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Sunday Morning Rides are Over - Cyclists win.
- Thread starter Merkid
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The separate cycle path on country/secondary roads isn't a horrible idea, but probably couldn't be done at this point.
When I was in Holland they had just such a thing running adjacent to the 2 lane road between villages. A paved, separated bicycle route.
Putting the same thing along Hwy 2 or Hwy 7 would be nice and probably would get used. It's likely impossible, they can't even bother to pave the shoulder in most municipalities and the right of way isn't wide enough in most places for a separate path. Then of course is the multiple layers of impenetrable bureaucracy that makes any such idea dead before it even escapes someone's mouth. Pitty.
Mad Mike
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That's the problem when users have no 'skin in the game'. A few vocal advocates convince politicians that 'if you build it, they will come' and it never happens. I'd argue the same in York Region -- I see far more cyclists using backroads that have zero cycling infrastructure than I do in the urban areas with real expensive infrastructure.
I'm still for bicycle infrastructure. I'd prefer less frivolous building, more concentration on arterial routes. I also cant see why municipalities don't create more pathways first using hardpack gravel - cheap as dirt! If these paths get well adopted then pave them. I also wish more creative thinking went into our shared infrastructure. For example, there is a bus only corridor that runs along HWY 7 thru Markham and Richmond hill. I think it gets a bus every hour - otherwise it's empty. It would be far safer for cyclists to share that space with 1 bus every hour as opposed to the thousands of cars and trucks that use the roadway per hour.
bigpoppa
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This is one problem brampton doesnt have.
Also they have yet to meet a cyclist brave enough
Honestly that $hit frustrates me so much.
Montreal opened a new "network" recently, and it's getting a lot of usage, it's along main streets too.
For people who can read french this is a bit of the "after"
Données des compteurs des pistes cyclables | Le Réseau express vélo cartonne
L’engouement pour le nouveau Réseau express vélo (REV) se confirme, montrent des données captées par des compteurs sur les pistes cyclables de la Ville de Montréal et analysées par La Presse. L’affluence des cyclistes sur la portion centrale du principal axe nord-sud du REV, rues Saint-Denis...
www.lapresse.ca
An idea of the project:
The EBN: Montréal's Express Bike Network
Le REV, Réseau express vélo, est un projet de voie cyclable de 184 km qui sera réparti sur l’ensemble du territoire de l'île de Montréal.
montreal.ca
@Mad Mike i think we totally agree on the infrastructure here, lots of missed opportunities and lack of a general vision
Hard pack gravel is pretty easy to ride on. You lose a few km/h but not that much. Probably a little more maintenance as heavy rains normally make a mess and require regrading but much cheaper up front.
I like your cycling/bus lanes but people are far too invested in their own special interest to ever cooperate on a project. Transit people have their piece of land now and will never share it.
Mad Mike
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Hard pack is the same evolution that automobile roads have gone thru for the last 100 years. When I was a kid, I recall 2 paved roads running north-south (Woodbine and 48) and 2 east-west (Steeles and HWY 7). 14th, 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th were gravel. As was 11, 10, 9, 7 (McCowan),6 (Kennedy) 5th (Warden) lines. They evolved as traffic needs dictated.
Why not do same on bike paths? It's worked for rural roads over the last 100 years?
Does the money you pay in gas tax, licence renewal, plate stickers, etc. cover you and the wife’s use of the infrastructure while you’re cycling? If so, the majority of all the other cyclists can make say they have “skin in the game” as well.
Mad Mike
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Of course it does, it covers the road part of infrastructure for all users.
Not sure what your point is?
Three days, six pages and 110 posts. Obviously another nerve touching thread.
FACT: Our roads were never designed for recreation. They were designed for transportation. They aren't race tracks, exercise outlets or social gathering places regardless of your means on conveyance. So find another place to pedal your bike, pop your wheelies, drag your knee, show off your loud pipes, toot the horn on your vintage car etc.
If you choose to do any of the above without consideration there will be consequences. Rolling roadblocks of bicycles, motorcycles or vintage cars have no special privileges.
I tend to ride solo when I need a break from the city. Why would anyone suggest I have to pick less scenic roads because bicyclists have dibs on the other ones.
Critical mass sucks.
FACT: Our roads were never designed for recreation. They were designed for transportation. They aren't race tracks, exercise outlets or social gathering places regardless of your means on conveyance. So find another place to pedal your bike, pop your wheelies, drag your knee, show off your loud pipes, toot the horn on your vintage car etc.
If you choose to do any of the above without consideration there will be consequences. Rolling roadblocks of bicycles, motorcycles or vintage cars have no special privileges.
I tend to ride solo when I need a break from the city. Why would anyone suggest I have to pick less scenic roads because bicyclists have dibs on the other ones.
Critical mass sucks.
Actually
19th century cyclists paved the way for modern motorists' roads | Carlton Reid
Car drivers assume the roads were built for them, but it was cyclists who first lobbied for flat roads more than 100 years ago
www.theguardian.com
Basically we're coming full circle again
Actually
19th century cyclists paved the way for modern motorists' roads | Carlton Reid
Car drivers assume the roads were built for them, but it was cyclists who first lobbied for flat roads more than 100 years ago
Basically we're coming full circle again
The way was “paved” by bicycles, or truthfully pedestrians, but the paved road was not created for either (in North America).
We need to share. A peloton on a busy route in busy times is not sharing.
I’m not against cyclists, I’m against a**holes on foot or any number of wheels.
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Alright, who read this thread and got all riled up? Morons, both of them.
www.680news.com
Police investigating altercation between motorist and cyclist at Dufferin and College
Toronto police say they are investigating after an altercation between a motorist and cyclist was captured on video. The incident happened on Tuesday just after 11 a.m. at Dufferin and College Streets. The video of the altercation was later posted to social media. It shows a cyclist and a silver...
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BigEvilDoer
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to add to the horror..... named Karen and Ken.
Did the cyclist slash the truck's tire? Looks like he at least tried in the video....Alright, who read this thread and got all riled up? Morons, both of them.
Police investigating altercation between motorist and cyclist at Dufferin and College
Toronto police say they are investigating after an altercation between a motorist and cyclist was captured on video. The incident happened on Tuesday just after 11 a.m. at Dufferin and College Streets. The video of the altercation was later posted to social media. It shows a cyclist and a silver...
Apparently cyclist took off from the cops (big surprise) and is wanted for mischief and a couple other things. Morons. Both of them.
On the news they are reporting it was a knife and the tire popped....
Virtually every one of those cyclists you see out on the roads in Halton have a car (or two or three) in the driveway with taxed gas in the tank(s), license plates with current stickers on them, and a driver's license in their wallet, so they DO have skin in the game. If you want to argue that the road racers out training + the wannabes act like pompous nozzles that's fine. They are pompous nozzles (and that's coming from someone that use to road race - I'm more than familiar with what they're like up close and personal). Using tax arguments to marginalize them is just dumb.
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