vaccine poll

[DownUnder]

Most here might find that scenario unreal, but you look at those indigenous schools with the unmarked graves and you have to wonder. Personally I found the news of those mass burials devastating.

Wasn't the Canadian Saint, Pierre Trudeau Prime Minister when that was going on? Also only ground radar is put forward as evidence of the mass grave... will have to wait and see what happens if/when they decide to dig it up.

 

[GreyGhost]

Wasn't the Canadian Saint, Pierre Trudeau Prime Minister when that was going on? Also only ground radar is put forward as evidence of the mass grave... will have to wait and see what happens if/when they decide to dig it up.

Really, they announced 215 based only on GPR? wtf if that's the case. I haven't seen any very recent scans but once I have seen in the past were good for identifying anomalies and structures and quite shite at detail. They helped you narrow down where to dig to see what was actually there.

 

[ToSlow]

This has been known for a long time, to what scale is just starting to be reported. Only thing is they had a native council talking about this for a few yrs "Truth and reconciliation council" but the government has refused to respect the information coming forth. At this point it will be all politics

 

[油井緋色]

Who are the 17 negative throughputs and what's the reason? =P

 

[Baggsy]

4:05 pm shots are being given at 3:50. Is nothing sacred? Or are they short of vaccine here, again?

 

[800over]

Really, they announced 215 based only on GPR? wtf if that's the case. I haven't seen any very recent scans but once I have seen in the past were good for identifying anomalies and structures and quite shite at detail. They helped you narrow down where to dig to see what was actually there.

if they see 215 neatly buried packages in rows about 6 feet under they know what they are going to find......they can be wrong by 20 and it doesn't matter.

 

[klr_guy]

Really, they announced 215 based only on GPR? wtf if that's the case. I haven't seen any very recent scans but once I have seen in the past were good for identifying anomalies and structures and quite shite at detail. They helped you narrow down where to dig to see what was actually there.

Curious about that as well. Watched a couple of Tulsa race massacre documentaries recently and there's no way to my understanding you could make an accurate count.

 

[nobbie48]

I'm lost on the vaccine thing. I got Pfizer shot 1 mid April but Ford is lowering the restrictions if he can get the vaccines. The USA is supposed to help out.

However having vaccine around doesn't seem to help the IQ's. They're blaming an uptick in rates on the long weekend. Did someone suggest the virus was taking the weekend off?

If we have a mid June reopening do we get a July re-closing?

 

[Brian P]

"IQ" = ??

There's a ton of time lags that complicate this. Infection rates now reflect vaccination rate a couple of weeks ago because of the time that it takes for the vaccine to kick in. Tested-positive rates now reflect infection a week or two ago because of the time for incubation period, symptoms to show up, the person to get tested, and the test results to be reported.

The B.1.617.2 variant is another variable - 50% - 60% more infectious that B.1.1.7. The third wave that we had, was mostly B.1.1.7 (same one that hit the UK hard a few months ago). B.1.617.2 is the one that hit India hard. Apparently (680 News) B.1.617.2 now is around a quarter of new infections, and it's expected to be the dominant one in another month, and the effectiveness of one vaccine dose (most people's situation) is lower for that one. (Still high with two doses.)

It means there is a battle right now between the more-infectious B.1.617.2 increasing as it takes over, and vaccination rates for both first and second doses, and we need both. Having one vaccine dose is still important, but having two is more important than ever.

The UK is concerned about B.1.617.2, even though their vaccination situation is pretty good.

It is very conceivable, that B.1.617.2, or perhaps whatever the next mutation is, is the one that sweeps through and clears out a bunch of the deniers and vaccine-resisters.

Get vaccinated. If you have a second-dose appointment (as I do - August) and the opportunity comes to move it ahead, do that.

 

[mimico_polak]

Just signed up for dose #2 of the AZ wait list at my pharmacy.

Buddy told me he signed up for Moderna (first show was AZ) already for mid June.

 

[pfbmgd]

"IQ" = ??

There's a ton of time lags that complicate this. Infection rates now reflect vaccination rate a couple of weeks ago because of the time that it takes for the vaccine to kick in. Tested-positive rates now reflect infection a week or two ago because of the time for incubation period, symptoms to show up, the person to get tested, and the test results to be reported.

The B.1.617.2 variant is another variable - 50% - 60% more infectious that B.1.1.7. The third wave that we had, was mostly B.1.1.7 (same one that hit the UK hard a few months ago). B.1.617.2 is the one that hit India hard. Apparently (680 News) B.1.617.2 now is around a quarter of new infections, and it's expected to be the dominant one in another month, and the effectiveness of one vaccine dose (most people's situation) is lower for that one. (Still high with two doses.)

It means there is a battle right now between the more-infectious B.1.617.2 increasing as it takes over, and vaccination rates for both first and second doses, and we need both. Having one vaccine dose is still important, but having two is more important than ever.

The UK is concerned about B.1.617.2, even though their vaccination situation is pretty good.

