Toronto anti-Uber protest - These TO taxi drivers are #@$%!!!!

taximan62 said:
As usual a few bad apples spoil the bunch. I am not in the Toronto industry and not all cabbies are bad drivers nor are all taxis smelly and dirty. Toronto is not the only market in Canada and to paint everyone by the same brush is unfair.
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It's not a few bad apples, it's the majority of downtown cab drivers. I've never, ever had a good experience, and with the amount of bitching people do about cabbies, their conditions (personal and cars) and the unsafe way they drive I'd say that the majority of people would agree. Only reason the industry has survived is because of the monopoly, average person can't afford a taxi plate and therefore goes to work for a big cab company.

Imagine if everyone turned in their plates and didn't pay the city. Toronto would then figure out in a hurry how to generate revenue from the Uber or likes.

It's not our fight, nor do we want to fight for the cabbies. They bully their way around the city and don't follow their rules (refusing small fare etc) nor the rules of the road.
 
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Uber is here to stay. Even if the cabbies succeed in their current quest, they'll eventually be replaced by driverless cars which are coming. Telematics and mobile technology has a lot more capabilities than most people think in how we drive and transport people.
 
taximan62 said:
As a taxi we are prohibited by law to charge anything but the prescribed rate prices the city decides is fair.
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Untrue. You mean the priviledged few decides for the city on what is fair. Uber pricing is probably the closest to what the city thinks is fair, and it's based on supply & demand.
 
Motorcycle Mike said:
It would be possible to order an uber ride from the airport though, right?

I suppose the risk would be with the uber driver as there is a chance that their call is security trying to bust them.

I wonder, if only to protect uber drivers from ******** fines and harassment, if uber shouldn't initial a sort of verified user system?



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The issue at the airport as far as I know is another monopoly situation, where certain taxi companies have a contract to be able to park and wait at the airport. Normal taxis are not aloud to park there waiting for customers if I understand correctly.

Im sure Uber drivers will start to cash in on that market also, they could park close by, and still take business. I know Id wait 3 minutes for an Uber to save $20+ on a fare
 
Motorcycle Mike said:
It would be possible to order an uber ride from the airport though, right?

I suppose the risk would be with the uber driver as there is a chance that their call is security trying to bust them.

I wonder, if only to protect uber drivers from ******** fines and harassment, if uber shouldn't initial a sort of verified user system?

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Just would like to say there were unlicensed car services with soccer moms in nice clean vehicles long before Uber, advertised through referrals. Uber is just the convenient technology enabler.
 
https://youtu.be/BVBEvp9BBZE Now that's funny.

The only time i've been hit by a car was a U-turning scumbag taxi driver on king st west, who promptly took off, if both my brake levers weren't broken, i certainly would have chased him down and....
I bet it wasn't the correct driver of the cab and licence, as we allready see by that previous article.
Middlemen, scammers, exploitation, you name it, anything for profit is ok right? Shame.
 
taximan62 said:
As usual a few bad apples spoil the bunch. I am not in the Toronto industry and not all cabbies are bad drivers nor are all taxis smelly and dirty. Toronto is not the only market in Canada and to paint everyone by the same brush is unfair.
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No. You're wrong. It's a great sounding number of cab drivers (and their companies) who are the reason why the public is choosing Uber over the cab mafia.

Sorry not sorry that you're in the industry, adapt and evolve or, sadly, be a witness to the not-so-slow death of this monopoly.

Long live Uber.
 
AGAVE said:
https://youtu.be/BVBEvp9BBZE Now that's funny.

The only time i've been hit by a car was a U-turning scumbag taxi driver on king st west, who promptly took off, if both my brake levers weren't broken, i certainly would have chased him down and....
I bet it wasn't the correct driver of the cab and licence, as we allready see by that previous article.
Middlemen, scammers, exploitation, you name it, anything for profit is ok right? Shame.
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That video was awesome
 
If the drivers are making as little as the article claims, why are they protesting? I made more delivering pizza in high school. Are they too blind to see good things can come out of disrupting the system.


