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Agreed.
Look at what happened when the Europeans discovered the new world. I don't think they just came to take a look & went back

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IF they exist and are capable of traveling intergalactic distances, they would be more mentally advanced than those European explorers who were just after gold. I'm not saying that I believe, just pointing out that it would be incorrect to assign them the same limited mental capabilities as those explorers, or ourselves. Us trying to understand them, may be like fish trying to understand humans (and their politics, etc.)
 
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I would agree with that, Just because we think its a huge distance to travel, doesnt mean its ahuge distance for them.

i just think the possibility that Non-humans have visited in the past or present is greater than the possibilty of No-one visiting.
 
IF they exist and are capable of traveling intergalactic distances, they would be more mentally advanced than those European explorers who were just after gold. I'm not saying that I believe, just pointing out that it would be incorrect to assign them the same limited mental capabilities as those explorers, or ourselves. Us trying to understand them, may be like fish trying to understand humans (and their politics, etc.)

This is alien. Rob Ford content missing.
 
I would agree with that, Just because we think its a huge distance to travel, doesnt mean its ahuge distance for them.

i just think the possibility that Non-humans have visited in the past or present is greater than the possibilty of No-one visiting.

In terms of how long the universe has existed, we haven't even been around a second. The first time that we opened our collective mouths and shouted at the universe was a little over one hundred years ago. There are something like 15,000 stars within that volume. First you would have to assume that life existed within one or more of those 15,000 stars. Then you would have to assume that such life was intelligent. Still further to that you would have to assume that such life had not only achieved a technological civilization, but a level of technology that would allow them to travel to this planet via some faster than light method of transport like space folding or wormholes. Still another assumption would be that they would even be able to hear our tiny shout among all of the background radiation, pulsars, and the like given the distance involved. Consider trying to pick out the light of a candle that's held in front of the sun.

That is, of course, also assuming that they didn't randomly just happen across this little planet, on the outside of a galactic spiral arm, by random chance during the relatively short period of time that we've been on it. Estimates place the age of the earth at roughly 4.5 billion years (unless you're a Bible scholar, that is). Life has been around since after Earth's first billion years or so but was essentially single cellular in makeup, until about a billion years ago. The dinosaurs lived from 250 million years ago to about 65 million years ago.

Hominid creatures appeared around 4.5 (some think as long as 6) million years ago. Something recognizable as human has been around for maybe 100,000 years. The first recognizable civilization began in Sumeria, roughly 4,000 years ago.

Do you begin to see what the odds are that some highly advanced civilization has visited Man in the past?
 
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^ what he said

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In terms of how long the universe has existed, we haven't even been around a second. The first time that we opened our collective mouths and shouted at the universe was a little over one hundred years ago. There are something like 15,000 stars within that volume. First you would have to assume that life existed within one or more of those 15,000 stars. Then you would have to assume that such live was intelligent. Still further to that you would have to assume that such life had not only achieved a technological civilization, but a level of technology that would allow them to travel to this planet via some faster than light method of transport like space folding or wormholes. Still another assumption would be that they would even be able to hear our tiny shout among all of the background radiation, pulsars, and the like given the distance involved. Consider trying to pick out the light of a candle that's held in front of the sun.

That is, of course, also assuming that they didn't randomly just happen across this little planet, on the outside of a galactic spiral arm, by random chance during the relatively short period of time that we've been on it. Estimates place the age of the earth at roughly 4.5 billion years (unless you're a Bible scholar, that is). Life has been around since after Earth's first billion years or so but was essentially single cellular in makeup, until about a billion years ago. The dinosaurs lived from 250 million years ago to about 65 million years ago.

Hominid creatures appeared around 4.5 (some think as long as 6) million years ago. Something recognizable as human has been around for maybe 100,000 years. The first recognizable civilization began in Sumeria, roughly 4,000 years ago.

Do you begin to see what the odds are that some highly advanced civilization has visited Man in the past?

