Topic: marijuana

Snobike Mike said:
Then you understand that several of your biases conflict with each other (which in turn question how pro intellectual you actually are).
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Do, please explain.

Actually, never mind. Our personal biases and beliefs make us blind and deaf to each other. No point.

I can no more fathom your political views, than you can mine. It goes against our very natures. We each consider the other mentally challenged.
 
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Snobike Mike said:
Given that justin is using Obama political advisers, it's amazing that people aren't shaking in their boots up here over how badly justin is going to screw this country just like Obama has in the US.

Oh the apathy and ignorance of the electorate.
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I don't shake a whole lot at that prospect as I understand how the American system works, and how little real power the American President has in their system. That's where the "apathy and ignorance of the electorate" is really benefiting the Republicans, these days. Even the President's biggest power, veto, can only send a bill back for another vote.

By way of comparison the leader of the ruling party, in Canada, is the Prime Minister. He can kick people out of the party. He can (and does) rule with an iron fist.

Do I like that politicians are bringing American politicos up to advise them on election strategies? Not on your life. Do I like that Trudeau has steadfastly refused to go for negative campaigning, despite what is being said about him by Harper and Mulcair? Absobloodylutely.

*EDIT* Now that you've been running this conversation around the block, for a while, let's flip it. What are your reasons for supporting Harper, given all that he's done and not done for this country? Is it just because of the name of the party he leads, or can you substantiate it with more than just rhetoric?
 
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Rob it sounds like you voted for Harper and are now regretting that decision. Can you run down a brief list of your disappointments? I'm genuinely curious.. no need to write a novel, just short point form would do. I'm not well versed enough in politics, and my memory is absolutely terrible, so I don't immediately associate broken platform and election promises to actual acts.
 
Schneller said:
Do, please explain.

Actually, never mind. Our personal biases and beliefs make us blind and deaf to each other. No point.

I can no more fathom your political views, than you can mine. It goes against our very natures. We each consider the other mentally challenged.
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Considering you are pro intellectual why are you giving up so quickly?

Since I won't give up so quickly, let me ask you what you mean by "anti governmental moral control"?
 
Rob MacLennan; said:
*EDIT* Now that you've been running this conversation around the block, for a while, let's flip it. What are your reasons for supporting Harper, given all that he's done and not done for this country? Is it just because of the name of the party he leads, or can you substantiate it with more than just rhetoric?
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First off, I've been speaking largely about shiny pony, and my angst towards him ever leading/wrecking our country worse than his father did.

Also, please note that we whole heartedly agree on the NDP. Whew, at least we're down to 2 to argue about (advise from throwing split votes to fringe parties).

It is however not entirely the correct conclusion that my disdain for justin means I unilaterally support Harper.

For me, given the choice of dipper extreme left, liberal very left, and conservative center, yes a Rob, I will vote center, because there is practically no other choice.

Would I prefer the cons to live up to their party name? Absobloodylutely.

So, I will most likely vote con, because there is no way I want to let justin screw us up huge. He will reveal himself to be just as big a liar as the rest of them, I just don't want to give him a chance to do it as the federal leader.
 
mmmnaked said:
Rob it sounds like you voted for Harper and are now regretting that decision. Can you run down a brief list of your disappointments? I'm genuinely curious.. no need to write a novel, just short point form would do. I'm not well versed enough in politics, and my memory is absolutely terrible, so I don't immediately associate broken platform and election promises to actual acts.
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Yes, I voted for him once, but not on the subsequent occasions.

Think back to that first election, when while campaigning he was pointing to the things that the Liberals had done wrong and swore that his government would never do such things. He also said that they would be an "open and honest" government. So let's examine that.

- Floor Crossing - Decried how the Liberals had enticed a Conservative (Belinda Stronach) to cross the floor. This was a very big deal to them and they tried to have a law passed requiring a by-election, if someone did cross. Once elected he almost immediately brought David Emerson across the floor. As with Stronach, the price of admission was a cabinet seat.

- Open and Honest Government - Harper has held a tighter rein on his Cabinet Ministers than any Prime Minister in recent memory. You can't be "open and honest" if you never open your mouth. Then there was his ducking of the Ethics Commissioner over the Grewal affair. He even tried to have the Ethics Commissioner replaced. Seems to me that Rob Ford tried to do something similar.

- Contempt of Parliament - Failing to provide a full accounting of the costs of the crime bill was the trigger, but there was also the failure to disclose the full costs of the F35 fighter jet programme. At the time the Conservatives were in a minority government situation, and yet wanted the majority of representatives to sign off on these bills? I don't know about you, but I don't go around handing out many blank cheques.

- An Elected Senate - That seems to have gone the way of the dodo, once Harper was in a position to start naming his own people to the Senate. We all know how that has been going lately and it has resulted in more than a few little scandals.