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Simple solution to airport taxis and uber. Take the train from T1 or T3 to Viscount stop where long term parking is. Ask Uber to meet you there. Voila. Legal for him and cheap for you.
 
ashkan said:
For example, i live in Mississaus and work downtown. I would very rarely cab it to work/back but since itd cost around $160 both ways but since Uber, ive been doing it on average once a week if not more.

Paying $40 (one way) makes sense to me since it costs the driver $5-10 in gas and the rest is his an it takes him 25-35 minutes to get there. So he makes around $25-30 in one hour (or $50-60 if he picks up a passenger on his way back but even $30 isnt bad money for one hour even when you take his car maintenance into consideration). Where as the traditional cab used to cost me $80 one way and for what? Im paying $80 for a 35 minute service? I better be getting a massage in the back from a very hot chick lol
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I have no dispute with your numbers. I was a taxi owner operator for 6 years, in Barrie not in Toronto but let's analyze them a bit.
If the taxi charged you $80 one way it was about a 40 km trip since most taxi rates are about $2 per km. So the Uber guy charged you $40. He has to pay Uber 20% so he cleared $$32. Now it costs at least $.40 per km to run an automobile, if you don't believe that Canada Revenue Agency allows $.55/km for the 1st 5000 km and $.49 per km after that and I think people know the CRA would not give an allowance much above the actual cost. Therefore the Uber driver's actual car expenses for the 40 km trip will be at least $.40 x 40km =$16.00 so he is now down to clearing $32-$16 = $16. However his actual cost does not end there because a transportation service, be it a taxi or Uber driver has some dead non paying miles traveling to pick up the customer and perhaps returning closer to his home area after he drops off. My guess would be about 50% of his km are dead run. In Barrie we averaged 1km dead for every km paid but the GTA city is more densely populated so it should be less. So Uber driver's costs go up by $8 to cover the dead kms. Now the poor Uber driver is down to only $8 profit on this $40 run. Now if he ever gets caught and has to pay GST on the $40 he loses another $5.20 so the poor guy is down to $2.80 But Uber driver thinks he made $32 less gas cost
Summation: Fare $40
Uber fee $8
Cost of paid km $16
Cost of unpaid km $8
Net profit $8
If nailed for GST $5.20
Net Net profit $2.80
 
And yet Uber drivers still clear about $15 an hour on average after expenses. It isn't great money, but better than most Toronto cabbies, protesting for their owners' rights to grow even richer off their blood and sweat are making.
 
Sounds like "Trucker Math" to me... Similar B.S. type of rationale for why truck drivers are paid so little. If Uber is paying so little then the Cab industry should have nothing to fear than.
 
Too lazy to Google...what is Uberblack?
And as we debate all of this, the Canadian born Uber cofounder is bathing in his $10 Billion dollar net worth. Damn.

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Just saw this on The Twitter :
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Uberblack is the higher level of vehicle offered. If you order Uber black you know only higher end luxury vehicles will show up.

It doesnt take .40c a km to run a vehicle unless you drive a totally unreliable POS that guzzles gas. i get paid by my company for mileage and have calculated my expenses over last two years vs amount paid. Im around 22c per km.
im not including insurance or plating as i would have to do that whether im using it for personal reasons only or not.

in the end you basically insulted every Uber driver by saying they dont know how to do simple math. If it did pay so badly they would have realized the costs in a day or two and stopped. Not like they are invested heavily into it.

Taxi math simply doesnt work. Theres enough min wage work out there if they were only making $40 to $50 a night, there wouldnt be a single taxi on the roads, let alone a fight for extraordinarily expensive plate ownerships.

Joe Bass said:
Too lazy to Google...what is Uberblack?
And as we debate all of this, the Canadian born Uber cofounder is bathing in his $10 Billion dollar net worth. Damn.

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Thanks @Red_Liner740

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