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MacDoc said:
Yes she was, by the delegates. They do not have direct democracy ...it's representative.
No Australian voter was involved in appointing our PM.
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Wrong, the primaries are direct - voters decide, that’s the core purpose of the primary/caucus process.

Delegates from each state go to the convention and vote for the winner of their state as decided by voters. That’s the democratic process, the winner goes to the convention as a presumptive leader.

If for any reason that does not produce a winner, another vote takes place, this time delegates vote for whomever they choose - this is referred to as a Coronation as the party chooses, not the voters.

Harris will be coronated because she didn’t win any delegates in the primarys.
 
That’s the democratic process, the winner goes to the convention as a presumptive leader.
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that's called representive democracy ..not direct. They do note ever vote directly for the lawmakers.
It maybe called a "democratic process" but it is not direct democracy.
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Switzerland is governed under a federal system at three levels: the Confederation, the cantons and the communes. Thanks to direct democracy, citizens can have their say directly on decisions at all political levels.
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A direct democracy is where all laws and policies are decided by the people themselves (the decision is based on what the majority decides).
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A representative democracy is where the people vote for an elected representative to create laws and policies on the people's behalf.
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Yes Harris will be coronated.
 
Let's all keep in mind that a "direct democracy" can lead to decisions being made because they are popular, not because they are correct. "I want free this, and handouts for that, and financial support for the other thing." OK, sounds good, voted, done, done, done. "No new taxes." OK, voted, done. Hmm, why is the value of our currency plummeting?

Somehow, Switzerland has managed to mostly negotiate this. I don't know enough about Swiss politics to understand why or how. It probably helps that it is a relatively small country.

We hire (elect) people to do a job, and that includes making decisions, including the tough ones, the decisions that don't please everybody. We shouldn't hire (elect) people in order to micromanage the decisions that they make.
 
MacDoc said:
that's called representive democracy ..not direct. They do note ever vote directly for the lawmakers.
It maybe called a "democratic process" but it is not direct democracy.

Yes Harris will be coronated.
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No matter the internal processes of the Democratic party, she still won't have the authority to do one single thing, until after the American population casts their vote on 5 November.

Let's also keep in mind that the US system has a written process for what happens if a sitting president is no longer able to carry out their duties, and first in line is the VP.

And also remember that the Republicans have their own potential spanner in the works, because JD Vance isn't too popular.
 
Brian P said:
No matter the internal processes of the Democratic party, she still won't have the authority to do one single thing, until after the American population casts their vote on 5 November.

Let's also keep in mind that the US system has a written process for what happens if a sitting president is no longer able to carry out their duties, and first in line is the VP.

And also remember that the Republicans have their own potential spanner in the works, because JD Vance isn't too popular.
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That seems to be a bit of an understatement.

The current memes are quite…funny.
 
MacDoc said:
that's called representive democracy ..not direct. They do note ever vote directly for the lawmakers.
It maybe called a "democratic process" but it is not direct democracy.
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I think you're applying the definition too broadly. The US has both, direct and representative processes in government. As I said before, the direct democratic process asks voters to decide who they would like to run as president. This is the entire purpose of the primaries, to put the selection of presidential candidates in the hands of voters. Delegates take those votes to the party convention - if there is a majority -- then the direct democratic process plays out. No majority, then it switches to a representative process where delegates vote on behalf of the voters. The US also has direct democracy in town halls (NE USA), state Ballot Measures and Propositions, and most state official elections (judges, mayors, attorneys general, congressmen, senators....)

When it comes to day-to-day governing, functional democracies are all representative. It's not practical to put every decision to the voter so modern democracies elect representatives to do their bidding, but more importantly, direct democracies don't work for long -- they devolve into an ochlocracy (mob/majority rule).
 
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That’s giving Trump way too much coherency.

Yesterday he claimed to have larger crowds than Martin Luther King and that he should have a direct say in federal rates as he’s smarter than anyone on Wall St. Those were the most lucid parts.
 
jc100 said:
That’s giving Trump way too much coherency.

Yesterday he claimed to have larger crowds than Martin Luther King and that he should have a direct say in federal rates as he’s smarter than anyone on Wall St. Those were the most lucid parts.
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I'm waiting for him to start talking about stopping Sharknados by nuking them. I have a friend who worked on those and he'd be dining free, off that, for a decade.
 
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