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The CMA and the FIM

For 2021? no idea. Enthusiast members, Competition members (huge difference), no idea, I don't care, they are not there to entertain me with a great web site.
Just filled out my membership application and it will be in the mail asap. So there is 1
You don't care how many members there are in the national organization that is supposed to represent all motorcyclists, in all disciplines, all across Canada ?
I looked hard, I can't find any numbers anywhere, so until proven otherwise I can only assume its a pitifully small minority.
Is that really what you want ?
 
Do you have a venue?
Starting the club is easy as phoning CMA and politely describe your intent to race whatever and they will see that a Club membership package is mailed to you.
Then as a sanctioned league you get to participate in National FIM sanctioned events across Canada. International event participation comes from Canadian Champions.

Yes far too much people telling me what truths and facts I can't sa
 
Do you have a venue?
Starting the club is easy as phoning CMA and politely describe your intent to race whatever and they will see that a Club membership package is mailed to you.
Then as a sanctioned league you get to participate in National FIM sanctioned events across Canada. International event participation comes from Canadian Champions.

Yes far too much people telling me what truths and facts I can't say

You think Colin Fraser (CSBK) doesn't know that?
 
I remember back in 1980 or 81 the club I was in held a yearly national ice race at either Bewdley or Port Perry. It was CMA sanctioned (of course) and was well attended by both competitors and spectators.

We had local media (remember them) covering it, both newspaper and radio. I believe there was a live remote for the local radio, and it was advertised in the local papers and maybe the Toronto Star.

We also charged spectators for entry.

There was a full slate of classes, from schoolboy up to 500cc/open Expert and it ran for 2 days, with lots of competitors from Quebec. As I recall Michel Mercier was there and was one of the fast guys, but not the fastest yet.

I believe there was support from the CMA for the advertising and other costs and I KNOW there was support from them with results, scoring, marshalling, tech inspection etc.

It was the same with Motocross, hare scramble/cross country and even enduros to a lesser extent. We'd get competitors from other provinces and the US.

Compare that to what passes for a national event today that is sanctioned by the CMA. They're club events by any other name, and there's NOTHING wrong with club events. Just don't pretend they're anything resembling a true national-level event.

It seems to me the first discipline the CMA lost was road racing and the others fell like dominoes.

I'm surprised that trials remains and has not come under the umbrella of off-road Ontario.
 
I remember back in 1980 or 81 the club I was in held a yearly national ice race at either Bewdley or Port Perry. It was CMA sanctioned (of course) and was well attended by both competitors and spectators.

We had local media (remember them) covering it, both newspaper and radio. I believe there was a live remote for the local radio, and it was advertised in the local papers and maybe the Toronto Star.

We also charged spectators for entry.

There was a full slate of classes, from schoolboy up to 500cc/open Expert and it ran for 2 days, with lots of competitors from Quebec. As I recall Michel Mercier was there and was one of the fast guys, but not the fastest yet.

I believe there was support from the CMA for the advertising and other costs and I KNOW there was support from them with results, scoring, marshalling, tech inspection etc.

It was the same with Motocross, hare scramble/cross country and even enduros to a lesser extent. We'd get competitors from other provinces and the US.

Compare that to what passes for a national event today that is sanctioned by the CMA. They're club events by any other name, and there's NOTHING wrong with club events. Just don't pretend they're anything resembling a true national-level event.

It seems to me the first discipline the CMA lost was road racing and the others fell like dominoes.

I'm surprised that trials remains and has not come under the umbrella of off-road Ontario.
Little known fact. On Any Sunday ice racing segment was from Montreal. The one and only Jim Kelly (the SCR flying midget) is in that spot.
 
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I believe there was support from the CMA for the advertising and other costs and I KNOW there was support from them with results, scoring, marshalling, tech inspection etc.
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Support for a lot of enthusiasts, volunteers and champions to do their thing. That is what it takes to make a successful motorcycle competition, enthusiasts, volunteers, competitors and champions. The support from CMA you refer to that made for successful events would not be in the form of financial backing or manpower. Scoring and marshalling by CMA paid staff at events, not a chance. I believe you witnessed organized volunteer work in progress.
 
I'm surprised that trials remains and has not come under the umbrella of off-road Ontario.
Off-road Ontario is apparently a regional enduro club and I am surprised it is not a CMA sanctioned group.
 
