ever since they were allowed to retain a portion of the fines collected, or property confiscated, the police there have been in direct conflict of interest and have become revenue generators
What rifle should I buy?
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ever since they were allowed to retain a portion of the fines collected, or property confiscated, the police there have been in direct conflict of interest and have become revenue generators
Red_Liner740
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Thousand bucks for a chinese made tuperware? only reason its so much is the hype....I'd much rather have the Norinco AR-15 if it was NR.
i'm a lefty so bullpups dont work for me.
i'm a lefty so bullpups dont work for me.
If it's on the par with their AR clone, then it's definitely a possibility. I like bullpups and I'm a righty so no issues there. They can produce quality items when they wanna and in this case it's the semi-auto version of their standard issue infantry rifle, so I don't expect it to be tupperware. One thing I dislike is the carry handle, but even that can and will be worked with.
Motorcycle Mike
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While not yet available in Canada, and also not on my short list of guns to buy, does anyone here know about the TNW Aero Survival Rifle?
I had something similar way, way back that fired .22LR. The whole thing disassembled and could be stored into the butt stock
If this is anything similar, it'll be a fun plinker but not much more, especially with the use of just pistol cartridges and the short barrel. The fact that it can use 10 rd pistol mags is a plus.
looks like a cool "toy" though, and probably a lot of fun in a wooded lot up north somewhere, but not a "real" rifle.
If this is anything similar, it'll be a fun plinker but not much more, especially with the use of just pistol cartridges and the short barrel. The fact that it can use 10 rd pistol mags is a plus.
looks like a cool "toy" though, and probably a lot of fun in a wooded lot up north somewhere, but not a "real" rifle.
Motorcycle Mike
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Yeah, I know it would be useless for hunting. That's why it is possibly on my long list, not the short one. Was the AR-7 the 22 you had? I am considering a Marlin Papoose or a 10/22 ruger td for my 22... so I can tuck it into a backpack and take it camping.
No **** eh? Heh...I had no idea. Never been searched heading out or coming in. I'm always with one or 2 American friends though. Maybe that's why...?
Red_Liner740
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Hey Mike, i have an AR-7 but didnt bring it out to the range that day. If you can get a papoose or a 10/22 takedown, go for it over the AR-7.
Just an update re: my Norinco M305 (M14 semi-auto clone): I did get someone to re-index the barrel with the receiver of my Norinco M305 and took it to the range recently.
Now that things are sitting (more-or-less) straight on it and with the reassurances of someone experienced with these rifles telling me they are safe to shoot, I can say that the rifle is actually nice to shoot, and shoots reasonably well. There were no mechanical issues while firing and it operated flawlessly. The smoothness of the action actually improved after putting several rounds through it. I guess it had to be broken in.
For $500 delivered, it's not a bad purchase for a full-size, military grade (read: rugged and cheaply made) battle rifle. Unfortunately, the cheapest 7.62 NATO/.308 Win ammo I could find was still a buck a shot.
Good luck on your rifle choice, Diesel.
Now that things are sitting (more-or-less) straight on it and with the reassurances of someone experienced with these rifles telling me they are safe to shoot, I can say that the rifle is actually nice to shoot, and shoots reasonably well. There were no mechanical issues while firing and it operated flawlessly. The smoothness of the action actually improved after putting several rounds through it. I guess it had to be broken in.
For $500 delivered, it's not a bad purchase for a full-size, military grade (read: rugged and cheaply made) battle rifle. Unfortunately, the cheapest 7.62 NATO/.308 Win ammo I could find was still a buck a shot.
Good luck on your rifle choice, Diesel.
You can always get into reloading.. That will bring it down to about 20c a shot and improve your accuracy and that's if you buy pre-made bullets and don't cast them. My next rifle will be a poodle-shooter, planning on this one:
http://www.theammosource.com/index....d=2118&zenid=442d5dd4dbe37de449deeb7cdbc46419
Best bang for the buck in a non-restricted bullpup
http://www.theammosource.com/index....d=2118&zenid=442d5dd4dbe37de449deeb7cdbc46419
Best bang for the buck in a non-restricted bullpup
That was my plan. Didn't know much about reloading though. Didn't realize cost/round could go so low with reloading.
