When does WW III start?

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It seems everyone has forgotten the CNN news showing the Muslims and Islamic men celebrating and burning flags in the streets the day after the attack on the the World Trade Centres.
Were they were just showing their "moral superiority"?

In any event, I think its time for the U.S and Canada to close its doors to those countries that hate us.
Let them kill each other and fight their own wars.
We have enough of our own oil, so that argument is irrelevant.
 
macrider said:
It seems everyone has forgotten the CNN news showing the Muslims and Islamic men celebrating and burning flags in the streets the day after the attack on the the World Trade Centres.
Were they were just showing their "moral superiority"?

In any event, I think its time for the U.S and Canada to close its doors to those countries that hate us.
Let them kill each other and fight their own wars.
We have enough of our own oil, so that argument is irrelevant.
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It's long overdue.
If they had their way, we would all be dead 10x over.
 
macrider said:
In any event, I think its time for the U.S and Canada to close its doors to those countries that hate us.
Let them kill each other and fight their own wars.
We have enough of our own oil, so that argument is irrelevant.
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You know not all of them think this way. I have some Persian employees who are from Iran and absolutely hate the government there. They love canada because of the freedoms they get here. They said since the king lost power there the government has gone to **** and abused everything. What you see a small minority.

No, I'm not muslim or from that area of the world.

FYI, not everyone wants to move to Canada or U.S. anymore. Before it was great to move here because there were jobs and opportunities (to become a taxi driver for doctors), but those don't exist as much anymore.
 
LiNK666 said:
You know not all of them think this way. I have some Persian employees who are from Iran and absolutely hate the government there. They love canada because of the freedoms they get here. They said since the king lost power there the government has gone to **** and abused everything. What you see a small minority.

No, I'm not muslim or from that area of the world.

FYI, not everyone wants to move to Canada or U.S. anymore. Before it was great to move here because there were jobs and opportunities (to become a taxi driver for doctors), but those don't exist as much anymore.
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That's true, they're called Infidels by their own people.
 
AGAVE said:
That's true, they're called Infidels by their own people.
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Yep. Those that stand up and do the right thing get decapitated or their head blown off with an AK and left in the street for their family to bury.
And I know this from first hand experience.
 
We have largest Iranian population outside of Iran in the world. Doesn't seem like there is any issue with that. Just saying.
 
OpenGambit said:
We have largest Iranian population outside of Iran in the world. Doesn't seem like there is any issue with that. Just saying.
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Not yet anyways....
Considering Islamic temples outnumber churches, i'd be weary, the tables might turn one day.
 
OpenGambit said:
We have largest Iranian population outside of Iran in the world. Doesn't seem like there is any issue with that. Just saying.
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Third actually. The USA has the most with the highest concentration of them in the Westwood area of L.A. (Little Persia) then Dubai.
 
AGAVE said:
Not yet anyways....
Considering Islamic temples outnumber churches, i'd be weary, the tables might turn one day.
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Why does it have to turn? Why do they have to be the aggressor or rather, why do we have to be the aggressor. Why not just let them do their own **** and we do our.
 
The sooner the U.S, Canada, Britain and all the other allied nations pull out and leave these fruitcake countries to their own devices the better.
The U.S has done it before, but admittedly it is harder to do now with the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism

Stop all immigration from these countries, the ones that are here now better behave. If not ship them back to where they came from, or if they commit a terrorist act then execute them.

I know I sound like a racist *** but if we end up going to war and it gets serious all of you will be thinking the same way.
 
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What, you believe that US and Britain and Canada are there for altruistic reasons? please....there are natural resources and political chess playing at play here and that is the only reason the West is there...

macrider said:
The sooner the U.S, Canada, Britain and all the other allied nations pull out and leave these fruitcake countries to their own devices the better.
The U.S has done it before, but admittedly it is harder to do now with the internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism

Stop all immigration from these countries, the ones that are here now better behave. If not ship them back to where they came from, or if they commit a terrorist act then execute them.

I know I sound like a racist *** but if we end up going to war and it gets serious all of you will be thinking the same way.
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No I never said I believe that they are there for altruistic reasons. We have enough of our own oil to look after ourselves in North America
 
rmemedic said:
Yep. Those that stand up and do the right thing get decapitated or their head blown off with an AK and left in the street for their family to bury.
And I know this from first hand experience.
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Well, "the right thing" from our perspective may not be "the right thing" from your typical Afghan's perspective. He sees us as foreign invaders (which we are) and he wants us out of his country. I understand the sentiment, coming from a Christian country that was under Islam for 500 years. During those 500 years, there were plenty of people who took to the hills, fought the invaders, robbed their caravans, raided their mansions. They were the core of the 2 rebellions with which the Turks got kicked out of the country. The invaders saw them as "bandits, terrorists and insurgents" while the locals saw them as "freedom-fighters." You can imagine what happened to the collaborators.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Well, "the right thing" from our perspective may not be "the right thing" from your typical Afghan's perspective. He sees us as foreign invaders (which we are) and he wants us out of his country. I understand the sentiment, coming from a Christian country that was under Islam for 500 years. During those 500 years, there were plenty of people who took to the hills, fought the invaders, robbed their caravans, raided their mansions. They were the core of the 2 rebellions with which the Turks got kicked out of the country. The invaders saw them as "bandits, terrorists and insurgents" while the locals saw them as "freedom-fighters." You can imagine what happened to the collaborators.
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Part of my job overseas was OMLT and POMLT operations... Essentially I was working first hand with their police and military with a mentoring team to get them ready to look after their own country. Those guys were there to get the Taliban out. So many of them have stories of things that have happened to their families.
I don't care where you are from, parading a headless corpse around in the bed of a pickup strapped to the light bars isn't the right thing to do in ANY religion... But I experienced that as well.

