When does WW III start?

I think not very far, China is growing and so is Russia, the American giant is coming to a halt with the economic problems. As every empire before it, it has expanded beyond its resources and will face similar problems like every other empire did. I see a bi-polar world coming back again where all the shots are not called by the Americans any-more.
One of the biggest problems that will be faced by most countries is resources. Since our appetite in this consumer based society has reached unparallel proportions, unless ofcourse we go back to being normal days, humans will continue to fight over them bringing much harm to humanity. One must remember how Germany from being the epitome of western civilization that produced the likes of Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Karl Marx, Fredrick Engels, Sigmund Freud, Immanuel Kant, Martin Heidegger, Klaus Fuchs, Max planck etc descended into Nazism within a few years of war and social strife.
One must see the parallel in US of A where after the election of Obama Militas exploded all over. According to SPLC from 149 to 1200 which is an increase of 755%.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/z_Personal/Huus/Year in Hate IR145.pdf

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-08/news/31137657_1_splc-annual-report-groups

Point being once the economic collapse starts to show its strongest signs there will be a big rebellion, most likely resulting in a big chaos, Possibly breaking up of America as we know it.
Then you have the middle east burning, where a lot of dictators have been removed, armies dismantled in some circumstance which can spell big issues there. Now given Israel which didn't sign the non proliferation treaty is on Iran;s case, and wants America to jump in as they can not single handedly take out that country's plants and sustain a blow back, problems are only beginning.
Syria is another problem where China/Russia Vs. Arab dictators/Nato/America is being played out. China is fast expanding into Africa, including western Asia with defence pacts etc causing Alarm in the white house. I believe soon we will see blood in the streets of Europe as they have been living beyond their means for too long. Greece is the microcosm of what will most likely happen in Europe. The neo Nazi Party is on the rise, suicide all time high, immigrants being attacked and illegal ones deported.

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/articles/2012/09/17/reportage-01

grew from 0.29 to 6.97%. Give it some time, as people begin to lose jobs, homes, businesses they will want to blame someone for their problems. Certainly it cant be how they managed their country, lived beyond their means paying almost no taxes etc, hence it would either be another country, immigrants etc etc.

I do not believe in the Dark Knight scenario where both boats do not press the trigger to blow each other up. I am more into how stuff happened in "the Mist"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0884328/

Where people lose their rationality and begin to act insane due to lack of resources and hope. I think it might not be as bad but you never know. Yugoslavia is a good example of how it can go, where people killed, pillaged and raped their own neighbours in the name of nationalism/religion etc.

I think Chris Hedges is more accurate on how things will be falling apart, though i do not share a lot of his other understandings.

Lets hope for the best.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
I'm hoping after this year just to prove the Mayans wrong :cool:

Realistically, I think it's gonna happen once the US collapses due to self-inflicted internal and external pressures, so probably within a decade. That's assuming their surveillance/crowd control development doesn't outpace the nation's ruin. Why do you think they're putting up all the drones in home skies right now? They already smell the unrest of the starving peons. Might start with a civil war down there, but then you'll have China, Russia and Europe vying to become successors. South America will most likely remain neutral and sell their resources to all sides.
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Those bastards are always neutral! :mad: Joke aside, it's maybe time for me to get a civi job :p
 
[h=1]Alex Jones FAIL: attack on Iran edition [/h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW8TL4zQMeQ
 
vince492 said:
Those bastards are always neutral! :mad: Joke aside, it's maybe time for me to get a civi job :p
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I'm married to one of those bastards, so I have an out :D
 
You know y'all sound like the bible right?

Every generation thinks their generation will be the one to witness the end of days.

LOL

Crackpot Y2K part II...

Must be horrible to live life in constant fear of everything. :rolleyes:
 
D23 said:
You know y'all sound like the bible right?

Every generation thinks their generation will be the one to witness the end of days.
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It's not about the end of days, but we're overdue for a major armed conflict, plus there were many technological advancement in mass extermination of humans since the last one. Some legitimate concerns are being raised and the conditions are pretty "good" for a global conflict to develop. I'm the same guy who said "Iran's next" as soon as the invasion of Iraq started, and based on the current propaganda campaign, it looks like I'm (unfortunately) right.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
It's not about the end of days, but we're overdue for a major armed conflict, plus there were many technological advancement in mass extermination of humans since the last one. Some legitimate concerns are being raised and the conditions are pretty "good" for a global conflict to develop. I'm the same guy who said "Iran's next" as soon as the invasion of Iraq started, and based on the current propaganda campaign, it looks like I'm (unfortunately) right.
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+1
If u look back in history. The human population was always curbed by wars and diseases. We haven't had any major plague in a while or any major war. Look at the world population now.

Also from a biological standpoint, any organism that has outgrown it's habitat is bound to find some problems. Some fishes when put in an overpopulated aquarium start killing themselves.

