When my son watches a movie/cartoon he asks 'why aren't they wearing masks?'
It saddens me that this is his world view. I understand it...but it saddens me.
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To be masked or not to be masked
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It saddens me that this is his world view. I understand it...but it saddens me.
That's the cohort I was talking about Grey Ghost. MP it is sad. I feel for your son.
For quite a few kids this is their perception of the world. It is their world but they are kids and soon enough will have little or no memory of it. That's the great thing about kids , like wearing a bicycle or ski helmet, life jacket on the docks, putting on a seatbelt. They just do it because that's how it gets done. I like kids (other peoples kids)
Always told my friends I don’t want to deal with your kids until I can speak to them eye to eye.
Kiddos have been alright with them and are used to them now. But gotta say, doing taekwon do sparring with full gear on and mask starts getting a bit cumbersome.
You basically get a wet mask from the sweat and it gets harder to breathe through a wet cloth. So i feel for her.
BigEvilDoer
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I know a guy with a similar attitude. Very fit. Works out all the time. Asian.
Got the Covid.
Still suffering long term effects 11 months later. Lung capacity greatly reduced. Regular nausea.
All I can suggest is don’t let bravado overcome common sense.
I work hard outdoors almost all day. With a mask on. No issues.
ifiddles
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@woot I agree, and it will be very important for everyone (parents and teachers) to stress the importance that if someone chooses to continue to wear it (either through their own volition of because their parents make them) then we have to respect that and not bother them about it...kids don't have to wear them outside at recess, however we have many that still do...I've actually not seen or heard of anyone getting bullied because of that, so I'm hoping that mentality will filter into the classroom setting as well...
Many of us will go through it fairly well. Some will go on as if nothing, and some will be hit like a ton of bricks.
My best case friend went through like nothing.
Unvaccinated friend went through so so but overall was fine.
One buddy got COVID before vaccinations were available and was on the brink of deaths door before the doctors brought him back with 2 medically induced comas.
All of his vital organs were hooked up to machines.
Now his family is fleeing Kiev as they’re getting bombarded and are hiding out on a farm in the west part of Ukraine. Tough year for their family.
BigEvilDoer
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Just like the vaccines. I went though all 3 shots with pretty much zero side effects. Others hit by a ton of bricks.
All I meant with my previous comment was, just because you’re sick of masks doesn’t mean they’re not helpful.
Kind of like car insurance… it’s a huge waste of money and inconvenience until you actually need it.
I look at masks the same way.
I know people with tons of bravado that were devastated by covid, whilst others had nothing…
Me, I’ll be wearing a mask for a while after the Requirements are removed. Part of the job, and also personal choice outside of that.
*edit - added the “Me, I’ll be…” line.
I know it can happen.
That's an edge case btw. I work with some folks who work w/ the data directly: most severely impacted are immune-compromised individuals (aka. old people.)
I'm not an edge case (I've had COVID and know a few who've had it; we wear masks and have vaccines.) Putting this out there because you can roll the die; it's just selfish af lol
That's not a valid assumption.
There a dozens of reasons to be immune compromised - while older people do have weaker immune systems as a general rule....anyone in cancer treatment does, almost any auto-immune disease, one associate has chrons for instance and takes Remicade, my kid has type one diabetes AND being treated for brain cancer.
They are all immune compromised until they die and even if they survive as I did, it takes a while to get back to healthy.
this is not over 700,000 cases age 20-59 ....
COVID-19 in Ontario: January 15, 2020 to March 5, 2022
and of course many treatments have been delayed due to covid putting added pressure on overloaded hospitals so keeping a mask on in grocery stores and other venues is not such a big ask.
His assumption is that he won't die from COVID when he gets it again. Not that he won't get it.That's not a valid assumption.
There a dozens of reasons to be immune compromised - while older people do have weaker immune systems as a general rule....anyone in cancer treatment does, almost any auto-immune disease, one associate has chrons for instance and takes Remicade, my kid has type one diabetes AND being treated for brain cancer.
They are all immune compromised until they die and even if they survive as I did, it takes a while to get back to healthy.
this is not over 700,000 cases age 20-59 ....
COVID-19 in Ontario: January 15, 2020 to March 5, 2022
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and of course many treatments have been delayed due to covid putting added pressure on overloaded hospitals so keeping a mask on in grocery stores and other venues is not such a big ask.
Your data only shows people getting it. Everyone except a very few lucky ones will get it, eventually.
Government was having a hard time showing rates by age/vaccination status after October.