Reloading 9mm is about 15c per round. I just looked at projectile prices. It looks like bullets start at 16-17c a pop and the sky's the limit. You can get reasonably good boattails in the 25c range. The powder and the primers are non-factors in the pricing, so you're looking at about 30-40c http://www.budgetshootersupply.ca/catalog/30_Caliber_308_40.cfm
rmemedic
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When I was a kid, I would sit for hours at the work bench reloading shotgun shells. I'm sure I would still enjoy doing so if I had the set up. My dad does his rifle rounds, but that's just for the accuracy.
Red_Liner740
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I reload for 8mm mauser. A very similar round to 308. You will NOT get it down to 20c a round on 308. Even on 223 with great price on projectiles and free brass im at 25c a round. 308 uses about 45 grains of powder. Just did some quick match and with the lowest prices of powder in the 25$/lb range its 18c in powder alone. 3c per primer and about 30c a projectile. Factor in cost of reloading and time spent and youll realize quickly its a hobby if you like doing it and if you want to custom tailor a load. With that said IF you have the time and patience i say go for it. I know i love reloading.
You can always get into reloading.. That will bring it down to about 20c a shot and improve your accuracy and that's if you buy pre-made bullets and don't cast them. My next rifle will be a poodle-shooter, planning on this one:
http://www.theammosource.com/index....d=2118&zenid=442d5dd4dbe37de449deeb7cdbc46419
Best bang for the buck in a non-restricted bullpup
How do you know its the best bang for buck? Are they being reviewed positively?
I hate Chinese stuff. I dont like their designs, their manufacturing, and their quality control. Id rather spend twice as much on something from any other country. The beauty with guns is that you can almost always recoup your money on the used market... so buying something expensive doesnt mean youve lost the money.
Then again Tavors are like 3 grand so bullpup choices are severely limited.
I tend to buy guns for the long term now, and I only buy what I think will a) last and b) serve some purpose. My fascination with firearms as a hobby has dwindled.
Motorcycle Mike
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I've now done the firearms course, and now it's the waiting game.
I also got my hunting license and my brother-in-law invited me to his hunting spots next open season. Since his wmu is in Southern Ontario, my first two guns will be a shotgun (rem870 or moss500) and a 22lr.
My range guns will have to wait 'till later.
I also got my hunting license and my brother-in-law invited me to his hunting spots next open season. Since his wmu is in Southern Ontario, my first two guns will be a shotgun (rem870 or moss500) and a 22lr.
My range guns will have to wait 'till later.
Congrats! My suggestion for the .22 is the Mk II G if you don't mind bolt-action. Best initial bang for the buck if you need accuracy.
Norcs have gone a long way since the early 1990's.. Their AR platform is well-reviewed by everyone and their 1911's are among the best platforms for a build due to the steel quality. This is a civvie version of their military assault rifle, so it shares many of the components and they've had close to 2 decades to iron out the kinks. Even the original 97 was well reviewed by those who got to shoot it before the confiscations. I could get an AR, even a domestically manufactured AR at the same price point but it would be restricted (don't wanna worry about trigger locks and the definition of "reasonably direct route") and not a bullpup. When it comes to bullpups, there are no other choices within the price ballpark. Worst case scenario, if I don't like it (worried about the safety and mag changes for competition use), I can sell it for close to what I paid for it and keep the LAR-15 mags that I already ordered for an AR instead. Even if I had the 2 extra G's to tie up into a Tavor, I have more issues with Israel than China. As for their manufacturing and designs - I've found some original Chinese designs for electronics to be superior to the locally designed stuff. Their philosophy is "we'll build you what you want" instead of "we'll build it and our propa.. uhm.. marketing department will make you want it".
Motorcycle Mike
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My idea, actually, is to take my new dual-sport up onto some crown land, etc, up past Barrie during open season and hunt some small game -- like rabbits and squirrels, potentially grouse, partridge, geese, etc...
Since I will be on a bike, I want to have either a Marlin Papoose or a Ruger 10/22 takedown (for the mammals -- not necessarily the birds) so I can put them in a backpack until I am in the middle of nowhere and can hunt or target shoot. I could do the same with a shotgun that has a removable barrel.
I plan on getting a trunk for my KLX and keeping a cooler or ice packs in it so any game I catch I can skin, field wrap the game, and keep it cool until I get home.
Saying that -- the only hunting guns that will be useful for that are those that break down to 28" or less... as long as they will fit in a backpack.
