I dont know the mpg numbers .. but ive got the 2013 5.0 and i can get 9.5L/100 kms out on the highway.
And yes per tank you should easily achieve 1200 kms ( depending on how/where you drive)
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I dont know the mpg numbers .. but ive got the 2013 5.0 and i can get 9.5L/100 kms out on the highway.
And yes per tank you should easily achieve 1200 kms ( depending on how/where you drive)
But the average appears to be more in the 15 - 18L/100km range http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-150. I could see where highway economy wouldn't be too bad, just chugging along, but the in town driving must really offset it.
Pulling a fully loaded trailer with 3 bikes in it, i get 15-16 out on the highway.
Sure driving in town is always a shitshow, but i do 85% of my driving on the highway.
Red_Liner740
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What they dont tell you, and this is one of those "white lies", is that 36MPG is IMPERIAL MPGs...Seeing as how nobody in Canada fills up their cars in Imperial Gallons or measures distance in UK miles, the use of MPG's is nothing but a cheap sales trick because most Canadians assume they are talking about US MPG's...
The other reason Canadian cars seem to get amazing MPGs on paper is the way its calculated, AKA, totally unrealistic driving simulations.
The other reason Canadian cars seem to get amazing MPGs on paper is the way its calculated, AKA, totally unrealistic driving simulations.
I find that any mpg claims you need to add another 25% to be realistic.
As for the whole pickup debate i was looking at getting one last year, but instead got a crv. Wish it came with a v6 instead of the 4 cyl 2.4 but it still pulls a trailer and my bike no problems.
I did the exact same thing. Picked up a used 2010 CRV with only 36,000kms in June this year. Installed a trailer hitch and wiring harness for ~$250 and did the first towing trip in August using an open 2-bike Kendon trailer (1 bike on the trailer). It sucked back more fuel than normal, but not bad considering that in addition to the trailer the back was filled almost to the ceiling with everything but the kitchen sink. On some slopes it danced between 4th and 5th gear, and there's no way to lock the CRV into 4th.
Red_Liner740
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I went with an 08 Grand Cherokee Diesel with the same V6 3.0 OM642 as the ML320 CDI and Sprinter vans. 420ft/lbs of torque, 215hp, 7500lbs towing rating. 15G's out the door. Averaging 9.5L/100km.
Sorry Kellen but you're not gonna see much MPG savings with diesels with intown driving. They shine at highway and towing.
It just sucks you have to go to a 4Ton beast to get the diesel in the pickup and then its an overkill.
Sorry Kellen but you're not gonna see much MPG savings with diesels with intown driving. They shine at highway and towing.
It just sucks you have to go to a 4Ton beast to get the diesel in the pickup and then its an overkill.
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850km filled to empty. its an 85L tank, i usually end up filling around 75L.
Soooo, its not even 100% it IS going to get a diesel, and if it does it will be in two years. Manufacturers have been dangling the "small diesel pickup" carrot for a decade now. Tons of vaporware out there. So 'scuse me if i dont hold my breath.
If buying brand new is for you, the new 1500 comes with a 3L diesel. Ofcourse todays 1/2 ton pickup trucks are absolute monsters size wise.
I'm aware. What surprised me was that the Legacy (car) has a higher rating than the Forester (SUV).
My truck isn't good in the city, moving 8000lbs in stop and go traffic really takes a toll on your mpg.
The legacy is still the old platform, and shared with the Outback (SUV). I'm sure the next complete redesign will try to make the platform lighter by shaving whatever weight they can, which will likely also result in a reduced tow rating. Towing with small(ish) vehicles just doesn't seem to be enough of a priority in NA, so manufacturers skimp where they can.
It's interesting that the 2014 Forester has a 2000+ lb tow rating over in Europe, but from what I've read the Euro spec Forester has reinforced hitch mounting points and auto-leveling air ride suspension to accommodate the heavier rating. I researched the Forester this summer before ending up with a used CRV. If the NA Forester version had the same rating as the Euro version it'd be in my garage instead of the CRV.
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Don't do it.
Diesels are great for towing and if you need one to tow nothing else compares.
Problem is that 99% of people that have them don't need them.
The payments on a half decent new diesel will be around $1000/month plus you are only going to see 20-25% fuel saving at most.
