1 shot is better than 0 and we have to work with what we got.
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It is, but in late March, the UK was in a pretty similar position to where we are now, and they're in pretty decent shape now. The UK has had to slow down its rate of first-doses starting in late March because with their 3-month delayed second dose, in April they had to start giving out second doses in substantial numbers ... they are also supply-constrained, just quite a bit in front of our schedule.
In our situation, it is looking like the 4-month delay is going to pretty closely coincide with running out of people to give the first dose to, when they start doubling back to give second doses. The number of doses that we are scheduled to get through June coincides with the 0.8% - 0.9% of the population being vaccinated every day (sometimes more, sometimes less) and we're at 46% of total population now, that would put us in the 70% - 72% of total population a month from now ... accounting for the kids who won't be eligible plus some percentage that are vaccine-resistant no matter what, that is probably somewhere near where we hit the wall on first vaccinations. We didn't start getting vaccines in great numbers until early March ... three and a half months on is mid June. (I hope we get to 70% - 72% ... not the mid-sixties that other indications are suggesting ...)
That's an excuse to hide sourcing blunders like Novavax, and sole sourcing AstraZeneca from the Serum Institute.
Huh? We have two suppliers of AZ. Covishield from SI (~200k in ontario) and AZ proper (~650k in ontario).
^ Pending deletion of above comments ... borderline political. If that happens then this one will go with it. Haven't made up my mind yet.
Decisions are made based upon the information available at the time. At the time those contracts were established, sourcing vaccines from the USA was out of the question (export ban), India's Serum Institute was (and is) the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world, and India did not have a coronavirus humanitarian disaster in progress at the time. And ... as it turns out ... it seems likely that it will hardly matter. The PR around the AstraZeneca vaccine and the comparatively tiny (but non-zero) risks associated with it, have been a mess. As it has turned out, Pfizer has been the main one to haul us out of this.
Decisions are made based upon the information available at the time. At the time those contracts were established, sourcing vaccines from the USA was out of the question (export ban), India's Serum Institute was (and is) the largest vaccine manufacturer in the world, and India did not have a coronavirus humanitarian disaster in progress at the time. And ... as it turns out ... it seems likely that it will hardly matter. The PR around the AstraZeneca vaccine and the comparatively tiny (but non-zero) risks associated with it, have been a mess. As it has turned out, Pfizer has been the main one to haul us out of this.
The AstraZeneca proper vaccines were the ones the US released. We bought SI produced vaccines and tapped into Covishield from South Korea officially.
We have 4.5 million doses of AstraZeneca coming in the next couple of weeks. We should be allowing those who view the supposed risks of the vaccine as insignificant to take them.
That's because AstraZeneca isn't paying for PR, while both Pfizer and Moderna are spending big money on pushing their vaccines. In ways that are illegal for pharmaceutical companies. Such as paying for spots on talk shows.
Covid-19 Drugmakers Take On Your Favorite TV Shows to Tackle Vaccine Hesitancy
Companies including Pfizer, Moderna and Regeneron are sponsoring campaigns on TV, radio and social media aiming to raise awareness of Covid-19 medicines and extol their virtues.
www.wsj.com
But that's the difference between AstraZeneca selling a product at cost for $2.30 a dose, and announcing doses are going to go up to $150 a dose (Pfizer), or Moderna not only making their first profit, making $1 Billion in profit selling this vaccine.
Going to be hard pressed to talk about covid and vaccines and not bring politics into it,
So if this forum wants to talk about bikes as was suggested, then why even let this thread run open?
What I’m seeing is a lot of good information being posted by both sides of the board, but as soon as someone posts something right or wrong if a mod thanks it’s not good information then they lock the thread.
To me in itself is being political
So if this forum wants to talk about bikes as was suggested, then why even let this thread run open?
What I’m seeing is a lot of good information being posted by both sides of the board, but as soon as someone posts something right or wrong if a mod thanks it’s not good information then they lock the thread.
To me in itself is being political
I'm not even trying to be political, all political parties in Canada have managed to screw up our response to COVID.
With vaccines, and border control the blame does lay with the Federal government which happens to be Liberal. With the lockdowns, it lays on the provincial government with happens to be Conservative.
pfbmgd
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You have many mixed up ideas . There are many people that will not want the vaccine . There are Human rights tribunals in pretty well any western country . Many countries rely on tourism . The next few years money will be tight everywhere .
I doubt the small islands will want implement rules that keep people away . The small island economies must be devestated . They will not be playing the vaccine passport game . Cruise industry must be on the ropes to by now . They probably operate on slim margins now . If they start with vaccine passports they will learn quickl with their botto m line .
People in Florida are very happy with their government . They have their lives back . Their buinesses are not destroyed . More people moving to Florida then ever . While we sit at home .
Are you happy with your governemnt .
Public schools here claim vaccines are mandatory but they are not, watch a vaccine video and a signature and your child is exempt.
Even the hospital system, with Sunnybrook first saying they have a mandatory COVID vaccine policy, has the same opt out.
It's been fought in courts several times, and the right of the individual to choose has consistently been upheld.
Even the hospital system, with Sunnybrook first saying they have a mandatory COVID vaccine policy, has the same opt out.
It's been fought in courts several times, and the right of the individual to choose has consistently been upheld.
Different situation now though. Courts may not come to the same decision. There is not a raging measles outbreak world-wide overwhelming the medical system. If sufficient people volunteer and covid calms down, I expect courts would follow precedent. If covid continues to rage there is a legitimate argument to tell people that society doesn't care about their feelings.
The percentage of people that opt out is very small. Your point is?
Unlikely, for several reasons, primarily that personal choice was upheld when the Ontario Nurses refused flu shots and the hospitals tried to threaten them claiming it was to protect patients at risk.
Secondly, we have seen an uptick in North America on viruses that are far more scarring and deadly, included in childhood vaccinations. And status quo of personal choice hasn't changed.
The “small islands” were amongst the most aggressive with shutting their borders when covid hit hard to protect their own populations and their hospital systems. Many are still not yet welcoming tourists yet, and those that are are already requiring proof of vaccination.
What “small islands” do you propose will now throw that caution to the wind by making decisions like that that any reasonable person knows will intentionally result in the non vaccinated / anti-vax / conspiracy theorists flocking to their shores, bringing covid and whatever else along with them?
Which ones have a private health care system? Bring in a few covid patients and you are quickly building legacy money for your spawn.
pfbmgd
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It was on the news the other day . Only 50% of people working at the CDC are vaccinated . Many front line medical people are not getting the vaccine . I think once we start to open up . Less and less people will want the vaccines .
What news? Post some citations please.
And then check this out.
No, Fauci didn’t say 40%-50% of CDC, FDA staff refuse shots
Did two federal health officials say that up to half of the employees at two major federal health agencies have refused
www.politifact.com
As for those in the health field refusing vaccination, whatever loopholes a few are using (and it’s almost certainly not as much as your choice news sources are purporting) will lose those loopholes once the “emergency usage” declarations are removed and the covid vaccines become a standard shot, which is inevitable.
If it does just become a standard shot, saying you don't want it is sufficient (or if they question that, mention religion of some sort and you are free to spread). The bar is quite embarassing.
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