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The Sikhs are at it again: fighting helmet laws.
- Thread starter Motorcycle Mike
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sinbin
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Ok, so now we're being willfully obtuse. Bad tactic.
My response in context of racism was to refute your accusation, ie, I am like the people who see this as a racist incident. Not to accuse you of anything. Clear? So we didn't move past anything in your last post. We would have had you said something to the effect that you retract your accusation.
Now for the religious part and respect. The Legion invited them and they paraded as per the invitation. You realise they could not possibly have removed head-dress during the ceremonies? Had you grasped that fact, you would have been paying attention to detail.
Perhaps some measure of the respect accorded to those Veterans who gave their lives should be extended to the ones still amongst us. The Legion Hall's treatment of the Vet made it a media frenzy, not this individual's actions. Why invite him when you know he wears a turban?
And as for the humiliation not being intentional - nobody implied it, but the fact is he was humiliated - albeit unintentionally. It's obvious this guy can't take his head dress off. It's an odd situation, it's embarassing, and your oversight caused it...what;'s the answer? To tell him to piss off? You remove your Turban Colonel, else you imply disrespect for those fallen you served beside?
Re: Establishing my Service - I will pretend you didn't type that. ok? I don't need you to establish **** all.
No. Bad assumption on your part.
Feisty little ****er when you're ****** off, aren't you? Clearly, you are incapable of rationally debating this issue any further so I'll leave you be.
Arte Et Marte.
And now, back to the topic - should Sikhs be allowed to wear turbans instead of helmets while on motorycles?
sinbin
Well-known member
Should have known. REMF.
As for rational debate, your fallacious arguments are no excuse to high tail it out. Don;t compare the Legion Law change to helmets.
As for the original Topic: No Sikhs should not be permitted to ride Sans helmets and only in turbans,.
Well, at least you recognise class when you see it. And it was LORE, LEME, then EME in my time frame, not REME. "REME" was British, RCEME was Canadian. Assuming, of course, the "F" was a typo on your part.
The US Army has recently relaxed uniform and grooming regs to permit Sikhs to keep their turbans and facial hair. http://www.army.mil/article/36339/sikh-soldiers-allowed-to-serve-retain-their-articles-of-faith/
The British Army also permits turbans and beards, and the British Army and police forces are looking into turbans using ballistic material of sufficient bullet-proof capability that observant soldiers and officers have a an alternative to the standard issue protective headgear.
sinbin
Well-known member
Really. Surely the Legion should have been able to differentiate between headwear worn for fashion or vanity versus headwear worn as a matter of religious observance. Would they have also refused admission to a Jewish veteran wearing a kippa? Would they have had any issue with a bald guy wearing a toupée?
Nope, strictly Combat Arms First Line Support throughout my career, save for a stint in 1 SVC BN and the inevitable CFSEME death sentence.
Chimo?! You mean I've been trying to debate with a Thumperhead? No wonder you weren't using words of more than two syllables.
sinbin
Well-known member
Lol! Well, well! I retract the assertionNope, strictly Combat Arms First Line Support throughout my career, save for a stint in 1 SVC BN and the inevitable CFSEME death sentence.
Chimo?! You mean I've been trying to debate with a Thumperhead? No wonder you weren't using words of more than two syllables.
I'm still miffed we almost exclusively got Ham Steak in Pineapple Sauce for Breakfast
Damn Circus BN!At a personal level, i really dont care if someone is stupid enough to not ride with a helmet, its there life and there head.
I dont even really care about the healthcare dollars spent, i mean these folks are Canadians after all and we spend a lot of money on healthcare for other accidents etc...
The point that really bothers me is how a very small minority is pushing for things based on religous reasons.
Everyone follows the same laws PERIOD. Religon should not come into the picture at all.
IMO the danger is in every religon trying to change or ammend laws and practices to suit their own needs.
In this case, if its against their religon, then they should simply not ride motorcycles, same with the example posted in this thread about the guy not taking off his necklace, sorry, no MRI for you then.
This is the same garbage that we as a society just got rid of not that long ago with Sunday shopping being forbidden.
It was the same story with arranged marriages and CBSA. Peoples whose cultural-religon allowed arranged marriges pretty much got a free pass while others who married folks had to prove their relationship with pictures and documentation. BS same law for everyone.
The law starts to go down a very slippery slope here... follow me on this
How is a police officer going to verify religon on the side of the road?
Is the officer even allowed to ask for proof or would that be discrimination?
What will validate proof? is there some sort of card they get? an ID?
