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You seem to need the advice. It's too bad that some of these people can't ask my buddy what it was like this summer when the paramedics stuck a pen knife into his chest and then pried the hole open with their fingers so that they could get a hose into it so as to re-inflate his lung, without anaesthetic.

Would it have saved him if he'd taken my advice to use real track tires? I wouldn't bet against it, because he pushed wide off a corner and ended up underneath a chain fence... on Q2s. You gotta wonder why the tire companies even make racing compound tires, amirite?
 
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murf said:
Keith Code Superbike school was using Q2 last year I believe
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Code uses S1000RRs which are throttle limited, with traction control and ABS turned up to "you suck" - not a SV1000 without a slipper clutch.
 
Shaman said:
You seem to need the advice. It's too bad that some of these people can't ask my buddy what it was like this summer when the paramedics stuck a pen knife into his chest and then pried the hole open with their fingers so that they could get a hose into it so as to re-inflate his lung, without anaesthetic.

Would it have saved him if he'd taken my advice to use real track tires? I wouldn't bet against it, because he pushed wide off a corner and ended up underneath a chain fence... on Q2s. You gotta wonder why the tire companies even make racing compound tires, amirite?
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Probably for guys running closer to race lap times?
 
No, so that they stand a chance of running closer to race times.
 
The race tires I use like to be over 180 degrees F, if Im riding 2 or 3 seconds a lap slower they dont get that hot. I decided to try out some Pures and did exactly that with no issues. I have seen the argument that if you are not running fast enough to get race tires above operating temp then you are better off with street tires. In the end what works for one person may not work for another.
 
Why jump off a 10 story building into a 5 foot deep pool if you have access to a 10ft deep one, just plain dumb not to have all the available traction you can get. Think of how much a crash costs and hurts, why not have extra traction in case you need it? It is way cheaper to use good tires than to save a couple of bux on street tires and crash.
 
murf said:
I see people running in the top of internediate on good street tires. Tire tech keeps improving, todays street tires can cope with what race tires did a few years back. Keith Code Superbike school was using Q2 last year I believe


https://secure.echoalley.com/superbikeschool/store/
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Yes CSB uses Q2's for all their bikes ..

And for the first few sessions out, they have the bikes running in the lowest setting. After your instructor deems you worthy, your bike than gets the nod for going to full "race" mode.
 
Shaman said:
You seem to need the advice. It's too bad that some of these people can't ask my buddy what it was like this summer when the paramedics stuck a pen knife into his chest and then pried the hole open with their fingers so that they could get a hose into it so as to re-inflate his lung, without anaesthetic.

Would it have saved him if he'd taken my advice to use real track tires? I wouldn't bet against it, because he pushed wide off a corner and ended up underneath a chain fence... on Q2s. You gotta wonder why the tire companies even make racing compound tires, amirite?
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Your dogged determination to have the last word in every debate, whether you're right or wrong or even when there's no right or wrong answer (as in this case) is laughable. Why not offer your advice then STFU? Let people take it or not, as the case may be. Instead of ramming your message down everyones throat. It's tiresome, unnecessary and provokes conflict where there wasn't conflict.

If you constantly wanna pick fights go to your local bar. Or better still, talk to people at the track the same way you talk to them on here. See how that goes for you.
 
Maybe because I don't want to see OP on his head because of the wrong advice?

FYI: Track schools use Q2s because of *cost* not because of *ability*.
 
You seriously do know everything don't you? You are exhausting
 
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Shaman said:
Maybe because I don't want to see OP on his head because of the wrong advice?

FYI: Track schools use Q2s because of *cost* not because of *ability*.
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How exactly will a Q2 cause someone to land on their head? That doesn't involve rider action/error or physics. Give us an independent risk that solely rests on the tire. Highsides have happened on every tire brand to date, so you can't use that as a reason.

I've never heard a Q2 front tire explode on beginner speeds, let alone race pace. Track schools have a huge liability risk. I doubt that they would use the Q2's if they were as dangerous as you so wrongly make them sound.
 
I'm not saying Q2s are dangerous. I'm saying that they don't offer the grip or the handling that track tires do. Racing tire features provide a safety margin at the track that is not available from street tires. The Q2s have a hard-wearing center to them designed for the street, which has less grip than the edges which are of a softer material... great, right? Except that the SV 1000 has a big twin engine with no slipper clutch and will drag the back end around even on full-soft tires in braking zones, much less on a hard-wearing tire compound designed for long street life. The SV is a good bike, but its technology level is firmly based in the mid-90s.

