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carboncat said:
How is TMP typically a low heat, slippery, bumpy track ?? wtf are you talking about?
I never have traction problems, there's only bumps on the track if your off line, and my tires get trashed when I go there.
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WTF am I talking about? hmmmm

1) The consensus is that TMP is a track that actually does not allow much more that 65 to 70C heat into the tires.....and generally speaking is considered a track that can actually lose or not generate enough heat in slicks or DOT tires (for optimum performance).
2) TMP is a bumpy track at turns 2,7,9....on line yes it is minimized but the surface is far from optimum. Better than Shanny but that isn't saying much.
3) I have never really had tire wear issues at TMP aside from right hand bias. The grip levels at TMP are lower than say Bogie and are much easier on my tires.
4) I am not saying there are traction "problems". I am inquiring at how TMP compares in 15C to 20C temps with regard to traction. I am using TMP as a basis to compare as this thread is about TMP. All things the same, how do regular riders find lap times and grip affected in late September. That's the question, don't over think it.

Does that help with WTF I might be talking about
 
awyala said:
WTF am I talking about? hmmmm

1) The consensus is that TMP is a track that actually does not allow much more that 65 to 70C heat into the tires.....and generally speaking is considered a track that can actually lose or not generate enough heat in slicks or DOT tires (for optimum performance).
2) TMP is a bumpy track at turns 2,7,9....on line yes it is minimized but the surface is far from optimum. Better than Shanny but that isn't saying much.
3) I have never really had tire wear issues at TMP aside from right hand bias. The grip levels at TMP are lower than say Bogie and are much easier on my tires.
4) I am not saying there are traction "problems". I am inquiring at how TMP compares in 15C to 20C temps with regard to traction. I am using TMP as a basis to compare as this thread is about TMP. All things the same, how do regular riders find lap times and grip affected in late September. That's the question, don't over think it.

Does that help with WTF I might be talking about
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OK.....

1) 70C is plenty of heat to go FAST at tmp. Ive seen soar races there where guys were doing 1:13-1:14s.
2) there is no bump at turn 2 if your line is right. 7 is so slow you can fly over the "waves" without issue, and 9? really?
3) Duh. so its not like bogie so it must be "slippery" ? LOL
4) How can anyone answer that question?. Really dumb question.
geeze get your panties all in a bunch bro!
 
awyala said:
2) TMP is a bumpy track at turns 2,7,9....on line yes it is minimized but the surface is far from optimum. Better than Shanny but that isn't saying much.
4) I am not saying there are traction "problems". I am inquiring at how TMP compares in 15C to 20C temps with regard to traction. I am using TMP as a basis to compare as this thread is about TMP. All things the same, how do regular riders find lap times and grip affected in late September. That's the question, don't over think it.
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Is 7 even a turn?! I usually go in almost a straight line through it. Bumps on 9? Never seen them! ?!?!

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I'm interested in the answer of that as well.
 
carboncat said:
OK.....

1) 70C is plenty of heat to go FAST at tmp. Ive seen soar races there where guys were doing 1:13-1:14s.
2) there is no bump at turn 2 if your line is right. 7 is so slow you can fly over the "waves" without issue, and 9? really?
3) Duh. so its not like bogie so it must be "slippery" ? LOL
4) How can anyone answer that question?. Really dumb question.
geeze get your panties all in a bunch bro!
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Ur so helpful, thanks.

1) 70 is plenty yes. 13s and 14s yes. I got all that....that's common info "bro". Are any of those guys in this thread commenting on their track days through out seasonal temp variations? If so I would appreciate your comments.
2) Turn 2 - You are right. This also makes for less line options. 9 is straight yes, but if it were not for that sloppy wonky curb dip braking could be later. The line is compromised rather than optimized due to poor surface. Turn 7 catches a lot of people out - it is considered bumpy by most. Other tracks have better surfaces and more line options as a result, so comparatively speaking TMP DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD SURFACE, frig, is that the only track you have been to?
3) TMP has a crap surface compared to almost every other track I have been to! It is a low quality track even compared to other Canadian tracks, let alone European ones! I for one find it more prone to traction issues than any other track I have been to with the exception of Shanny! Not just Bogie, sheesh!
4) How is that a dumb question?!?!?! I am asking specifically what (if any) are the effects on lap times of a 10 degree temp difference from riders who are experienced enough with TMP over the course of a complete riding season to comment. If you don't know, butt out "bro". If you know and there are no differences then say so.