In short, nature has a way or controlling things
 
FiReSTaRT said:
It's not about the end of days, but we're overdue for a major armed conflict, plus there were many technological advancement in mass extermination of humans since the last one. Some legitimate concerns are being raised and the conditions are pretty "good" for a global conflict to develop. I'm the same guy who said "Iran's next" as soon as the invasion of Iraq started, and based on the current propaganda campaign, it looks like I'm (unfortunately) right.
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Iran is not Iraq.

Go in there and you will be handed your *** in short order.

Personally I think we should leave them alone. They want nuclear power, so be it. it's not our place to say they can't have it.

They want Nuclear weapons? Same thing. The US has had it and has used it twice (not counting testing) so they should STFU.

Iran can go broke on a weapons program just like the Russians did or the can power their country with it.

None of our god damn business.
 
D23 said:
Iran is not Iraq.

Go in there and you will be handed your *** in short order.

Personally I think we should leave them alone. They want nuclear power, so be it. it's not our place to say they can't have it.

They want Nuclear weapons? Same thing. The US has had it and has used it twice (not counting testing) so they should STFU.

Iran can go broke on a weapons program just like the Russians did or the can power their country with it.

None of our god damn business.
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I agree with every single point you made in your post. Too bad certain interests, along with their bought and paid for US and Israeli politicans don't. If we attack Iran (and there's a good chance we'll join the US attack on them as Harper's still crying over us not having gone into Iraq), there'll be hell to pay from China and Russia. That is a very realistic conflict scenario.
 
Quite frankly there is a palpable appetite for WW3. During the Cold War people feared WW3. It took 2 WWs to build up to that fear. "The Great War" was not enough and within 21 years the European superpowers were right at it again. Prior to the "Great War", the 1800s were filled with increasingly building low intensity wars and skirmishes, but generally restrained by a fear of all out continental war such as the Napoleonic wars. This fear of a rise of central Europe was enshrined in the Treat of Paris (1815). Central Europe rose, but this time it was not France, rather the first Reich. Germany was brutally supressed and Britain, France and Russia made massive aggressive land grabs in the Middle East for oil resources.

The point is the negative conotations of the Napoleonic Wars (even in Europes home, let alone back yard) had worn away. What was left was a new appetite for aggression, war and proffit. Even the Great War didn't dampen it, because the victors made out like bandits!

It wasn't until WW2 where a bitter resurgent Germany sought to punish everyone and caught the other nations off guard. There was no real advantage to any other nation in WW2 except Germany itself, once again contrary to the established spirit of the treaty of Paris (1815) to supress any central European power to preserve the power of Britain! Check it out.

WW2 erroded the appetite for war, and since then wars have been fairly low intensity, isolated, virtual skirmishes. Also wars have been kept santized from the public. Conscription or the draft was abolished for a career volunteer soldier army where individuals have a low tolerence for risk and seek proffit...basically a job.

But the tide is turning and the appetite for war is increasing. Americans are increasingly quick to initiate battles, quick to dismiss death tolls, quick to use increasingly santized methods of warfare (proxy troops, mercenaries, drones, puppet regimes). They have made waging war more acceptable to their society and convinced their people sustained prolonged war in the Middle East is normal. The US has now been at a virtual steady state of war in the Middle east since 1991!!!! The have managed to convince their population that 22 years of war with a weak, ineffectual region is normal!!!

The problem now is 3 fold:

1) Americans are used to war because they think it cannot touch them at home. They will gladly join any new war with a rebel yell.
2) The current enemy (Muslim World) is so used to war with the US, that it too is normal, and rage is increasing. The war has been brought to them and it now affects virtually every Middle Eastern state. There is very little to lose now and much more to gain with violent opposition to the US. There doesn't exist the Soviet / US option anymore, and the region no longer sees the US as its ally.
3) China and Russia are growing and seek resources. A war of proffit for them, or expansion is coming soon. They have not tasted war in nearly 60 years and have plenty of extra male soldiers / aggression / bravado to spare. Japan is seen as a 2 fold enemy; 1) as a former colonial abusive power and 2) as a weak capitulating US underling. Same for the Philipines and Korea. China will begin to exercise region influence shortly, which on the face of it, it has more right to do, then an Anglo nation half a world away. China has suffered at the hands of the British, then Japanese, and will not likely suffer at the hands of the Americans much further. The Eastern Alliance's appetite for war is on the rise.

The interesting thing about the Middle East, is that it has become accepted as a direct or proxy battle ground. Other nations can get their feet wet, test equipment, test troops etc in this region without poltical or significant troop losses. I refer as an example to Germany's and Japan's lifting of a WW2 era prohibition to have troops on foreign soil. Both countries seized the opportunity to breach these treaty rules to set a future precedent. Not that these 2 countries will be major players in WW3, but it demonstrates America's willingness to break convention enlist any party it can into a war. The Middle East is viewed as a distant sanitized testing ground. The Middle East also serves as a bulwark against China's regional expansion. The US is defacto lighting the oil fields on fire the way Saddam did. The US is seeking independence from ME oil, exploring at home, to the extent of not even requiring expensive tar-sands oil from Canada, while also engaging in extensive wars in the ME. The key here is to sabotage the region for Russia and China while securing safe, protected oil in the US.