I'll tell you what is dangerous: making newbie riders think they are better off on a tire that a high-end intermediate can go quickly on when they have none of the reflexes, none of the experience, none of the body positioning and none of the safety advances present on the current generation of supersport bikes. Inexperienced riders stress tires in ways no accomplished rider ever would, becuase they lack the smooth inputs, feel for available grip and knowledge of the proper cornering lines. In other words, they can use all the tire grip they can get. What group crashes at the track more than any other?

Crashing drives good people out of our sport, and in some cases it can ruin a family. People that choose to do the sport should take every sensible safety precaution. And that's why I feel passionate about using track-oriented tires at the track.
 
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I think the OP gets the gist of it.

Scuba Steve said:
Why jump off a 10 story building into a 5 foot deep pool if you have access to a 10ft deep one, just plain dumb not to have all the available traction you can get. Think of how much a crash costs and hurts, why not have extra traction in case you need it? It is way cheaper to use good tires than to save a couple of bux on street tires and crash.
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I can see how this makes sense from the point of view of mitigating the risk of the worst-case scenario; crashing. However if the prime consideration of track days was to not crash, then there would be no attendance.

The purpose of track days is to learn by pushing one's comfort zone, and for this, street tires are more forgiving (MORE saveable, contrary to your earlier post). While a race tire offers greater peak traction, lower performance tires offer a wider range of circumstances in which they provide controlable traction.

Nobody tells track newbies to go out there and just hammer it, like jumping off a building. The idea is to gradually increase one's speed with increased confidence until the limits of grip are explored (which may never happen). It would be more like skydiving, where racers want a fast, responsive shute to race to the bottom first, and novices want a slow, sluggish shute to learn on.
 
Chill boys, Shaman's just trying to help sharing his opinion, not forcing it on anyone. I don't know what beef some of you have with him and it's none of my business, but I can say for myself he's helped me a lot with many posts useful and informative not just once or twice, lol
 
Intermediate is where most crashes happen IMO. Any tire is going to drag wether it's soft or hard if you can't ride without a slipper clutch to save your ***.
 
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Intermediate is where most crashes happen IMO. Any tire is going to drag wether it's soft or hard if you can't ride without a slipper clutch to save your ***.
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...all the reason why I wish I had about $1,500 to furnish my 03 gsxr 1k with a slipper... ironically, the skill i need to wokr the most on is the downshift blip while braking hard... hope i'll get that thing down next season, that's my primary goal... that's why i also went -1/+3 gearing for next season---to make me have to do that more often than just two or three times per lap at TMP.
 
Corsara I've wanted a slipper for years too. Bonus part of not having one is freaking out the riders behind you as your tire hops around!

I'm lazy with my downshifts. Next bike will have one but seeing as mine is also an 03 I'm just gonna ride it as is until I upgrade.
 
Intermediate riders on street tires crash the most. I concur, with my addition. They have enough confidence to push to the bike package's limitations but not the experience to know when they're at the point of no return. Of course, the majority of crashes in the intermediate group aren't specifically caused by loss of grip... if I'm any judge of the matter, it's overconfidence, followed by sheer terror, followed by a poor choice of rider inputs.

There is rear tire drag, and then there's uncontrollable rear tire drag. I'm old enough to have sampled both and I know which I prefer. :)

I think, Fastar, that you and I disagree strongly. Newb riders will not decode the feedback from the tires well and tend to do things like stand the bike up or use the front brake at innapropriate times if the tires slip or get greasy. But I will say this: if you're going to use a street tire then for your own sake, at least pick one that isn't designed to last 10,000km on a litre bike, maybe something more like the Pirelli Supercorsa.
 
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Corsara said:
...all the reason why I wish I had about $1,500 to furnish my 03 gsxr 1k with a slipper... ironically, the skill i need to wokr the most on is the downshift blip while braking hard... hope i'll get that thing down next season, that's my primary goal... that's why i also went -1/+3 gearing for next season---to make me have to do that more often than just two or three times per lap at TMP.
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Pretty sure the slipper from an 05 and newer 1000 will fit in your 03. You have to grind a little here and there inside the cover, but the rest is a direct bolt on. I bet you can find a complete slipper from an 05/06 for around 100$. If you get the clutch cover off it youll even be able to adjust it!

heres a thread: http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75345
 
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Pretty sure the slipper from an 05 and newer 1000 will fit in your 03. You have to grind a little here and there inside the cover, but the rest is a direct bolt on. I bet you can find a complete slipper from an 05/06 for around 100$. If you get the clutch cover off it youll even be able to adjust it!

heres a thread: http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75345
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No friggin way..Dave, you just brightened my day! That thread is golden, I'm totally doing that! Now off to find me a used slipper!
 
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