maybe they could be refitted with hydrogen generators like they pioneered for the diesel transport industry.......................oh right, that was a fake to...
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VW deisel?? wtf...
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VW seems to be just the start:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bmw-disputes-report-its-x3-also-failed-emissions-test-1.3241472
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bmw-disputes-report-its-x3-also-failed-emissions-test-1.3241472
easy_rider_77
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I think this is the beginning of the end for Diesel technology (for passenger vehicles at least) in North America.
Motorcycle Mike
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That might have been the case a few years ago when the only choices were VW or a 1-tonne full sized pickup, but now there are a few more choices out there and I doubt they are all cheating like VW, and I doubt they will all be forced out of the market:
Chevy Cruze for a diesel sedan.
Mercedes, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and BMW for a diesel suv.
Ram 1500, soon to be Chevy Colorado for small diesel trucks.
A few options for diesel cargo vans now.
Soon to be Jeep Wrangler diesel.
SMART car for small diesel car.
I don't think VW diesels will be completely ended here or any others.
But about those cars...
Last I looked them up the Cruz diesel got terrible reviews (has it improved?).
As far as I know they stopped selling the SMART diesel for the 2008 model year in Canada and was never available in the US. This made buying a Smart pointless since their gas models get about the same fuel economy as a diesel VW (although maybe they pollute less now that we know the true VW emissions).
For almost everyone except VW they are also all automatic only, which puts them off my list.
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Motorcycle Mike
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Keep an eye out for the diesel wrangler said to be introduced for 2016 -- I wonder if they'll put a manual tranny in that? It'll have the same 3.0l that the grand cherokee has.
I might be interested if they do, assuming it gets decent economy. Although the more I read about these newer diesels with these crazy emissions systems and special fluid the more I think I should've bought the junky Nissan Patrol or converted Land Rover Discovery I looked at awhile ago, lol. Too bad the converted Samurai I had for two weeks was too junky to keep.
daught
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Last year just around this time I was very close to importing a 2000ish A4 quattro TDI from europe. I stumbled over a great local deal for a A4 1.8T and I put the diesel on hold. I really liked diesels. This summer I got to drive for a month a 2005 passat syncro TDI (very similar to the A4). It was nice but in the end it's not that much better than my gas A4. Sprinted driving got the diesel to 12+ l/100km. While that bottom end torque is nice for relaxed driving, I really missed the gas top end. In the end it really was not that much more efficient. I would not bother paying the premium for a diesel and the added potential failures that are very expensive can negate any fuel economy. I would not bother swapping a TDI in my A4 even if I got all the parts for free. I give it to diesel, when it comes to towing or off road it really excels, but that's a niche market.
I found the bottom end torque to be much nicer than the top end on any car I've owned. Including a WRX. I fail to see how you don't think it's not that much efficient. 12L/100km spirited is pretty good considering my WRX would spike to like 40L/100 km if you got on the gas. My average economy on any gas car is 10-12L/100 km. Harder and faster driving my TDI used half that (5.6L/100km average).
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daught
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My average is 8-9 milton-toronto, but I can get as low as 6.9 if I put it in cruise at 100KM/h. 10-13 is what I get sprinted. I guess definitions of sprinted vary greatly. Also it's not exactly a fair comparison since I drove both in different places. The A4 was in the mountains between colorado and utah, and the passat was here:
mr.walczak
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Maybe you should blame the education system for that
http://business.financialpost.com/n...eated-emissions-tests-but-automaker-denies-it
Don't be surprised if more on your list aren't caught before the soot finally settles.
VW manufactures more automobiles than any other manufacturer in the world. They are going to hurt but they won't be folding any time soon.
For a fix, could VW just add abutton to make the 'cheat' code a user-selectable mode? The default setting would be the cheat mode, so it would pass emissions, and then drivers can choose the 'HO' mode if they want.
I drove a TDI Q5 a few weeks ago and it has a user-defeatable Auto-start/stop feature. By default, the Auto-start/stop is enabled and I'm sure that's how it's tested for economy and emissions. So why not do something like that with these cheating TDIs?
I drove a TDI Q5 a few weeks ago and it has a user-defeatable Auto-start/stop feature. By default, the Auto-start/stop is enabled and I'm sure that's how it's tested for economy and emissions. So why not do something like that with these cheating TDIs?
Compliance with emission standards is not optional and certainly cannot be driver-selectable. Auto start/stop is tested in the default mode, which is why it defaults to having auto start/stop enabled, but it's in compliance whether you have it on or off. There is no "cheating" with that system.
That would be an amazing use of that engine (which is getting rave reviews of people who have it in their Ram trucks). The low end torque would be great offroad and the added fuel efficiency would be good to help the Wrangler meet future CAFE requirements. I wonder if the Unlimited could tow more than 3500 lbs if they put the ecodiesel into it?
I would think neither emissions nor fuel consumption could be optionally non-compliant, but you have to think that allowing the driver to disable Auto Start/Stop would defeat both those aims, no?
Not all lawbreaking is equal. When it results in harm to others then it's fair to be very critical of it, while otherwise not.
my only concern with the diesel wrangler, supposedly it will only be offered in the 4dr and they are already 38-40k once you get it off the lot, you'll be looking at 45+ once your all taxed out.
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