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dricked said:
Those are the different steel plates you can order to adjust your stack height (9-10-11) the other is the last fiber that's different from the rest (larger ID and is a dark brown colour). The only way to do this properly is measure your fibers and figure out the steels that will get you to 49mm. If shamens plate reccomendations and your fibers equal 49mm +\- .2mm than go ahead. The amount of turns on the adjuster pins dictate the amount of slip. Unless your ordering new fibers and know the heights of the new plates you can't just order whatever and throw them in there.
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Ok, got it, thanks. But 49mm should be with or without the last fiber plate?

Shaman's steels measure up to 22.5 mm altogether, so his fibers should be about 26.5 mm for all 10 (or 9 ?!) fibers.

If I want to have all parts ready, maybe I should just go ahead and buy the fibers too. Like a kit of 9 plates like in here: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Clutch-Kit-D...h=item43b4887202&vxp=mtr&_uhb=1#ht_4022wt_932

Those are 3mm x 9 plates = 27mm. Even if the 49mm is just for 9 plates (you'll answer that I suppose), it's still above Shaman's specs.

Am I right to assume that if I get the following with the thinnest plates, I'll be good:

Fibers: 9 x 3mm = 27mm
Steels: 9 x 2.3mm = 20.7
Last fiber: 1.3mm ?!?!?!?!

..............Looks like I'll have to open it up and just measure the damn thicknesses, then order, no way around it I guess... what a messy day
 
That's all plates together and use oem plates. I have no idea what the thickness of a fiber plate is but you adjust the height with steels, the fibers are all the same except the last one. You could wait till early spring and pull it out two weeks early and check then.
 
dricked said:
That's all plates together and use oem plates. I have no idea what the thickness of a fiber plate is but you adjust the height with steels, the fibers are all the same except the last one. You could wait till early spring and pull it out two weeks early and check then.
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Ya, that's what I'll do. Thanks for the help, guys.
 
Jesus wept.
 
Shaman said:
I think the main reason that the plates are 2.6mm for most of them has to do more with heat dissipation and overall friction and POSSIBLY durability than with slip action, but the way mine is set up, I never have to think about the rear steering itself by itself. I'll see if I have more notes on the pin setup. Anyway, this was Suzuki's recommendation for competition and not something I trial-and-errored myself. Clint McBain's notes on the bike build led me to getting the recommendation.

BTW, to the best of my knowledge, the clutch on my 05 GSX-R (Joey McRae's old AM bike) was stock and it was good too, just not quite as refined as the feel of my 08. There's also a major difference between them that could be involved: the 05 is cable and the 08 is hydraulic.. the feel of these two clutch systems is very different to operate. I only brought it up because the clutch on the 08 after reworking it (it was grabby) is sublime.

Which brings up another point, the stock 05/6 clutch get pretty grabby; shudder on takeoff when they get worn a bit and the recommendations above were also made for that clutch and could be overall why Suzuki made the part numbers and spec available. I just wanted to relate what I found out, since you might as well have it set up right if you are going into the clutch basket.
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The 05 clutch chatter/grabbyness due to lack of oil is cured by doing this mod http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136907 . Corsara, you should check to see if it is done, if not, do it. I did it to my 06 when I first got it. Makes the world of difference
 
The chatter doesn't affect you once you're rolling, btw. I just ignored it for the most part on my 05 (and my street 06). But doing race starts? Not good.

FYI I couldn't find my notes on the clutch spring setup, they may be out in the trailer with the torque specsheet. I'll take a look in the morning.
 
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Shaman said:
FYI I couldn't find my notes on the clutch spring setup, they may be out in the trailer with the torque specsheet. I'll take a look in the morning.
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Thanks. You'll also have to explain to me what does it do.
 
Corsara said:
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Well I've decided to order brand new OEM steel and friction plates. So now I wonder which thickness to order for the second plate: #9 (2.3mm), #10 (2.0mm) or #11 (2.6mm). Is it right to assume that if everything is OEM and new, the first one (#9) should bring the stack to out-of-factory stack thickness?

Another question about the springs (#5) in the diagram: should I buy new ones, so that I have a completely refreshed new clutch off the start, or I shouldn't bother? Apparently people put stiffer springs in there, but I don't want to need more hand effort to squeeze the clutch, so I don't know.

EDIT: Or I should just buy one of those Barnett complete kits that come with everything including the springs, and probably cost less?

EDIT 2: I think I'll order everything OEM (with the #9 second plate), and new Barnett springs as noted in another forum that it's a good combo.

...and EDIT 3: I'll go stock everything, the stiffer Barnett springs will kill my hand. I love answering my own questions.
 
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Or you could just go ahead and ride :)
 
Jayv said:
If you are running t-days, ask yourself do you really need the cost of extra rotors? Do you really need rain tires, extra rims? The track i presume you are doing most of you days at doesn't need to pre booked in advance for fear of being oversold.
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all about waiting for the right deal. got a rain tire package and front and rear sv650 rims with sprocket and disks for $300 from two people on here.
thats the price of two trackdays that i can now ride in, although i actually bought them so i can run the track bike on the street and not change over tires.
 
Corsara said:
...and EDIT 3: I'll go stock everything, the stiffer Barnett springs will kill my hand. I love answering my own questions.
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Goddamn, oem fibers, steels, gasket, couple of the rings I'm missing, the springs = $350 before tax, jesus.. Ordered everything I need without the fibers and steels, will have to pull the old clutch and see if I can reuse the fibers as they'll fit in the new clutch as well. Depending on that I might play around with different steel thicknesses to bring the stack height up to spec.
 
Corsara said:
Goddamn, oem fibers, steels, gasket, couple of the rings I'm missing, the springs = $350 before tax, jesus.. Ordered everything I need without the fibers and steels, will have to pull the old clutch and see if I can reuse the fibers as they'll fit in the new clutch as well. Depending on that I might play around with different steel thicknesses to bring the stack height up to spec.
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I have a suggestion for you. Move somewhere warm for the winter so you can ride instead of modify. Winter is costing you too much in bike upgrades :lol:
 
doozerdave said:
I have a suggestion for you. Move somewhere warm for the winter so you can ride instead of modify. Winter is costing you too much in bike upgrades :lol:
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Very true! Just looking at the bike in the garage doesn't satisfy the desire to get involved with it. It's either ridin' or buying, lol..
 
Corsara said:
Very true! Just looking at the bike in the garage doesn't satisfy the desire to get involved with it. It's either ridin' or buying, lol..
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I hear ya. So far I've managed to put $0 into my SV this winter. My YZ on the other hand.... dammit. haha
 
doozerdave said:
I hear ya. So far I've managed to put $0 into my SV this winter. My YZ on the other hand.... dammit. haha
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Your yz is much more snow friendly than the sv for sure...maybe you pulled the trigger on studded tires or something :) don't wanna give you ideas...but you definitely need to get such! :D
 
doozerdave said:
I have a suggestion for you. Move somewhere warm for the winter so you can ride instead of modify. Winter is costing you too much in bike upgrades :lol:
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His problem will be, when he eventually does ride and the bike feels a bit off, he wont have a clue where to start looking for a solution.
 
I'm running full ohlins suspension , and dampner , light rims , bigger rotors , new lines , full exaust with pc5 , and a slipper clutch, I'm going to be riding a totally new bike this year, everything will feel off lol
 
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