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eljay said:
Sorry I didn't know politician was a valid career choice. Do they want to "serve" or not?
If they're so damn passionate about it they can do it for free.
Oh, I forgot to mention my counterweight to corruption: execution by referendum for elected officials only. If a simple majority doesn't like them anymore they get the death penalty post haste. That should make them step carefully.
I know... it's looney tunes. But frankly there's insufficient fear factor built in to the position and there need to be. Politicians should be terrified of the people they imagine that they rule. It makes the world a better place.
I'll just vote for someone who has never had the job before and continue ad nausea. Doin' my bit. I'll never re-elect anyone ever. I'm not part of "we".
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Listen to this man, he knows his **** real good!

The rest of You are talking "ideally".

Do you know why none of us are politicians? Because none of us can do it.

You have to be grease ball and have a certain personality.

(Car salesman x hair stylist x postman)+masseuse/shoe polisher= politician

Had a politician show up at a religious gathering every year because he "loved the community". Showed up 2 years. Did not get elected. Never showed up again.

80% of being a politician is lying and believing your own lies. Most people could not do the job and live with them selves.




"If i was educated, I'd be a damn fool"
 
So wonderful to hear that it appears Mulchair and Turdo both are looking to claw back the TFSA limits.

So we have the provincial libtards putting in a provincial pension plan because ontarians aren't saving enough for retirement and then the fed libtards and of course the dippers, want to reduce the TFSA limits which is supposed to help Canadians save for retirement.

Sounds about right........
 
An aside: The moment that I hear or read someone use an expression like "libtard", I usually throw their opinion straight in the circular file.
 
I'm passionate about getting as big a paycheque as possible. It puts me in direct opposition to the elected jerk putting his hand in my pocket every payday.

Rob MacLennan said:
What do you do for a living? Are you passionate about it? Why, then, do you accept pay for it? You should clearly do it for free!
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eljay said:
But they are Liberal(tm) and retarded, it's very catchy.
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It's a stupid name invented by the American Tea Party movement and Fox News. It dumbs down the debate to the point of anti-intellectualism and reflects quite poorly on those who use it.

eljay said:
I'm passionate about getting as big a paycheque as possible. It puts me in direct opposition to the elected jerk putting his hand in my pocket every payday.
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Taxes are a necessary evil. Politicians do a necessary job. Be as passionate as you like about unwarranted and excessive taxation, but to state that people should work for the sheer joy of it is naive, at the least, and offensive, at the worst, unless you are fully willing to do it yourself.
 
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It's easy to be a critic and point out what everyone is doing wrong.

It's even easy to vote.

It's not easy to govern and execute initiatives well.

It's not just government. Business has this challenge as well.

Just wish is wasn't so easy to waste taxes with no accountability.








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nakkers said:
It's easy to be a critic and point out what everyone is doing wrong.

It's even easy to vote.

It's not easy to govern and execute initiatives well.

It's not just government. Business has this challenge as well.

Just wish is wasn't so easy to waste taxes with no accountability.
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I said it many times: WE are the accountability. We've failed.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I said it many times: WE are the accountability. We've failed.
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I know Rob.

Only thing is, I wish we could form a real independent party that would appeal to the masses and bring about meaningful governance.

Politicians have broke things down to sound bites because no one is willing to listen.

They pander to our laziness.

But in the same token, the big political machines have made it impossible for any of them to be run out of town. They all have a strong enough base that will never put them out of an election.

What ever your political stripe, they end up doing their own agenda.

For every accusation made, the same could be said to every other party.

Corruption, hidden agenda, lies, waste funds,





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Rob MacLennan said:
An aside: The moment that I hear or read someone use an expression like "libtard", I usually throw their opinion straight in the circular file.
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Wouldn't the high road be ignoring the rhetoric you don't like and responding to the substance of the comment? ;)

So, how do you feel about the Honourable Mr. Mulchair and the Honourable Mr. Trudeau wanting to claw back the TFSA which would make it more difficult for hard working Canadians to save for their retirement?

Considering the Honourable Ms Wynne has commented that she will actively campaign for Mr. Trudeau it would seem to conflict with this platform issue since her Liberal Party of Ontario have rammed through the ORPP because Ontarians aren't saving enough for retirement no?

Do you understand that this is no different than raising taxes on said hard working Canadians?

I wonder what other actual tax hikes we'll get in addition to the veiled tax hikes of TFSA (and who knows what else) reductions we can expect from the Honourable Mulchair and Trudeau?
 
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I don't understand why politicians are addressed as honourable. The lies that they spew & the leadership they display is nothing but honourable
 
Snobike Mike said:
Wouldn't the high road be ignoring the rhetoric you don't like and responding to the substance of the comment? ;)

So, how do you feel about the Honourable Mr. Mulchair and the Honourable Mr. Trudeau wanting to claw back the TFSA which would make it more difficult for hard working Canadians to save for their retirement?

