

There is enough precedent out there that any lawyer will make easy work of it, if it even goes to court. Considering the current political climate and ramblings about our property and defence laws getting stronger (in our favour) you likely won't see a court room. And if you do, there's no way you're losing. Someone is in your home in the middle of the night.. call 911, leave the line open, shout for the person to leave and stand your ground. You're telling me you won't go for your gun because you MIGHT get charged? I highly doubt that. ;)

Depends on situation I cant say what I would or wouldnt do because I have never been in that situation....That being said when some people get hit, they dont hit back its just not in them....Problem is you dont really know until the situation arises. So yeah having never owned a firearm and having never been put in a situation like that I cant say what I would do.
 
Fair enough. Im pretty sure you'll understand when you have a gun. You can store it as per regulations but still have it and the ammo readily accessible. They can all be stored in a safe together, in your bedroom if you choose so, loaded mags and everything. Nobody ever invaded my house either, but I know the first thing I'd do is head for the safe.
 
Fair enough. Im pretty sure you'll understand when you have a gun. You can store it as per regulations but still have it and the ammo readily accessible. They can all be stored in a safe together, in your bedroom if you choose so, loaded mags and everything. Nobody ever invaded my house either, but I know the first thing I'd do is head for the safe.

At the coarse they said for restricted the ammo and gun can be stored in the same cabinet/safe, but that the ammo has to be either looked in a separate cabinet/safe or in the same but in a separate locked case etc...... So is that true or false
 
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