Those are just a few, off the top of my head. I could write a 5,000 word essay on it, given a couple of days to pull the information. The short strokes are that his government is nothing like it promised to be and shows every bit as much of a self serving nature, as the previous Liberal government that it replaced. I'm no fan of people who do wrong. People who are hypocrites AND do wrong earn a special place in hell.
 
Snobike Mike said:
Considering you are pro intellectual why are you giving up so quickly?

Since I won't give up so quickly, let me ask you what you mean by "anti governmental moral control"?
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I can understand when further discussion is futile.


i am against the government making policy based on moral criteria rather than scientific. For example, a government making homosexuality illegal. This is a morality based policy, and not serving the good of society.

For another example, scientific evidence suggests that marijuana consumption is less harmful to the consumer and those around him, than alcohol is. Yet, alcohol is legal, and marijuana is illegal. That's just an example. It's not my reason for living.

Murder and theft is morally wrong but also detrimental to society, so let's not use that as a counter argument.
 
Snobike Mike said:
First off, I've been speaking largely about shiny pony, and my angst towards him ever leading/wrecking our country worse than his father did.

Also, please note that we whole heartedly agree on the NDP. Whew, at least we're down to 2 to argue about (advise from throwing split votes to fringe parties).

It is however not entirely the correct conclusion that my disdain for justin means I unilaterally support Harper.

For me, given the choice of dipper extreme left, liberal very left, and conservative center, yes a Rob, I will vote center, because there is practically no other choice.

Would I prefer the cons to live up to their party name? Absobloodylutely.

So, I will most likely vote con, because there is no way I want to let justin screw us up huge. He will reveal himself to be just as big a liar as the rest of them, I just don't want to give him a chance to do it as the federal leader.
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So, as I postulated before you're willing to put a proven liar and obfuscator into office, simply because you're afraid that someone else might do the same. Given the choice of having two guns pointed at me, one in which I can see the bullet and one in which I can't, and knowing that the trigger is going to be pulled at some point, I think that I prefer to choose the gun that might not have a bullet in it.
 
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Schneller said:
I can understand when further discussion is futile.


i am against the government making policy based on moral criteria rather than scientific. For example, a government making homosexuality illegal. This is a morality based policy, and not serving the good of society.

For another example, scientific evidence suggests that marijuana consumption is less harmful to the consumer and those around him, than alcohol is. Yet, alcohol is legal, and marijuana is illegal. That's just an example. It's not my reason for living.

Murder and theft is morally wrong but also detrimental to society, so let's not use that as a counter argument.
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So you actually agree that some morality based governance is ok, but only as long as it fits your worldview.

Got it.
 
Schneller said:
Interesting. Same thing has happened in Canada: the Harper government has terminated programs and scientists who present data that don't support morals-based government policies.

It was Pierre e Trudeau that said that the government has no business in people's bedrooms, on another morals-based government policy, back in the 1960's.

Damn straight, I'm voting for Trudeau this time around. Voting for Harper is voting against science, and voting for a government that wants to control morality and rational choice. They are almost as scary as the anti-intellectual republicans in the US.

btw, I do recognize my own personal biases: pro-rational, pro-science, pro-choice, pro-intellectualism, anti-government moral control.
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Funny how the Liberal & NDP gun control agenda is completely contrary to any of that, lol! The Liberals & NDPs are ALL about social engineering via propaganda.

http://youtu.be/M0KYnpeZVnQ

IMO, the Conservative's latest commercial trying to shoot down legalizing pot, was nothing but a good argument for it's legalization. It's not "easy" or "legal" for kids to buy alcohol or cigarettes. Can they get it anyway? Sure they can. They can get pot & other drugs too. Might as well make it safe via regulation & quality control instead of risking peoples lives with potential for dangerous "cutting" agents and no quality control standards. Gov't stands to gain $70-$140 million per month in tax revenue as well.
 
Snobike Mike said:
Given that justin is using Obama political advisers, it's amazing that people aren't shaking in their boots up here over how badly justin is going to screw this country just like Obama has in the US.

Oh the apathy and ignorance of the electorate.
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Yea the US really have become a distopian backwater as of late. I recently went to Washington dc and it was literally a wasteland dead bodies in the streets, roaming gangs of thugs in modified cars killing people to steal their gasoline I had to fight my way out and liberate a small number of good people being used by the war lord Jiumhun sung to mine salt.

FACTS
 
Two50noob said:
Yea the US really have become a distopian backwater as of late. I recently went to Washington dc and it was literally a wasteland dead bodies in the streets, roaming gangs of thugs in modified cars killing people to steal their gasoline I had to fight my way out and liberate a small number of good people being used by the war lord Jiumhun sung to mine salt.

FACTS
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I'll start a Obama thread just for you and Scheller...... ;)
 
You guys want something scary? Go to YouTube, search "salvia" 100% legal, canada and the us. For sale at all head shops, some convenience stores. Kids are doing it and it's scary as hell.


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