"bro" seriously, if you're just feeling argumentative sit this one out. If I insulted your precious TMP in any way, you need to detach emotionally for a while.

TMP has many things going for it (run offs, proximity, price, layout) but surface is not one of them.
 
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awyala said:
WTF am I talking about? hmmmm

1) The consensus is that TMP is a track that actually does not allow much more that 65 to 70C heat into the tires.....and generally speaking is considered a track that can actually lose or not generate enough heat in slicks or DOT tires (for optimum performance).
2) TMP is a bumpy track at turns 2,7,9....on line yes it is minimized but the surface is far from optimum. Better than Shanny but that isn't saying much.
3) I have never really had tire wear issues at TMP aside from right hand bias. The grip levels at TMP are lower than say Bogie and are much easier on my tires.
4) I am not saying there are traction "problems". I am inquiring at how TMP compares in 15C to 20C temps with regard to traction. I am using TMP as a basis to compare as this thread is about TMP. All things the same, how do regular riders find lap times and grip affected in late September. That's the question, don't over think it.

Does that help with WTF I might be talking about
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Weren't you just whining about how your tires were chewed up etc and asking for help in diagnosing it? When did you become an expert? Tmp gets hot enough and it's hard on tires at a decent clip. My tire looks worse from one day at tmp then a whole SOAR weekend at Grand Bend. It's bumpy in some places (turn 2 bumps can be avoided by cutting closer to the turtle, and as far as I know there is no bump in 9). Bumps were worse for me cuz my stock stock pooped itself. I also had no issues with grip and I just started using warmers at tmp, so the tires are getting up to performance temp. Now I did notice my q3s were getting very greasy at GB compared to tmp so maybe tmp has slightly cooler properties. But not enough to notice a difference unless you're Rossi (or Tim :p ).
 
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awyala said:
Ur so helpful, thanks.

1) 70 is plenty yes. 13s and 14s yes. I got all that....that's common info "bro". Are any of those guys in this thread commenting on their track days through out seasonal temp variations? If so I would appreciate your comments.
2) Turn 2 - You are right. This also makes for less line options. 9 is straight yes, but if it were not for that sloppy wonky curb dip braking could be later. The line is compromised rather than optimized due to poor surface. Turn 7 catches a lot of people out - it is considered bumpy by most. Other tracks have better surfaces and more line options as a result, so comparatively speaking TMP DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD SURFACE, frig, is that the only track you have been to?
3) TMP has a crap surface compared to almost every other track I have been to! It is a low quality track even compared to other Canadian tracks, let alone European ones! I for one find it more prone to traction issues than any other track I have been to with the exception of Shanny! Not just Bogie, sheesh!
4) How is that a dumb question?!?!?! I am asking specifically what (if any) are the effects on lap times of a 10 degree temp difference from riders who are experienced enough with TMP over the course of a complete riding season to comment. If you don't know, butt out "bro". If you know and there are no differences then say so.

"bro" seriously, if you're just feeling argumentative sit this one out. If I insulted your precious TMP in any way, you need to detach emotionally for a while.
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You clearly don't know TJ then :lmao:
 
Benny! said:
Weren't you just whining about how your tires were chewed up etc and asking for help in diagnosing it? When did you become an expert? Tmp gets hot enough and it's hard on tires at a decent clip. My tire looks worse from one day at tmp then a whole SOAR weekend at Grand Bend. It's bumpy in some places (turn 2 bumps can be avoided by cutting closer to the turtle, and as far as I know there is no bump in 9). Bumps were worse for me cuz my stock stock pooped itself. I also had no issues with grip and I just started using warmers at tmp, so the tires are getting up to performance temp. Now I did notice my q3s were getting very greasy at GB compared to tmp so maybe tmp has slightly cooler properties. But not enough to notice a difference unless you're Rossi (or Tim :p ).
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No, I was not whining about my tires being chewed up. My tires are fine. My tires were less torn than Carbon's and much less than 49over, and that being after an entire summer (3500km) and 3 track days on them. The last of which riding at 1:19 pace. My diagnosis of my own set up is that it is a little soft. My suggestion is that could be the same issue for 40over.

