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FriendlyFoe said:
Also going to suggest as a novice track rider you dont give riding suggestions to anyone. Her body positioning is actually worse in the second picture, and you dont have any idea why. Track days always have control riders, if she needs someone to give her advice send her to one of them, they're usually happy to pace for a few laps and give advice.
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That's why I be a good gf and nod but then go ask someone more track experienced to get their opinion instead. No offense Jamie :p

And I agree with you about the first pic being better. I was tired after lunch when the second pic was taken.
 
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You don't look tired per say, your butt is just way too far off the seat, which is going to cause you to support your weight on the peg and handle bars. General theory is one butt cheek off the seat and work on getting your upper body off the bike, low and to the inside. In a perfect world at full lean the majority of your weight will be supported by your outside leg hanging from the tank, and no weight on the bars. Not saying I've achieved that, but its the goal.
 
FriendlyFoe said:
You don't look tired per say, your butt is just way too far off the seat, which is going to cause you to support your weight on the peg and handle bars. General theory is one butt cheek off the seat and work on getting your upper body off the bike, low and to the inside. In a perfect world at full lean the majority of your weight will be supported by your outside leg hanging from the tank, and no weight on the bars. Not saying I've achieved that, but its the goal.
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No weight on the inside peg then? You're suggesting we add our own body weight to the already heavy motorcycle we're trying to stop hitting the ground?
 
FriendlyFoe said:
You don't look tired per say, your butt is just way too far off the seat, which is going to cause you to support your weight on the peg and handle bars. General theory is one butt cheek off the seat and work on getting your upper body off the bike, low and to the inside. In a perfect world at full lean the majority of your weight will be supported by your outside leg hanging from the tank, and no weight on the bars. Not saying I've achieved that, but its the goal.
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That's what I teach beginners. When I lead on the track I exaggerate body position regardless of speed to get people to lean off more. People who aren't used to it feel that half a cheek is hanging off really far. Back of the thigh on the seat and outside elbow as a psychological anchor on the tank works really well for body position. Weighting is always done through the pegs, if your weight is across the tank (don't know how you'd get it that high) you'll never be able to weight the outside peg and stand the bike up on corner exit.
 
Fiery254 said:
No weight on the inside peg then? You're suggesting we add our own body weight to the already heavy motorcycle we're trying to stop hitting the ground?
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At full lean a big portion of your weight is supported by hanging from the outside of the bike. It's not possible to get all your weight off the inside peg (nor did i say that), and its not necessarily intuitive to anchor yourself with your outside leg, hence why i would tell a new rider to use their outside leg to support as much of their weight as possible.

If you feel thats misleading or bad advice lets continue to discuss it! Sircastic has it phrased very well. My comment was in regards to the picture where when you're too far off the seat it forces you to put all of your weight on the peg and bar, which at some point will make it impossible to lean the bike farther without falling off. You need that outside anchor point.

Edit: i think the discrepancy is in how i phrase support your weight. Anchor point is much more clear because your body weight is low and to the inside.
 
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FriendlyFoe said:
At full lean a big portion of your weight is supported by hanging from the outside of the bike. It's not possible to get all your weight off the inside peg (nor did i say that), and its not necessarily intuitive to anchor yourself with your outside leg, hence why i would tell a new rider to use their outside leg to support as much of their weight as possible.

If you feel thats misleading or bad advice lets continue to discuss it! Sircastic has it phrased very well. My comment was in regards to the picture where when you're too far off the seat it forces you to put all of your weight on the peg and bar, which at some point will make it impossible to lean the bike farther without falling off. You need that outside anchor point.
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So far as I can picture what I do, at full or part lean most of my weight is on my inside peg. I'm putting as little weight on the body of the bike itself as I want to be able to transition quickly and having to unload unnecessary weight from the bike itself is slow and not good technique. Also, as I stated previously, the thought of loading extra weight (ie body weight) to the motorcycle is a bit silly and counterintuitive imo. The whole idea of getting off the bike is to use your body/head weight for cornering and to leave the bike as light and upright as possible. However this is just what works for me. You can ride what feels best for you and I can ride whats best for me.
 
Fiery254 said:
No weight on the inside peg then? You're suggesting we add our own body weight to the already heavy motorcycle we're trying to stop hitting the ground?
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I'd like to see the free-body diagram showing what's supporting your weight.. :)
 
Fiery254 said:
So far as I can picture what I do, at full or part lean most of my weight is on my inside peg. I'm putting as little weight on the body of the bike itself as I want to be able to transition quickly and having to unload unnecessary weight from the bike itself is slow and not good technique. Also, as I stated previously, the thought of loading extra weight (ie body weight) to the motorcycle is a bit silly and counterintuitive imo. The whole idea of getting off the bike is to use your body/head weight for cornering and to leave the bike as light and upright as possible. However this is just what works for me. You can ride what feels best for you and I can ride whats best for me.
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By anchoring (and essentially hanging) from the tank with your outside leg you're still able to get your upper body weight off the bike, and having less weight on the inside peg allows you to keep weight off the bars as well. When i finally figured out how to anchor myself off the outside of the tank how quickly i get tired on the track went down almost in half.

For a more advanced technique, not because it's hard but because i find it incredibly distracting, you'll notice that most all of the pros when setting up for a long sweeper move their foot positioning on the outside peg from being on the ball to being in the arch of your foot. That was a revelation for me, it changes from being just your knee in contact with the outside of the tank, to your entire inner thigh. Not applicable for fast direction changes.

Now if there was only a technique for not being scared of the outside few mm of my tire.
 
FriendlyFoe said:
By anchoring (and essentially hanging) from the tank with your outside leg you're still able to get your upper body weight off the bike, and having less weight on the inside peg allows you to keep weight off the bars as well. When i finally figured out how to anchor myself off the outside of the tank how quickly i get tired on the track went down almost in half.

For a more advanced technique, not because it's hard but because i find it incredibly distracting, you'll notice that most all of the pros when setting up for a long sweeper move their foot positioning on the outside peg from being on the ball to being in the arch of your foot. That was a revelation for me, it changes from being just your knee in contact with the outside of the tank, to your entire inner thigh. Not applicable for fast direction changes.

Now if there was only a technique for not being scared of the outside few mm of my tire.
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It's easier to hang off further this way as your knee can bend rather than twisting and possibly slipping off the peg. It also makes it a lot less tiring weighting the outside peg on corner exit as well.
 
FriendlyFoe said:
Edit: i think the discrepancy is in how i phrase support your weight. Anchor point is much more clear because your body weight is low and to the inside.
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I'm finding it difficult to put into words something I do almost automatically. I'd agree there. Chances are, our techniques aren't that different. It's just you put greater store in certain parts of the process than I do. I have strong legs and decent core strength so riding on my toes for 2 or 3 days doesn't particularly bother me. And I've never really suffered from arm pump either. So, again, finding a position which doesnt cause stress to my body is kinda secondary to making it round the corner in the best way possible.
 
Fiery254 said:
I'm finding it difficult to put into words something I do almost automatically.
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I noticed..the bike is always supporting your weight..you can only move the point where the weight is acting on the bike. :)
 
invictus43 said:
I noticed..the bike is always supporting your weight..you can only move the point where the weight is acting on the bike. :)
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You mean you can't hover over your motorcycle like me? Loser.
 
Here's one more vid from Saturday.

[video=youtube_share;v80fldRSqb8]http://youtu.be/v80fldRSqb8[/video]
 
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