Considering the Honourable Ms Wynne has commented that she will actively campaign for Mr. Trudeau it would seem to conflict with this platform issue since her Liberal Party of Ontario have rammed through the ORPP because Ontarians aren't saving enough for retirement no?

Do you understand that this is no different than raising taxes on said hard working Canadians?

I wonder what other actual tax hikes we'll get in addition to the veiled tax hikes of TFSA (and who knows what else) reductions we can expect from the Honourable Mulchair and Trudeau?
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Do you understand that the current government has already proven itself to be untrustworthy and, therefore, mist be removed?
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Do you understand that the current government has already proven itself to be untrustworthy and, therefore, mist be removed?
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Ah yes, your hate for the conservatives is yet again duly noted. And yet you've dodged my question/issue again.

Since you won't respond to the issue I've raised, pray tell me how you expect Mulchair or Trudeau to be any different (because they aren't and they won't be) considering one is a blithering idiot and the other is NDP?
 
eljay said:
I'm passionate about getting as big a paycheque as possible. It puts me in direct opposition to the elected jerk putting his hand in my pocket every payday.
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News flash: Governments aren't looking out for you. They're looking our for the greater good of the jurisdiction they're elected in and the only benefit you can ever expect to get out of government is to the extent that they improve the area you live in.

Any expectation of directly benefiting from government is naive at best, and conceited at worst.
 
Snobike Mike said:
Wouldn't the high road be ignoring the rhetoric you don't like and responding to the substance of the comment? ;)

So, how do you feel about the Honourable Mr. Mulchair and the Honourable Mr. Trudeau wanting to claw back the TFSA which would make it more difficult for hard working Canadians to save for their retirement?

Considering the Honourable Ms Wynne has commented that she will actively campaign for Mr. Trudeau it would seem to conflict with this platform issue since her Liberal Party of Ontario have rammed through the ORPP because Ontarians aren't saving enough for retirement no?

Do you understand that this is no different than raising taxes on said hard working Canadians?

I wonder what other actual tax hikes we'll get in addition to the veiled tax hikes of TFSA (and who knows what else) reductions we can expect from the Honourable Mulchair and Trudeau?
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"Hard working peoples" is a Neo Con catchphrase. If you remove the spin it's more accurate to say that TFSAs benefit wealthy Canadians, whether they work hard or not.

Society by default already concentrates wealth amongst the wealthy and we don't need government to assist that process. We need government to represent the rest of society who would otherwise be relegated to being unwitting hosts to the few wealth-sucking parasites who hold economic power. History has lived through feudal societies already and we've evolved from that.

That's not to dismiss the contribution of wealthy people to the greater good, but left unchecked it leads to extreme social disparities that can not be justified as any person's net value over another's. There needs to be rich and poor for society to be healthy, but there shouldn't be obscenely rich and tortuously poor, certainly not within a group of people who call themselves a 'society'.
 
Snobike Mike said:
Ah yes, your hate for the conservatives is yet again duly noted. And yet you've dodged my question/issue again.

Since you won't respond to the issue I've raised, pray tell me how you expect Mulchair or Trudeau to be any different (because they aren't and they won't be) considering one is a blithering idiot and the other is NDP?
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I believe that he refuses to vote, or spoils it, which amounts to the same thing.
 
fastar1 said:
"Hard working peoples" is a Neo Con catchphrase. If you remove the spin it's more accurate to say that TFSAs benefit wealthy Canadians, whether they work hard or not.

Society by default already concentrates wealth amongst the wealthy and we don't need government to assist that process. We need government to represent the rest of society who would otherwise be relegated to being unwitting hosts to the few wealth-sucking parasites who hold economic power. History has lived through feudal societies already and we've evolved from that.

That's not to dismiss the contribution of wealthy people to the greater good, but left unchecked it leads to extreme social disparities that can not be justified as any person's net value over another's. There needs to be rich and poor for society to be healthy, but there shouldn't be obscenely rich and tortuously poor, certainly not within a group of people who call themselves a 'society'.
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The last Trudeau proposal seemed to be worse for the poor while saying it would be better.
Mulcair seems to be playing his hand close to his chest now, and hoping his opponents lose.
 
Snobike Mike said:
Ah yes, your hate for the conservatives is yet again duly noted. And yet you've dodged my question/issue again.

Since you won't respond to the issue I've raised, pray tell me how you expect Mulchair or Trudeau to be any different (because they aren't and they won't be) considering one is a blithering idiot and the other is NDP?
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I expect them to not be the government that has already broken every promise that it made, uses fear to win elections, and treats us all like idiots. In this election we have a choice between parties that might do wrong and a party that has proven that it has, and will continue to do wrong. I'll take a shot with one of the parties that hasn't screwed the pooch yet.

In this election there is no difference between voting for the Conservatives and having voted for the Liberals in the last Provincial election. Neither is something that I would do.
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