If you are buying a used diesel be prepared to spend around $3-5k a year in maintenance.
I don't care what anyone says diesels cost more to run. The smallest things on a diesel run in the $1000s.
(Replace an Up pipe on a 6.0 $975 compared to $150 for a flex hose on a gasser). Injectors are going to be an issue regardless of make once you get to a certain age, same with hpop, glow plugs, etc. each one of those jobs are $2.5k++ jobs if you are lucky and catch them early. If not you could need a new motor (7- $25k+)
Add $150+ oil changes every 5k and they start looking a bit dumb for the average commuter.
My 1500 ram Hemi regularly (few times a month) pulls a 20ft enclosed loaded with 6-8 bikes and equipment on it. I've taken my family to my Tremblant with that load and apart from the steepest hill didn't really see much difference between driving my diesel or gas (driving at 100-120kmh, above that a diesels would leave the gasser for dead, but you don't need to drive that fast with a trailer). I couldn't imagine the average trackday/ or AM racer asking much more from a truck than that.
The gas truck has cost me between oil changes and a control arm bushing - $240 in maintence.
My diesel has cost me ..lets just say... $15k+ ..( In case my wife ever reads this).
Maintence plus higher initial purchase price wipes out any fuel savings.
That's why many HD fleets now are moving away from buying modern diesels and purchasing gassers instead. They only buy diesels when they absolutely need to.
Do the math calculating your mileage/ driving style and what you will actually save, you might be surprised.
I am buying another HD truck to add to the fleet and this time it won't be a diesel, ill pay a little more in fuel and monster towing power for a reliable low maintence gasser any day.
* I will still keep my obnoxious 1200hp f450 for fun though, as diesels are incredible for embarrassing unsuspecting porsche owners.
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Who the heck is doing your oil changes? Mine costs me $80-$90 every 10,000km so it's the same as a gasser. I do agree though parts are more expensive but I bought a loaded 2011 with 50,000km for the same price as a new loaded gasser and have power train warranty till 160,000km bumper to bumper ends at 120,000. I'll never go back to gas even if I don't need it. If your pulling a reasonable sized enclosed trailer with a few bikes the diesel makes the drive so much nicer.
Red_Liner740
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No no, not biased at all....
Glow plugs are $2.5K!?!
I mean, if you at least threw up some reasonable prices i could maybe agree with you, but with your exaggerated pricing, you lost any and all credibility.
Let me tell you what my costs for running a diesel are.
$95 oil changes that are schedules at 20K! I change it at 17K just to be on the safe side
Super duper expensive glow plugs for a super duper rare Mercedes engine? $22 each.
Gee, running diesels is so much more expensive and yet everyone and their mother is switching to Sprinter Vans with the 2.7 and 3.0 diesels as they are that much more economical to run than Gasser vans.
Dont be an idiot with a diesel and it will last you a lot longer than a gasser.
How much of your $15K cost has been go fast goodies and or things you broke due to pushing the engine limit? On one end you admit to 1200hp diesel and on the other end you ***** about reliability? LOL
Glow plugs are $2.5K!?!
I mean, if you at least threw up some reasonable prices i could maybe agree with you, but with your exaggerated pricing, you lost any and all credibility.
Let me tell you what my costs for running a diesel are.
$95 oil changes that are schedules at 20K! I change it at 17K just to be on the safe side
Super duper expensive glow plugs for a super duper rare Mercedes engine? $22 each.
Gee, running diesels is so much more expensive and yet everyone and their mother is switching to Sprinter Vans with the 2.7 and 3.0 diesels as they are that much more economical to run than Gasser vans.
Dont be an idiot with a diesel and it will last you a lot longer than a gasser.
How much of your $15K cost has been go fast goodies and or things you broke due to pushing the engine limit? On one end you admit to 1200hp diesel and on the other end you ***** about reliability? LOL
Replace all 8 glow plugs labour and tie up any loose ends and you won't get much back from 2.5k. I'm not sure what kind of truck you have, but I'm quite sure it wouldn't serve my purpose.
Also keep in mind that injectors and other items I listed will be well over $2.5k so your argument is moot.