TMP is not comparatively hard on tires compared to other tracks I have been to. I find TMP the easiest on my tires of any track I have been to. That's my experience. However I can't compare to GB.

Turn 2 bump avoidance noted. Turn 9 is what it is...lines are adjusted accordingly...could be better if surface was better.

I am asking if there is a noticeable difference in lap times of TMP regulars with late season track days.....not tire warmed slicks at SOAR events.....just regular track days.
 
awyala said:
Ur so helpful, thanks.

1) 70 is plenty yes. 13s and 14s yes. I got all that....that's common info "bro". Are any of those guys in this thread commenting on their track days through out seasonal temp variations? If so I would appreciate your comments.
2) Turn 2 - You are right. This also makes for less line options. 9 is straight yes, but if it were not for that sloppy wonky curb dip braking could be later. The line is compromised rather than optimized due to poor surface. Turn 7 catches a lot of people out - it is considered bumpy by most. Other tracks have better surfaces and more line options as a result, so comparatively speaking TMP DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD SURFACE, frig, is that the only track you have been to?
3) TMP has a crap surface compared to almost every other track I have been to! It is a low quality track even compared to other Canadian tracks, let alone European ones! I for one find it more prone to traction issues than any other track I have been to with the exception of Shanny! Not just Bogie, sheesh!
4) How is that a dumb question?!?!?! I am asking specifically what (if any) are the effects on lap times of a 10 degree temp difference from riders who are experienced enough with TMP over the course of a complete riding season to comment. If you don't know, butt out "bro". If you know and there are no differences then say so.

"bro" seriously, if you're just feeling argumentative sit this one out. If I insulted your precious TMP in any way, you need to detach emotionally for a while.

TMP has many things going for it (run offs, proximity, price, layout) but surface is not one of them.
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I have rode....jennings, Njmp, Nyst, bogie, shanny, gbm, gratten.... the list goes on.
if tmp is slippery....your going to slow :)
if tmp is bumpy....your going to slow :)
Its a dumb question cause the answer is not possible to answer. ( track conditions, tire temp, blah blah)
WAIT ! you want an answer? YES lap times will be slower when its colder.
 
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carboncat said:
I have rode....jennings, Njmp, Nyst, bogie, shanny, gbm, gratten.... the list goes on. Thanks for the context, that helps.
if tmp is slippery....your going to slow :) and compared to the list above TMP is where on the grip levels scale?
if tmp is bumpy....your going to slow :) and compared to the list above TMP is where on the bump scale?
Its a dumb question cause the answer is not possible to answer. ( track conditions, tire temp, blah blah) there ya go, track conditions, you're slowly coming around to the concept of isolating a variable to determine its effect, i.e. weather...I am asking to compare like for like with the exception of a 10 degree difference, not sand blown onto the track, high winds, monsoon rain, fog, snow, or frogs......you understand the idea of a control variable right?
WAIT ! you want an answer? YES lap times will be slower when its colder. WAY TO GO BILL NYE, THANKS FOR CRACKING THE MYSTERY OF THERMODYNAMICS.......I am asking hoooooooooooooooooooooow much slower!!!!!!! HOLY FAK WE ALL KNOW THEY WILL BE SLOWER
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bro, if you don't know, and all you know is that lower temps means slower lap times, just sit this one out. If you think TMP has no surface issues, that's cool. That wasn't even the question. The temp issues in relations to lap times may be exacerbated at a track like TMP, hence one may find lap times dip more than at another track that allows more heat to be kept in the tires due to surface friction despite a drop in ambient air temps. None the less that is a side issue. I specifically want to know how lap times compare, ie.e something quantative, not simply in all your infitite wisdom "slower".

And as you said "bro", if you go too slow at TMP (by the way, what is this slow lap time that seems to affect grip at TMP you mentioned) you will start to find it "slippery"...your words bro. So as lap times drop due to temps, at what lap times will you then start to notice it become "slippery" bro.

Lap times, numbers, quantitative information bro. If you can't answer sit this one out.
 
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I think everyone is over-analyzing. Just go ****ing ride and find out for yourself.
 
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