VW deisel?? wtf...

I would think neither emissions nor fuel consumption could be optionally non-compliant, but you have to think that allowing the driver to disable Auto Start/Stop would defeat both those aims, no?

Auto start/stop - for emissions, it is compliant with CO HC NOx etc regardless of whether you have it turned on or off. For fuel consumption, it makes a difference, but the numbers reported are based on the default mode. You get into the car, turn the key, slap the shift lever in "drive". Whatever mode that puts you in, is what the test is done in. That's why it defaults to having start/stop engaged. The auto manufacturer (remember, they're the ones testing, not EPA) is supposed the testing in every possible mode and makes sure the emissions are compliant in every possible mode, but the fuel economy numbers reported to the consumer are done in the default mode.

FWIW you know those "eco" buttons that a lot of cars have? Most of them make absolutely no difference. They change the way the accelerator pedal responds to perhaps encourage more economical behaviour but they don't change the engine's emission control strategy. Same thing with the motorcycle "a" "b" "c" power modes etc. They're only changing the way the drive-by-wire throttle system responds. They don't change the ignition timing, fuel mapping, etc because that would affect emissions.
 
Are you saying the ECO button does nothing in regards to emissions, fuel economy, or both?
 
Last year just around this time I was very close to importing a 2000ish A4 quattro TDI from europe. I stumbled over a great local deal for a A4 1.8T and I put the diesel on hold. I really liked diesels. This summer I got to drive for a month a 2005 passat syncro TDI (very similar to the A4). It was nice but in the end it's not that much better than my gas A4. Sprinted driving got the diesel to 12+ l/100km. While that bottom end torque is nice for relaxed driving, I really missed the gas top end. In the end it really was not that much more efficient. I would not bother paying the premium for a diesel and the added potential failures that are very expensive can negate any fuel economy. I would not bother swapping a TDI in my A4 even if I got all the parts for free. I give it to diesel, when it comes to towing or off road it really excels, but that's a niche market.

Which is one of the main reasons I purchased the vehicle. No car in it's size or even a car period tends to have the same tried and true reviews when it comes to towing. In North America they actually state that the TDi/DSG combo should not be towed with but in Europe its a different story.

[video=youtube;8H65PMTcXOU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H65PMTcXOU[/video]
 
MEH. I still get fantastic mileage on my Jetta TDI.

And what was that comment about our kids being brain damaged. LOL! What drugs are you on?
 
Shhh, hes gonna go cry to the moderators and you'll get an infraction for it, like i did....

passive aggressive pansies now-a-days, i swear...

MEH. I still get fantastic mileage on my Jetta TDI.

And what was that comment about our kids being brain damaged. LOL! What drugs are you on?
 
Which is one of the main reasons I purchased the vehicle. No car in it's size or even a car period tends to have the same tried and true reviews when it comes to towing. In North America they actually state that the TDi/DSG combo should not be towed with but in Europe its a different story.

[video=youtube;8H65PMTcXOU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H65PMTcXOU[/video]

My Jetta TDI DSG will tow 3200 lbs (personally tested) wouldn't do it regularly because im sure the transmission was not happy with me, however the engine pulls it like nothing I was amazed.

However the breaks are another discussion, slowing down on the 407 off ramp was interesting...

I find it hilarious how people in Canada think they need the 6L Hemi with dualies and balls on the hitch (gotta have the hemi bud) to tow their boats lol... American car culture is funny.
 
My Jetta TDI DSG will tow 3200 lbs (personally tested) wouldn't do it regularly because im sure the transmission was not happy with me, however the engine pulls it like nothing I was amazed.

However the breaks are another discussion, slowing down on the 407 off ramp was interesting...

I find it hilarious how people in Canada think they need the 6L Hemi with dualies and balls on the hitch (gotta have the hemi bud) to tow their boats lol... American car culture is funny.

Because people trust the manufacturer and want to keep their warranty. Most cars in North America have ZERO tow rating while having 2000-3500 lb tow ratings elsewhere. If the manufacturers wouldn't lie to us we'd have more people towing.
 
When I was buying a car a few years back I found an ad from Subaru Brampton for a WRX and it listed a tow rating (I think it was 1500 lbs). After I bought it I kept reading online that it had zero tow rating in North America. So I emailed the dealer and Subaru Canada and sure enough it had no tow rating and if I towed with it my warranty would be void and it wasn't their fault they advertised it wrong because the small print says there might be errors.
 
New question - once they start figuring out who is responsible for this, what do you think they'll be charged with?
 
There is a fair chance that no one will be prosecuted for this. The people who actually wrote the code will be long gone and if they do find them, they will have been "just following orders" but there won't be any documentation of what those orders were.

The prior VW chairman, Piech, was a notorious my-way-or-the-highway boss. Someone, probably a low level programmer, wrote that code to make the car pass the test under threat of being fired if they didn't get the car to pass the test. This is the kind of thing that happens in a work environment like that.
 