I have a f450 that's built, I also have had lots of regular diesels that have been nothing but preventative maintence. They have still been well over $10k the first year between upgrading the hpop, egr, dpf delete tuner and exhaust and regular upkeep. Great trucks and once it was sorted it was great but small breakdowns would still wipe out any fuel saving. I usually buy one truck a year so keeping tabs might not be the easiest thing for you.
If you do your oil changes at 20k then I'm guessing we have different definitions of maintence or very different ideas of what a truck is.
Not sure where you are seeing a bias.
No shop that I would trust my trucks with will do a Dino oil change for less than $150, I use synthetic at $200. Modern diesels have ridiculous fuel contamination issues. I would suggest looking into it.
Take a whif of what your oil smells like at 20k and let me know if you still think that's somewhere you want to save money.
$15k.. Have an injector stick open at 20,000 psi and I want to see what your bill is. Mine took out a 6 month old $45k engine build.
I do know a bit about diesel trucks I run them 90k a year and have been for quite a while.
I was like you the first couple of years and believed they were the greatest thing since sliced bread.. After sitting down and doing the math its really not the case.
the old diesels 7.3 and 12v were awesome but dont fool youself into thinking the modern diesels are the same. I know if a ton of cummins 6.7s that have had headgaskets swapped, etc.
Power-strokes 6.0 egr, HPOP issues. 6.4 broken pistons are the norm.
duramax - 2000-2005 were nightmares for injectors. I knew a guy that had pit on 5 sets by the time he was at 200k and he wasn't the only one. Don't know about current duramax trucks.
Guys that have been running much larger fleets than me for way longer than me are swapping over to gas, there is a reason behind it. Watching a gas tow truck tow away my diesel for the third time gave me something to ponder, lol.
Also keep in mind that injectors and other items I listed will be well over $2.5k so your argument is moot.
I have a f450 that's built, I also have had lots of regular diesels that have been nothing but preventative maintence. They have still been well over $10k the first year between upgrading the hpop, egr, dpf delete tuner and exhaust and regular upkeep. Great trucks and once it was sorted it was great but small breakdowns would still wipe out any fuel saving. I usually buy one truck a year so keeping tabs might not be the easiest thing for you.
If you do your oil changes at 20k then I'm guessing we have different definitions of maintence or very different ideas of what a truck is.
Not sure where you are seeing a bias.
No shop that I would trust my trucks with will do a Dino oil change for less than $150, I use synthetic at $200. Modern diesels have ridiculous fuel contamination issues. I would suggest looking into it.
Take a whif of what your oil smells like at 20k and let me know if you still think that's somewhere you want to save money.
$15k.. Have an injector stick open at 20,000 psi and I want to see what your bill is. Mine took out a 6 month old $45k engine build.
I do know a bit about diesel trucks I run them 90k a year and have been for quite a while.
I was like you the first couple of years and believed they were the greatest thing since sliced bread.. After sitting down and doing the math its really not the case.
the old diesels 7.3 and 12v were awesome but dont fool youself into thinking the modern diesels are the same. I know if a ton of cummins 6.7s that have had headgaskets swapped, etc.
Power-strokes 6.0 egr, HPOP issues. 6.4 broken pistons are the norm.
duramax - 2000-2005 were nightmares for injectors. I knew a guy that had pit on 5 sets by the time he was at 200k and he wasn't the only one. Don't know about current duramax trucks.
Guys that have been running much larger fleets than me for way longer than me are swapping over to gas, there is a reason behind it. Watching a gas tow truck tow away my diesel for the third time gave me something to ponder, lol.
No no, not biased at all....
Glow plugs are $2.5K!?!
I mean, if you at least threw up some reasonable prices i could maybe agree with you, but with your exaggerated pricing, you lost any and all credibility.
Let me tell you what my costs for running a diesel are.
$95 oil changes that are schedules at 20K! I change it at 17K just to be on the safe side
Super duper expensive glow plugs for a super duper rare Mercedes engine? $22 each.
Gee, running diesels is so much more expensive and yet everyone and their mother is switching to Sprinter Vans with the 2.7 and 3.0 diesels as they are that much more economical to run than Gasser vans.
Dont be an idiot with a diesel and it will last you a lot longer than a gasser.
How much of your $15K cost has been go fast goodies and or things you broke due to pushing the engine limit? On one end you admit to 1200hp diesel and on the other end you ***** about reliability?
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