WW3 will have 2 fronts, the ME and South China Sea. The US has already positoned their naval fleets in both regions and is raising their proxy armies (one is a proxy of a proxy - a chaotic raging warzone that is the Middle East, loose, un affiliated, tide shifting loyalties of various terrorist groups who will attack anything in site, while puppet regimes cater to the US. China and Russia will not enter into that battle zone! The other proxy army being India. America has technical superiority but lacks troops and the logistics to keep a large standing army close to China. So America has approached, after previously sanctioning India for nuclear weapons, and now cultivated their nuclear program. The US will manipulate India to fight China on a 3rd land front. India is Anglo centric and enough of an Anglo "trend jocky" to hop right on board with this plan. All the US has to do, is nurture Pakistan into a larger threat, while convincing India China is an economical resource hungry threat on the other side. India will very quickly join the Anglo Alliance (US, Britain, Australia, Canada, Japan, Korea).

Europe will be sucked into this via some NATA "stand with us or against us" guilt trip but will largely be a token participant and their economies will crumble. The world is already banking on their consumer and economic abilities to rapodly decline and it really isn't affecting anyone else. They will become increasingly marginalized and used more for moral support in a divided UN.

Souther Africa will escape largely unscathed, where as South America will take the opportunity to take pot shots at the US and rise while the US is otherwise occupied. They could also form a later strategic launch pad into the American homeland via Mexico if the war turns in the East's favour and Latin America sees an advantage to switching alligeneces.

The drug trade will boom in Mexico as America weakens and economic strife has more people turning to drugs as resources are diverted away from the "drug war". Mexican drug cartels may factor into a later American ground invasion if they gain political power influence through the drug industry. Columbia too may seek to weaken the US by exploiting the cocain trade.

Either way, whether I am right or wrong, there is certainly a hunger for war, and a paradigm shift underway which makes for a volatile mix.
 
I just don't necessarily see India being a proxy for the US. Remember that the main enemies will be Russia and China. India has close ties with Russia and even some joint military development with them. Plus, Russia and China are chummy, but India has a mildly bad history with China, so I see India as a non-factor in the conflict, just protecting their own. They're not that NATO-friendly.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
I just don't necessarily see India being a proxy for the US. Remember that the main enemies will be Russia and China. India has close ties with Russia and even some joint military development with them. Plus, Russia and China are chummy, but India has a mildly bad history with China, so I see India as a non-factor in the conflict, just protecting their own. They're not that NATO-friendly.
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What if Pakistan goes "Nuclear Rogue". Say a "terrorist" group gets its hands on a bomb? Proxy black flag op?
 
FiReSTaRT said:
I just don't necessarily see India being a proxy for the US. Remember that the main enemies will be Russia and China. India has close ties with Russia and even some joint military development with them. Plus, Russia and China are chummy, but India has a mildly bad history with China, so I see India as a non-factor in the conflict, just protecting their own. They're not that NATO-friendly.
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i blame this for that..

[video=youtube;-qtrAMK7_Qk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtrAMK7_Qk[/video]
 
GBU 57A\B MOP

Pretty much a "we're coming" since it's now called an Iran Enima.

Boeing just finished production of these for the low low price of $330 Mil and have tested one apparently.


massive-ordnance-penetrator-mop-gbu-57ab-1.jpg
 
D23 said:
GBU 57A\B MOP

Pretty much a "we're coming" since it's now called an Iran Enima.

Boeing just finished production of these for the low low price of $330 Mil and have tested one apparently.


massive-ordnance-penetrator-mop-gbu-57ab-1.jpg
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5 tons heavier than than the current "mother of all bombs"!

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/16/business/la-fi-bunker-buster-bomb-20111117
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator

Wonder what generates more money for Boeing...bombs and missles or planes? Gotta love the war machine, errr I mean civilian aviation business. The war machine is fully integrated and integral in American society and lifestyles.

But there is still hope, as GE was steered away from its long standing participation in nuclear proliferation!
http://www.dontbankonthebomb.com/2012/02/28/general-electric-boycott/
 
EngineerJoe said:
Iran has not attacked any country since 1798? Weren't they in a war with Iraq in the 80's?
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The Iraqi dictator, who seized power in 1979 (Saddam Hussein) was financially, politically and militarily, and intell supported by the US to attack Iran within 6 months of taking power. The US also secretly supplied weapons to a desperate Iran at the height of the 8 year war via Israel. The US was secretly supplying the "enemy" to make profit off both sides (refer to the Iran Contra Affair and research the fall guy Oliver North. Regan at the time claimed he "didn't know what he was signing" so Oliver North took all the blame!!!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

So no Iran hasn't attacked ANYONE in over 200 years!!!
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