Why are you commenting on my responses to posts, after taking my words completely out of context :unsure:
Does anyone have something relevant to add to the topic 'The CMA and the FIM' or is this thread all about something else?
 
Support for a lot of enthusiasts, volunteers and champions to do their thing. That is what it takes to make a successful motorcycle competition, enthusiasts, volunteers, competitors and champions. The support from CMA you refer to that made for successful events would not be in the form of financial backing or manpower. Scoring and marshalling by CMA paid staff at events, not a chance. I believe you witnessed organized volunteer work in progress.
WRONG. I was there working the event.
 
Why are you commenting on my responses to posts, after taking my words completely out of context :unsure:
Does anyone have something relevant to add to the topic 'The CMA and the FIM' or is this thread all about something else?
Lots of people have. You simply refuse to entertain the idea that the CMA is anything but the only answer to motorcycle competition organization in Canada.

The reality is that it's an impediment to all but a small (and shrinking) cadre of individuals who compete in a very limited selection of disciplines in remote regions/groups.
 
Why are you commenting on my responses to posts, after taking my words completely out of context :unsure:
Does anyone have something relevant to add to the topic 'The CMA and the FIM' or is this thread all about something else?
Nothing's been taken out of context, unless you've presented them in an indecipherable manner.
You consistently refuse to provide yes or no answers to any of the questions I've asked - that leaves you open to interpretation.
The likelihood of changing your opinion on this is slim to none, so let's agree to disagree shall we ?
I'll ask you one final question - if another FIM affiliated organization could provide you with the same services and benefits you believe you're receiving now AND do more for all facets of motorcycling in this country would you support it ?
 
Copied from Off Road Ontario.Very much in context to this thread.

The inaugural season for Off-Road Ontario (OO) was 2010. The seeds for the creation of OO were sewn throughout the early years of this millennium, but finally germinated in the fall of 2009. To ‘get’ where OO came from, it is helpful to know what existed before.

For decades, all things motorcycling in Canada fell under the Canadian Motorcycle Association (CMA), which was the national sanctioning body for most any form of motorcycle racing. For purposes of administration, the country was, and still is, divided up into regions – some just one province, like Ontario or Quebec Region and others like the Atlantic Region, consisting of all Maritime Provinces.

The National office and the Ontario Region were operated out of Hamilton. The CMA BOD consisted of elected volunteer directors from each region, and one of those directors was chosen by the Board to be the President. There was a paid National General Manager and a very small staff. Within the regions, there were volunteer committees to direct the motorcycling agendas of those regions. Competition in Ontario was overseen by the Ontario Region Competition Committee. On that committee, there were elected or acclaimed representatives from the various racing disciplines such as dirt track, trials, motocross, road racing and off-road.

Commencing in the late 1970s, promoting clubs and riders alike began to sense a degree of dysfunction in the way regional and national racing was governed. Those with expertise in specific genres of racing felt restricted by the generalist nature of CMA leadership and its racing model. One by one, not in conjunction with each other, and sometimes years apart, motocross, then road racing, trials and some dirt track organizations formed their independent organizations.

The Ontario off-road clubs were reluctant to abandon the CMA, which has a proud and respected history, which includes years of ISDE and formerly ISDT participation. These clubs, who had traditionally hosted CMA hare scrambles and enduros had witnessed reduced enthusiasm for, and participation in, both types of off-road competition. At year-end review meetings of the CMA promoting clubs in both 2008 and 2009, the feeling was expressed that change was required to inject some life into our Ontario series. Some tweaks could be made by the individual clubs hosting events, but most clubs felt there needed to be some administrative changes in the CMA/club relationship to help promote our racing. When almost divine intervention was required to get the CMA to accept the term “Cross Country Race” instead of “Hare Scramble”, we knew that we didn’t have much chance of getting CMA buy-in for some of our other suggestions.

The big difference between the fall of 2009 and previous years was that one club, the Oshawa Competition Motorcycle Club (OCMC), showed up at the fall CMA review, with an alternate plan, should the CMA again reject our suggestions. When CMA leadership advised us that our requests, with the exception of the hare scramble name change, could not be accepted, Off-Road Ontario was formed. Without the forethought and groundwork of Bill Watson, supported by his club, OCMC, OO likely could not have taken flight for the 2010 season.