Its a white collar crime of the finest order, there will be apologies, mia culpa, some enormous fines levied (that will be paid out over decades, and bartered down by the best lawyers money can buy) , some sacking of mid level managers that will have no idea what happened. And VW will carry on.

Interestingly , VW is largely controlled by one family, as is porche. The new VW CEO is a friend of the Porche family. There will be a "circling of the wagons" in Germany.
 
When I was buying a car a few years back I found an ad from Subaru Brampton for a WRX and it listed a tow rating (I think it was 1500 lbs). After I bought it I kept reading online that it had zero tow rating in North America. So I emailed the dealer and Subaru Canada and sure enough it had no tow rating and if I towed with it my warranty would be void and it wasn't their fault they advertised it wrong because the small print says there might be errors.
Ha ha! That's rich.

Maybe that's also how VW will get out from under their new lawsuits; "Hey, we put disclaimers EVERYWHERE!"
 
I don't think VW diesels will be completely ended here or any others.

But about those cars...

Last I looked them up the Cruz diesel got terrible reviews (has it improved?).
As far as I know they stopped selling the SMART diesel for the 2008 model year in Canada and was never available in the US. This made buying a Smart pointless since their gas models get about the same fuel economy as a diesel VW (although maybe they pollute less now that we know the true VW emissions).

For almost everyone except VW they are also all automatic only, which puts them off my list.

Looks like GM is meeting the current standards with the Cruze diesel:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/tech-dive-chevy-cruze-stays-clean/

The downside to the way the Cruze diesel meets the requirements is that it needs to do more regens. From my experience with trucks and buses it seems that (for now anyways) that diesel engines require urea/DEF to be able to meet the current standards.
 
Looks like GM is meeting the current standards with the Cruze diesel:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/tech-dive-chevy-cruze-stays-clean/

The downside to the way the Cruze diesel meets the requirements is that it needs to do more regens. From my experience with trucks and buses it seems that (for now anyways) that diesel engines require urea/DEF to be able to meet the current standards.

And the Cruz has lower MPGs and dealers are manually performing regens to get rid of soot and in turn, burning more fuel.

Like a lot of VW owners, many are tuned to get better power and MPGs at the expense of increased NOx.

Same story for all diesel machines really. Folks are opening up the performance of their powerstroke 4x4s etc.

I'm older, I've got 3 kids so, the environment is important to me. But, I still take them camping. Burn fire wood. Ride motorcycles with outdated tech, and I drive a lot for work.

I want to be a responsible fella. Honest. I do.

But, I can't.
 
I have a 2015 jetta highline with the ad blue, but i really hope for a buy back.

I hate the service at Guelph VW, the car is pretty 'quirky' were either i get the " that rattle is normal" or "we can't replicate the problem so to bad" This thing was built with pour quality parts, at a premium price. My 2006 jetta TDi had a much better build and part quality than this POS

I'm actually so fed up with this car, and now this emissions issue, i just want to go buy a new car, park my car at volkswagen, remove the plates, and switch banks.

if it wasn't for my trade in plus down payment, i would really consider doing this.
 
Looks like GM is meeting the current standards with the Cruze diesel:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/09/tech-dive-chevy-cruze-stays-clean/

The downside to the way the Cruze diesel meets the requirements is that it needs to do more regens. From my experience with trucks and buses it seems that (for now anyways) that diesel engines require urea/DEF to be able to meet the current standards.
I don't care about emissions. I care about how good the car is.
I have a 2015 jetta highline with the ad blue, but i really hope for a buy back.

I hate the service at Guelph VW, the car is pretty 'quirky' were either i get the " that rattle is normal" or "we can't replicate the problem so to bad" This thing was built with pour quality parts, at a premium price. My 2006 jetta TDi had a much better build and part quality than this POS

I'm actually so fed up with this car, and now this emissions issue, i just want to go buy a new car, park my car at volkswagen, remove the plates, and switch banks.

if it wasn't for my trade in plus down payment, i would really consider doing this.
Guelph VW is terrible. I only ever went there for parts and saw them ripping people off all the time.

Best time was when I saw them bill a guy $200 to change one glow plug. It was the third time they had billed him like this. I told him I did all 4 of mine for $20 and 10 minutes of my time, in the dark (not even a shop light), for the first time. That's how easy it was. Service manager at the counter wasn't too happy with me, lol.
 
On the other hand, I bet you can get a smoking deal if you buy a VW right now. Lol
 
I don't care about emissions. I care about how good the car is.

Guelph VW is terrible. I only ever went there for parts and saw them ripping people off all the time.
It was the third time they had billed him like this. I told him I did all 4 of mine for $20 and 10 minutes of my time, in the dark (not even a shop light), for the first time. That's how easy it was. Service manager at the counter wasn't too happy with me, lol.

you can get a VW glow plug for $5 each? that's got to be a first, I couldn't get a parking lamp bulb for $5.
 

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