All Ontario: Case numbers and spread
Here's a pdf of hospitalizations & deaths by age group:
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...aths-ontario-quick-epi-summary.pdf?sc_lang=en
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His assumption is only old people are immune supressed .... ( aka old people )
That assumption is not true
and it's not about him, or you or me
....it's about those that are immune supressed being able to go out safely while there remains a very contagious covid virus circulating widely in the community.
I'll stick with the mask for their sake and my own. I felt what not getting enough oxygen was like at 15,500 ' in the Andes in March 2020 ....I'm not in the least interested a repeat.
Eye level with permanent snow....if you move really slow ...you can just get enough oxygen. Lake full of wild birds and barely had enough energy to take some shots.....and of the higher Andes beyond us.
Even here at 13,000' the day before it was a struggle.
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If you run the numbers, age seems to matter more than immune suppression.
If you're going to wear a mask, get a case of certified N95s and some training as to how to put them on and remove them properly, otherwise they're just a soother/pacifier for adults.
If you're going to wear a mask, get a case of certified N95s and some training as to how to put them on and remove them properly, otherwise they're just a soother/pacifier for adults.
Ummm I think I have some expertise in house on that with a surgical nurse as a partner.
Yes there are more deaths in an older population .....so what ....are you suddenly triaging that we can sacrifice more of them and the thousands of other immuno supressed for you wanting not to wear a mask in a grocery store?
This is NOT over
www.thestar.com
Yes there are more deaths in an older population .....so what ....are you suddenly triaging that we can sacrifice more of them and the thousands of other immuno supressed for you wanting not to wear a mask in a grocery store?
This is NOT over
Trauma, tears and bone-deep fatigue. Behind the scenes at a hospital still feeling the crush of COVID
The Star’s Megan Ogilvie and Steve Russell spent a day inside Mackenzie Richmond Hill Hospital to see the toll COVID has had on health workers.
www.thestar.com
The dropping of mask mandates has been getting louder slowly and I think it's inevitable within the next few weeks. I think I heard end of March break or something...so that's in 2 weeks.
I'm at the office for the first time today...1/5 of the office is in....the rest are still work from home. Ridiculous as our 'in person' meetings are still over TEAMS. Mask wearing required. Company hasn't provided new masks, or the promised COVID rapid tests....and I work for the govt!
I'm at the office for the first time today...1/5 of the office is in....the rest are still work from home. Ridiculous as our 'in person' meetings are still over TEAMS. Mask wearing required. Company hasn't provided new masks, or the promised COVID rapid tests....and I work for the govt!
Ummm I think I have some expertise in house on that with a surgical nurse as a partner.
Yes there are more deaths in an older population .....so what ....are you suddenly triaging that we can sacrifice more of them and the thousands of other immuno supressed for you wanting not to wear a mask in a grocery store?
This is NOT over
Trauma, tears and bone-deep fatigue. Behind the scenes at a hospital still feeling the crush of COVID
The Star’s Megan Ogilvie and Steve Russell spent a day inside Mackenzie Richmond Hill Hospital to see the toll COVID has had on health workers.
I'm not an expert in what I've posted. It was part of a discussion between myself, two doctors, and a public health manager for COVID.
While I said I what I did in a tongue in cheek fashion....the vast majority dead age related immunocompromised individuals. Yes, you have noticable outliers with genetic issues (cancer, sickle cell, etc.)
What I simply meant was: luck (aka. stats) are on my side and if I didn't wear a mask or have my vaccines, I'd kill a bunch of old ppl indirectly...like some of my moron anti mask coworkers.
DownUnder
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I agree, if someone is immuno compromised or elderly they should get the N95s with the vents and protect themselves. There's no reason the entire population should have to bubblewrap for a small minority of the population that can do something to protect themselves ie. Vaccinate, wear an n95 mask, social distance, sanitize frequently, don't hang around big crowds indoors etc etc.
I'm kinda on this side tbh but hard for me to fully commit to it.
The discussion my buddies and I had were along the lines of Earth is over populated and many species have "natural selection" to keep things balanced (aka. something will kill things out of balance.) This led to the COVID stats being pulled out and discussions pandemics being nature's balancing measures by killing the excess (generally, those weaker.)
The above got extremely morbid where we realized we'd have a lot more money if we'd have just let the virus go haywire.
But if we go with the above train of thought, survival of the fittest, then why are we paying for anyone weaker via taxes? Fun discussion...probably offensive af for the crowd here tho
A lot of people here in GTAM find DownUnder's posts and yours offensive. Being a senior, i take particular offence to them. Just so you know where you stand.I don't think you two do understand enough outside of your own personal bubble.
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