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The Bad Riders of Ontario Thread

I sense an approach to riding that might have an unhappy ending. Simply trusting your instincts and skills is not enough in Ontario, particularly the GTA.

Ontario has a vey low bar for licensing drivers, and one of the most diverse set of roads, traffic and weather in the world. As a motorcyclist your safety depends on you thinking for car drivers.

Look at high flow cities like LA or São Paulo where lane splitting is normal - it’s common to se downed riders. Lane splitting here is simply dangerous.

its much harder to get your driving license in Ontario than it is in most US states - both the tests and the graduated system. California's full license test was easier than the Ontario G2 test (not the exit - the initial one).

People are annoyingly polite here and clump up but they're not really bad drivers - this place has the best roads (from a safety perspective) in NA and some of the safest drivers.
 
No, I'm just really ******* confident because I compare where I am to the average while getting my ego destroyed by people who are actually faster and my real targets.

Also, I've been in interviews where I answered some questions wrong and was immediately told "we're skipping the rest of the questions because if you got this one wrong, you can't answer the rest." If you can't differentiate between video games, simulation software, can't understand how simulation software + hardware with amazing force feedback can translate a lot into real life, and decide to laugh at me after I found, from actual experience, how the two interact with one another....yeah, that's on whoever for provoking me and being ******* stupid.

Sims are good because you can practice what you do with your eyes - the most important thing for both cars and bikes, and the reason the F1 guys use them is because it keeps those basic fundamentals practiced and sharp - but it doesn't really translate to real driving or riding that well.

If you're already world class, yes, it's great, but you're not going to go from iRacing to track driving and have a ton of immediate success. If you want to accelerate your driving budget series like lemons, champ car, lucky dog, etc. are the best way.

I think I learned more in my couple of 2 hour stints in ****** lemons cars than I did doing years of track days in my expensive car.
 
its much harder to get your driving license in Ontario than it is in most US states - both the tests and the graduated system. California's full license test was easier than the Ontario G2 test (not the exit - the initial one).

People are annoyingly polite here and clump up but they're not really bad drivers - this place has the best roads (from a safety perspective) in NA and some of the safest drivers.
Have you driven in ontario? I drove to london yesterday and saw close to 50 no blinker lane changes, fender bender in the fast lane where everybody got out and stood around their cars stopped in a live lane (small bumper dents), tons of double lane changes, people driving in terminating lanes until the solid line pushes them into vehicles beside them (zero situation awareness), cars driving up shoulder and across bullnoses ar speed to bypass slow traffic etc. Crap.
 
No, I'm just really ******* confident because I compare where I am to the average while getting my ego destroyed by people who are actually faster and my real targets.

Also, I've been in interviews where I answered some questions wrong and was immediately told "we're skipping the rest of the questions because if you got this one wrong, you can't answer the rest." If you can't differentiate between video games, simulation software, can't understand how simulation software + hardware with amazing force feedback can translate a lot into real life, and decide to laugh at me after I found, from actual experience, how the two interact with one another....yeah, that's on whoever for provoking me and being ******* stupid.
I’m spent zillion hours in flight simulator flying Airbus A320. Will you trust me your life, lol?
 
Sims are good because you can practice what you do with your eyes - the most important thing for both cars and bikes, and the reason the F1 guys use them is because it keeps those basic fundamentals practiced and sharp - but it doesn't really translate to real driving or riding that well.

If you're already world class, yes, it's great, but you're not going to go from iRacing to track driving and have a ton of immediate success. If you want to accelerate your driving budget series like lemons, champ car, lucky dog, etc. are the best way.

I think I learned more in my couple of 2 hour stints in ****** lemons cars than I did doing years of track days in my expensive car.
Not disagreeing with this. I've done both. Wish I did more track time but money lol

Focus, passing habits, lines, awareness and general reaction transfer very well. The issue I have was the counter argument involved dodging potholes and ****....how ******* low of a bar are we aiming at? That's like an idiot trying to WOT on a wet track day using a race line that goes over a puddle.

I’m spent zillion hours in flight simulator flying Airbus A320. Will you trust me your life, lol?
Have you flown a real plane? Then yes. If not, no. You need both.
 
I’m spent zillion hours in flight simulator flying Airbus A320. Will you trust me your life, lol?

That's a bad example. X-Plane is FAA approved for flight hours. And Boeing and Airbus extensively train commercial pilots though software simulators.

You could have never flown a real plane before and be the co-pilot of a commercial aircraft filled with passengers.
 
There is zero excuse for rushing forward without visibility (which I see often as they try to squeeze between vans and trucks blocking view to pedestrians) and going over the white line into the area pedestrians are actively crossing.

Perhaps it does need to be added to the HTA as some suggest. But as a 172 violation.
What's your view on cyclists filtering? Seems it's pretty standard for them.
 
Sims are good because you can practice what you do with your eyes - the most important thing for both cars and bikes, and the reason the F1 guys use them is because it keeps those basic fundamentals practiced and sharp

No. They use them to test car set-ups due to the regulations limiting actual in car testing. Those guys already know how to drive. The only time they would ever be used for (what you call) practice would be sticking a rookie driver in it to learn an upcoming track that he's never driven on.
 