I was in the home of a "retired" school teacher... Well, not so much retired as he had his school destroyed by the Taliban because he refused to follow their extremist rules for teaching. He believed the girls deserved education, and he pushed the kids to not support Taliban. He spoke pretty good english (obviously was an educated man) and I had about 12 hours with the guy, he offered me food from his home.

I have many first hand accounts from interacting with locals. Most of them want a Taliban free life. I've walked those alleys and streets and I've seen how ****** it is there. I feel so bad for those kids. And it's sad to know that most of the world lives in poverty like that... We are one lucky country.

I don't know if you've ever heard of the term "Man love Thursday". It's what we call their Thursday night "fun". Which usually consists of raping boys for their own pleasure... Think it doesn't happen? I KNOW it does and it's common. We had one helper in our camp that would come in beaten up weekly, and when I finally got him to talk to me, I found out why... He tried to stand up for himself and not be raped.
Oh, and this is something very common there and something there is no punishment for. How is this allowed in any society??

It's so hard to say what the "typical" Afghan really is. In the Cities they know who the Canadians are. They know who the Americans are. In the "rural" areas they still think it's the Russians over there.
No, they don't want war there, but most of them get it that the reasoning for these foreign countries being there is to get the Taliban out.

I don't want to get all political and crap, but I've talked first hand to the people in that country, and I've seen their normal way of life.
I don't care what religion you are, and you can have whatever beliefs you want to. But, when you start to harm others and use your religion as a reasoning to it, then I have an issue.

Not directed at you, I'm just sort of saying it how it is, from someone that has been there and interacted directly with them.
 
For those who would understandably not know this, Iranians are very different than Arabs (although many people think they the same, theyre absolutely not). Iranians are MUCH less religious (if at all) as you find maybe one or two Iranian mosques in all pf GTA. Those who are from the North York or Richmondhill ares where there are more Persians know that you have a hard time finding them with islamic scarves or long beards. Most Persians escaped Iran and came here to live in a non-religious and a more secular country. I know the CNN and FOX and the rest of them like to portray Iranians as hardcore religious people to serve their own interest but if you look for yourselves, youll find only a very small per portion of the Persian community is religious. Most majority of them make an extra effort NOT to be associated with Islam at all. Its Islam that has made them run away to Canada and other western countries. I dont want to generalize too much but most of the mosques that you see around the GTA and the men and women dressed in obviously Islamic clothing (the long white dresses for men) and the long beard are from Pakistan or Arabic countries. Not saying whos good or bad, just making a point for those who dont know the Persian culture or their tendencies.
 
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ashkan said:
For those who would understandably not know this, Iranians are very different than Arabs (although many people think they the same, theyre absolutely not). Iranians are MUCH less religious (if at all) as you find maybe one or two Iranian mosques in all pf GTA. Those who are from the North York or Richmondhill ares where there are more Persians know that you have a hard time finding them with islamic scarves or long beards. Most Persians escaped Iran and came here to live in a non-religious and a more secular country. I know the CNN and FOX and the rest of them like to portray Iranians as hardcore religious people to serve their own interest but if you look for yourselves, youll find only a very small per portion of the Persian community is religious. Most majority of them make an extra effort NOT to be associated with Islam at all. Its Islam that has made them run away to Canada and other western countries. I dont want to generalize too much but most of the mosques that you see around the GTA and the men and women dressed in obviously Islamic clothing (the long white dresses for men) and the long beard are from Pakistan or Arabic countries. Not saying whos good or bad, just making a point for those who dont know the Persian culture or their tendencies.
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I live in North York in the Yonge/Shep area so I totally know what you are saying. Its not hard to see your point as I see some seriously hot persian chicks at the gym all made up with flaunting them voluptuous curves. What I also notice though is that many of the Iranians in the area appear to be very wealthy. They seem to mostly drive luxury cars (higher end BMWs, mercs, lexus etc..)and its not uncommon for me to see Audi R8's and even Ferrari's & Lambos.

That leads me to wonder whether the Iranian population in Toronto (or specifically North York/Richmond HIll) really accurately represent what Iranians are all about?

Many of the ones that "escaped" Iran appear to be the affluent, wealthy, educated ones. Usually with most religions, the affluent tend to be more cultured and so exhibit less extreme relgious behavior. Not always but I tend to think so. It's the poor common folk that probably that can't leave the country that probably cling to religion the most... Relgion is key at helping those in despair cope with how crappy and unfair life can be.
 
rmemedic said:
Not directed at you, I'm just sort of saying it how it is, from someone that has been there and interacted directly with them.
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I understand and I'm not saying that you're not doing good from our perspective... The thing is that we went in, took out the government in power, put in one of our own and are training their public officials in our methodologies and our values. Most people would prefer to live in their own crap than to have a different life imposed on them. That's why communism never got universal acceptance across the globe. Joe Dirt saying "you won't tell me how to spend my millions" as he takes a dump in a bucket in his trailer.

You raised the point of people that you talked to telling you how much they'd prefer having us running the show over the Taliban. Remember that those are people who took the trouble to learn English and are willing to talk to the invading soldiers. The same types are the old guys who speak fluent Russian and who told Soviet soldiers how much they love the Soviet brand of communism. There will always be a few, but if the Taliban were detested to the point the the locals you talk to want you to believe, they would have either become reformed moderates or hanging ornaments for the local trees.

Yes, it's crap down there. It could have been a lot better had we not supported the Taliban in the first place and yes the Taliban is to blame for what's going on over there, but right now, most of the locals will be celebrating when we leave and you can imagine what'll happen to the collaborators. The same thing that happened to the Vichy regime members in France. Eventually, we'll have to let them sort out their own mess. The only other alternative is to depopulate the region and bring in replacement humans.
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