And yet hoards of people believe all of what of you've said against all of the wildly impossible odds of virtually all of the items you noted. Humans are a funny breed......
 
First you would have to assume that life existed within one or more of those 15,000 stars. Then you would have to assume that such live was intelligent. Still further to that you would have to assume that such life had not only achieved a technological civilization, but a level of technology that would allow them to travel to this planet via some faster than light method of transport like space folding or wormholes. Still another assumption would be that they would even be able to hear our tiny shout among all of the background radiation, pulsars, and the like given the distance involved. Consider trying to pick out the light of a candle that's held in front of the sun.

I wouldn't go around assuming anything. I'd throw that playbook right out the window.
 
Inreb, I purposefully did not include a Rob Ford reference, though I did mention fish trying to understand politics. The opportunity was there for a Ford supporter intelligence dig, but I left that alone. I'm more than a one trick pony. :)
 
I wouldn't go around assuming anything. I'd throw that playbook right out the window.

We have to make assumptions when discussing this topic. We don't have absolute data.

if you have actual figures that would help develop some actual probabilities please provide them and show your work or provide established peer review papers from an appropriate field.
 
And yet hoards of people believe all of what of you've said against all of the wildly impossible odds of virtually all of the items you noted. Humans are a funny breed......

Thats because the human brain is built to detect patterns and detect intelligent Agency's. Unfortunately it's not very fine tuned. Couple that with a general lack of scientific understanding and people's tendency to want easy answers you get a whole swath of people believe things without good evidence..Alien abductions, big foot, ghosts and that the show moonshiners isn't completely fake.
 
Schneller, like a renaissance pony?:)
 
Do you begin to see what the odds are that some highly advanced civilization has visited Man in the past?


Yes. I believe that the odds are pretty good were not the only ones here.. just because we cant comprehend the idea of HOW it could be done.
it could be as simple as stepping through a door. who knows ???

think about this.. we'v e only been at it for a million years, and we're on our way to Mars.
other planets/civilizations could have been around for 50 billion years. before us.

maybe their days arent 24 hrs, maybe a day for them is a year for us, who knows. thats whats so cool about it
it would be pretty ignorant to suggest all this around us ( the Universe ) was only built for man.
 
Yes. I believe that the odds are pretty good were not the only ones here.. just because we cant comprehend the idea of HOW it could be done.
it could be as simple as stepping through a door. who knows ???

think about this.. we'v e only been at it for a million years, and we're on our way to Mars.
other planets/civilizations could have been around for 50 billion years. before us.

maybe their days arent 24 hrs, maybe a day for them is a year for us, who knows. thats whats so cool about it
it would be pretty ignorant to suggest all this around us ( the Universe ) was only built for man.

Yes, I already made the comment that life elsewhere is likely. You've obviously missed my point that even if there is life elsewhere in the universe, it's incredibly unlikely that they have a clue that we're here, let alone have visited us in the past.

*EDIT* I guess it's time for another analogy. Imagine that 'it's as simple as walking through a door.' You're in Toronto. There's a million dollars, in gold, behind one door in the city. You're only in town for 24 hours. Now imagine that the gold is actually in a kid's tent, in his back yard, and it's only up over night for his sleep out. What are the odds that you'll actually find it?

And that isn't even on the scale that we're talking about. There's a universe full of door and, for all we know, we're as likely to be considered excrement as gold, by the creatures who might be looking for us. The number of doors is, for all practical purposes, infinite. I've already talked about how long we've been around, on the universal scale, and it's certainly less than the kid's overnight camp out.
 
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Blue stones only make up a small part of the stone Hendge(its a whole lot bigger than just that stone circle there is a precession lines that go for miles) and although i generally accept that we probably brought the blue stone that is there from whales its also possible that the stone was sourced much closer due to glacial affect although i don't think thats the majority opinion.

All i'm staying is that aliens moving the blue stone there is not likely.
 

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