That's a bad example. X-Plane is FAA approved for flight hours. And Boeing and Airbus extensively train commercial pilots though software simulators.

You could have never flown a real plane before and be the co-pilot of a commercial aircraft filled with passengers.
Why is it bad? I use X-plane with FlightFactor and Toliss Airbuses. Should I send my resume to Air Canada? Will you trust me to land your plane?
 
Have you driven in ontario? I drove to london yesterday and saw close to 50 no blinker lane changes, fender bender in the fast lane where everybody got out and stood around their cars stopped in a live lane (small bumper dents), tons of double lane changes, people driving in terminating lanes until the solid line pushes them into vehicles beside them (zero situation awareness), cars driving up shoulder and across bullnoses ar speed to bypass slow traffic etc. Crap.

we've built up a society where having a car is a right, even though we pretend it isn't - for most jobs you need a reliable car, for most cities and any rural setting - you need a car.

people hate on e-bikes - but it's one of the few transportation options people have if they've lost the "privilege" of driving.

anyway - my point is - people suck at driving everywhere that driving is required to live - the tests are setup so all can pass them, and we willingly accept thousands or (in the US) hundreds of thousands of casualties per year from it.

the only places you'll go in my experience that have "better" (safer) drivers than ontario are places where driving is expensive and not required for day to day life. Germany, Japan, etc...most people don't own cars there - the ones that do are much more invested in driving and had to pass much more difficult tests.
 
What's your view on cyclists filtering? Seems it's pretty standard for them.

Almost the same. I personally never filter when I'm being a cyclist. There is little to no point unless you want every car to try and squeeze by you through the intersection.

Creates the issue of cyclists then feeling like they need to swerve right towards to pedestrian zone then squeeze back into the lane at the end of the intersection. A danger for both pedestrians and themselves.
 
its much harder to get your driving license in Ontario than it is in most US states - both the tests and the graduated system. California's full license test was easier than the Ontario G2 test (not the exit - the initial one).

People are annoyingly polite here and clump up but they're not really bad drivers - this place has the best roads (from a safety perspective) in NA and some of the safest drivers.
I would not say it's easier in most states, some populous states its tougher, some easier. The test and graduation system may filter out a few, but my point is you need not have more than a pulse and basic skills to pass Ontario's test. Take a drive thru the nuclear insurance zone like Markham or Brampton during rush hours to understand what I mean.

I was transferring am ownership in Service ON Stouffville last week, 3 of the 10 in line were young men paying hefty reinstatement fees. While that may not be the norm, the SO Agent says they process lots of those every day.
 
people hate on e-bikes - but it's one of the few transportation options people have if they've lost the "privilege" of driving.

So you admit they were a menace on the roads, so we should give them a pass?

No thank you.

As someone who does everything on the roads. I'd like to see at minimum a G1 written test and licenses for cyclists and legitimate assistive E-bikes. No registration or insurance required.

The big bulky E-bikes should be registered and insured as well as Limited Speed motorcycles.

Get a DUI and lose your license. Take the damn bus.
 
people hate on e-bikes - but it's one of the few transportation options people have if they've lost the "privilege" of driving.

If they lost the privilege of driving, why are they still driving?

And don't play the "but e-bike" card. 99% of them don't qualify legally as e-bikes.
 
we've built up a society where having a car is a right, even though we pretend it isn't - for most jobs you need a reliable car, for most cities and any rural setting - you need a car.

people hate on e-bikes - but it's one of the few transportation options people have if they've lost the "privilege" of driving.

anyway - my point is - people suck at driving everywhere that driving is required to live - the tests are setup so all can pass them, and we willingly accept thousands or (in the US) hundreds of thousands of casualties per year from it.

the only places you'll go in my experience that have "better" (safer) drivers than ontario are places where driving is expensive and not required for day to day life. Germany, Japan, etc...most people don't own cars there - the ones that do are much more invested in driving and had to pass much more difficult tests.
Owning a car might be a right, a license to operate it is a privilege.

You cannot legally operate an e-bike on the road when you have lost your driving privileges.

I've been a lot of places, the only one I can recall being incredibly safe and free of dangerous drivers is Bermuda.

Lived in Germany for a while, I'd say experienced drivers in Canada are better and more capable than experienced drivers in Germany. Show the average German driver a Canadian snowstorm or a vehicle the size of an F150 - NoVa.
 
I've been a lot of places, the only one I can recall being incredibly safe and free of dangerous drivers is Bermuda.

The restrictions there help with that. 250cc limit for motorcycles and IIRC the largest car you can import is a compact (ie: Civic)
 
Yes yes let's ignore the fact that I used to regularly track (and use sims for training.) Also remember: you are slower than me irl and have had more accidents involving other vehicles lol

Told ya our skill gap is too far for you to comprehend. Thanks for replying and trying though.
I have had zero accidents. Including pine cones.

Several track days does not a racer make….who sponsors you? Where’s the Calabogie training sim/Shannonville?


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Several track days does not a racer make….who sponsors you? Where’s the Calabogie training sim/Shannonville?


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Anyone else noticing the left lane is going slower than the middle or right lane lately?
 

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