It is very conceivable, that B.1.617.2, or perhaps whatever the next mutation is, is the one that sweeps through and clears out a bunch of the deniers and vaccine-resisters.

Get vaccinated. If you have a second-dose appointment (as I do - August) and the opportunity comes to move it ahead, do that.

Where do you get your stats ?

 

[ToSlow]

What about if you already had covid?

I don’t think people are catching it twice even with the new strain

 

[Brian P]

Common knowledge. The bit about B.1.617.2 taking over was on 680 News (already said that in previous post) and it's backed up by what Dr Lawrence Loh (Peel Medical Officer of Health) was saying yesterday to various news sources (e.g. CTV NewsNet).

 

[Brian P]

What about if you already had covid?

I don’t think people are catching it twice even with the new strain

There's little question that being infected provides "some" immunity against infected again. The problem is, the extent to which this has an effect, isn't defined, and probably varies from one person to the next. Does a mild asymptomatic case that the infected person doesn't even know they had, provide the same robust immunity as someone who got hit hard? We don't know, but the answer "probably not" seems reasonable.

A vaccine dose is a set, predefined amount of the trigger compound ...

 

[Brian P]

Where do you get your stats ?

Here's some reading material for you, and given the UK's high vaccination rate, this should give some pause:

Covid: Indian variant 'now dominant' in the UK

Confirmed cases of the Indian variant have risen to 12,431 in the UK, according to new data from Public Health England

www.bbc.com

Key phrase in there: "The majority had not yet been vaccinated."

And right after that ... "And 6% had had both jabs." ... Vaccines are not 100% effective ... and it takes time after the second dose for it to reach maximum effectiveness (this is, or should be, common knowledge).

From here ... Coronavirus (COVID-19) Vaccinations - Statistics and Research

About 60% of the total UK population has had at least one dose, and about 40% have had both doses. If most of the people getting the new variant weren't vaccinated ... it means the vaccine "still works".

 

[Dimitri]

What about if you already had covid?

Many countries, including Quebec are now saying if you had COVID before you only need the one shot as a booster.

For people who have had COVID-19, a single dose of the vaccine is required. The infection triggers the immune system's response the same way a 1st dose of the vaccine does. The dose of vaccine given to someone who has had COVID-19 has a booster effect the same way a 2nd dose of the vaccine does.

COVID-19 vaccination

Making your appointment, learn about types of vaccines.

www.quebec.ca

Based on studies like these, where natural immunity seems to last at least 6 months, the same time frame we are talking about for the vaccines.

Of 11 000 healthcare workers who had proved evidence of infection during the first wave of the pandemic in the UK between March and April 2020, none had symptomatic reinfection in the second wave of the virus between October and November 2020. As a result, the researchers felt confident that immunity to reinfection lasts at least six months in the case of the novel coronavirus, with further studies required to understand much more.

What we know about covid-19 reinfection so far

With most coronaviruses, recovery confers a degree of immunity to reinfection. But a small number of patients have caught covid-19 for a second time. Chris Stokel-Walker looks at what we know and how worried we should be “Other things being equal, we can expect to see—even without this new...

www.bmj.com

But still, seriously ill COVID patients are not getting hospitalized from the virus but due to it. As they get sepsis, which is when the body has a dysregulated immune response to a virus, which causes life-threatening dysfunction in organs. Which this kind of viral sepsis is normally caused by being introduced a virus that is new to your immune system. You might get COVID again, and while there have been a couple of cases of more severe outcomes on reinfection. It's likely getting COVID naturally, antibodies or not, provides immune and t-cell memory that will prevent hospitalizations. Which was the goal for the vaccines wasn't it? To get back to normal by not having to worry about hospitalizations.

 

[Mad Mike]

Most here might find that scenario unreal, but you look at those indigenous schools with the unmarked graves and you have to wonder. Personally I found the news of those mass burials devastating.

Sadly this wasn’t a secret, indigenous, churches, NGOs and govt have known about these burial sites for more that 100 years. Not a secret, not a mystery, just an out of bounds discussion for all concerned. nobody wanted to go there.

When I look at this I think all of the above acted shamefully in silence for the last 100 years.

 

[Wingboy]

Wondering what the reaction would be if the vigils being held focused on laying kids shoes on the steps of Catholic churches.

 

[Brian P]

Personally I find the involvement of the Catholic church back then, and their lack of any response whatsoever today, to be disgusting and shameful. We can't undo the mistakes of the past, but at least other involved parties have made apologies. Where is theirs?

 

[Brian P]

Neutralising antibody activity against SARS-CoV-2 VOCs B.1.617.2 and B.1.351 by BNT162b2 vaccination

The SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 Variant of Concern (VOC), first detected in India, is now dominant in the UK, having rapidly1 displaced the B.1.1.7 strain2 that emerged in the UK with the second COVID-19 wave in late 2020. The efficacy of currently licensed COVID-19 vaccines against B.1.617.2 is...

www.thelancet.com

TLR. One dose is better than nothing but get your second dose done as soon as possible.