How will the police enforce this law? when they cannot prove you are violating it.
Thats were it starts to get really interesting.
I dont even really care about the healthcare dollars spent, i mean these folks are Canadians after all and we spend a lot of money on healthcare for other accidents etc...
The point that really bothers me is how a very small minority is pushing for things based on religous reasons.
Everyone follows the same laws PERIOD. Religon should not come into the picture at all.
IMO the danger is in every religon trying to change or ammend laws and practices to suit their own needs.
In this case, if its against their religon, then they should simply not ride motorcycles, same with the example posted in this thread about the guy not taking off his necklace, sorry, no MRI for you then.
This is the same garbage that we as a society just got rid of not that long ago with Sunday shopping being forbidden.
It was the same story with arranged marriages and CBSA. Peoples whose cultural-religon allowed arranged marriges pretty much got a free pass while others who married folks had to prove their relationship with pictures and documentation. BS same law for everyone.
The law starts to go down a very slippery slope here... follow me on this
How is a police officer going to verify religon on the side of the road?
Is the officer even allowed to ask for proof or would that be discrimination?
What will validate proof? is there some sort of card they get? an ID?
How will the police enforce this law? when they cannot prove you are violating it.
Thats were it starts to get really interesting.
I'm still miffed we almost exclusively got Ham Steak in Pineapple Sauce for Breakfast
Well, it was better than the frickin' Corned Beef Hash ration packs I always seemed to end up with. At least the cheese whiz tube and the grape juice drink mix in those were useful, though... before going out on patrol we'd eat the cheese whiz, it would bung you up for at least a couple days. When we'd get back to the camp, we'd drink the grape juice and **** our brains out. Leave the two of them alone and you were pretty regular, though.
Anyway. Apologies for the thread hijack, OP.
oilycreek
Banned
I don't think it matters what the outcome is here. The insurance companies will make a helmet a requirement for insurance, or make it too expensive for anyone to afford. If some how this guy wins,and gets insurance, then crashes and is critically hurt, he'll sue the government for having a no helmet law, saying they new it was too dangerous.
N3WMAN
Well-known member
The speed limit is a rule of the road, if you get caught breaking it, you get penalized. The same should apply in this case.
I thought driving/riding was a privilege, not a right???
How about we do away with seat belts, or car seats. It's a pain getting into my car with a kilt on, I want to take the seat out and not wear a belt. Sorry, but this is stupid and all you people that have no problem with this scare me. A helmet is the motorcycle equivalent of a seat belt.
btw, there's a sikh kid on my son's baseball team and he still has to wear a batting helmet, but they do make a custom cap with a hole in it for his little bump up front.
How about sikh's do away with the whole turban thing anyway, haven't they realized there's no magic man in the sky yet....
How about we do away with seat belts, or car seats. It's a pain getting into my car with a kilt on, I want to take the seat out and not wear a belt. Sorry, but this is stupid and all you people that have no problem with this scare me. A helmet is the motorcycle equivalent of a seat belt.
btw, there's a sikh kid on my son's baseball team and he still has to wear a batting helmet, but they do make a custom cap with a hole in it for his little bump up front.
How about sikh's do away with the whole turban thing anyway, haven't they realized there's no magic man in the sky yet....
I hope i remember this properly.
There are no rules governing the size or shape of turban and there are no rules stating that nothing can be worn over top of a turban. There is nothing stopping these folks from wearing a tighter, smaller turban and then wearing a normal helmet over top of it. This is how any Sikh fighter pilot wears a helmet, or any Sikh athlete wears a helmet.
These few idiots are complaining for the sake of complaining.
There are no rules governing the size or shape of turban and there are no rules stating that nothing can be worn over top of a turban. There is nothing stopping these folks from wearing a tighter, smaller turban and then wearing a normal helmet over top of it. This is how any Sikh fighter pilot wears a helmet, or any Sikh athlete wears a helmet.
These few idiots are complaining for the sake of complaining.
Any Sikh that wants to ride a motorcycle in this country must wear a helmet. There is no way a turban is going to be as protective as a device that has been engineered from the ground up over decades to protect your head. If they can figure it out so that they can crack their skull open and my tax dollars arent spent on their medical bills...then fine go right ahead. The majority of Sikhs have and will adapt by wearing a patka
This dude plays cricket for England's national team and has adapted.
with a batting helmet on.
Harbijan Sing plays on the Indian national team and has also adapted to the safety of the sport by wearing a helmet.
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No one told him he should feel discriminated against at the time...
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