Below, copied from the FAQ section of this website, is the mandate, or mission statement, or raison d’etre of OO. It has existed from the beginning, with minimal change.

Off-Road Ontario is a not-for-profit cooperative of local clubs and race organizers throughout the province working together to bring you top caliber off road racing.
 
My post was to illustrate that at one time the CMA was an active and able contributor to the competition scene in Canada.

As the people and organizing clubs soured on the CMA for lots of very valid reasons entire disciplines fell away while the group intensified their grip on control of the organization.

That anyone can refuse to see or acknowledge that the situation is bad for the sport and competition community as a whole and one that makes it appear smaller that it is, AND that the fault lies with the CMA management is beyond belief.
 
The more I listen to those PodCasts and read some of the information presented in this thread the more I think of of this... LOL

CMA writes out some excellent TPS reports I'll have you know
 
I'll support and participate in any motorcycle competition sport I can, it will be a FIM sanctioned events if it is mine.
On the subject of CMA, at present I shall continue to participate and support the ATA, whatever ATA says (y) that's good with me.
If I build events other then Trials events they will be FIM sanctioned or I won't be happening.
.... all of this results in my ability to hosts events without making money. I do not want to make money hosting motorcycle events.

:) going riding now
 
Copied from Off Road Ontario.Very much in context to this thread.

The inaugural season for Off-Road Ontario (OO) was 2010. The seeds for the creation of OO were sewn throughout the early years of this millennium, but finally germinated in the fall of 2009. To ‘get’ where OO came from, it is helpful to know what existed before.

For decades, all things motorcycling in Canada fell under the Canadian Motorcycle Association (CMA), which was the national sanctioning body for most any form of motorcycle racing. For purposes of administration, the country was, and still is, divided up into regions – some just one province, like Ontario or Quebec Region and others like the Atlantic Region, consisting of all Maritime Provinces.

The National office and the Ontario Region were operated out of Hamilton. The CMA BOD consisted of elected volunteer directors from each region, and one of those directors was chosen by the Board to be the President. There was a paid National General Manager and a very small staff. Within the regions, there were volunteer committees to direct the motorcycling agendas of those regions. Competition in Ontario was overseen by the Ontario Region Competition Committee. On that committee, there were elected or acclaimed representatives from the various racing disciplines such as dirt track, trials, motocross, road racing and off-road.

Commencing in the late 1970s, promoting clubs and riders alike began to sense a degree of dysfunction in the way regional and national racing was governed. Those with expertise in specific genres of racing felt restricted by the generalist nature of CMA leadership and its racing model. One by one, not in conjunction with each other, and sometimes years apart, motocross, then road racing, trials and some dirt track organizations formed their independent organizations.

The Ontario off-road clubs were reluctant to abandon the CMA, which has a proud and respected history, which includes years of ISDE and formerly ISDT participation. These clubs, who had traditionally hosted CMA hare scrambles and enduros had witnessed reduced enthusiasm for, and participation in, both types of off-road competition. At year-end review meetings of the CMA promoting clubs in both 2008 and 2009, the feeling was expressed that change was required to inject some life into our Ontario series. Some tweaks could be made by the individual clubs hosting events, but most clubs felt there needed to be some administrative changes in the CMA/club relationship to help promote our racing. When almost divine intervention was required to get the CMA to accept the term “Cross Country Race” instead of “Hare Scramble”, we knew that we didn’t have much chance of getting CMA buy-in for some of our other suggestions.

The big difference between the fall of 2009 and previous years was that one club, the Oshawa Competition Motorcycle Club (OCMC), showed up at the fall CMA review, with an alternate plan, should the CMA again reject our suggestions. When CMA leadership advised us that our requests, with the exception of the hare scramble name change, could not be accepted, Off-Road Ontario was formed. Without the forethought and groundwork of Bill Watson, supported by his club, OCMC, OO likely could not have taken flight for the 2010 season.

Below, copied from the FAQ section of this website, is the mandate, or mission statement, or raison d’etre of OO. It has existed from the beginning, with minimal change.

Off-Road Ontario is a not-for-profit cooperative of local clubs and race organizers throughout the province working together to bring you top caliber off road racing.
Theres a reason I switched to racing with OO in 2010.

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