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Sub 1:20 TMP dudes feeling bored?
- Thread starter Corsara
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Slicks or no slicks...the decision wouldn't have been so tough if I didn't have to wait 2 weeks in between trackdays (i'm surprised it's not in the prenup, lol).
Yeah you will if it's the Sat 20th, which I'm afraid is not
Yeah you will if it's the Sat 20th, which I'm afraid is not
TLDeano
Well-known member
Ooooh, yaaaaaa. Who cares how quick u are around a crap hole like tmp... A kwick lap at Bogie is real bragging rights.
Slicks or no slicks...the decision wouldn't have been so tough if I didn't have to wait 2 weeks in between trackdays (i'm surprised it's not in the prenup, lol).
Yeah you will if it's the Sat 20th, which I'm afraid is not
On the website it says the next TMP track day is on Sunday the 21st. Is there another organization doing a track day on Saturday the 20th cause I'd be up for that?
awyala
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Give us a lap time to shoot for....the "1:20" of Bogie. I am heading there next month for the first time and would like a rabbit to chase.
PS: were you at Burrito Boys in 'Sauga on a yellow TL1000R today?
There has been a lot of good feedback regarding lines etc so far.
I think the only glaring thing(s) I will comment on is stay on the gas longer, and if you run out of gear but still have more track, then pull another gear and stay on the gas more. You can pull another gear on the front straight, and another gear on the back straight, easily. You can pull another gear for the chicane. You can definitely brake later and harder, and in some cases, you engine brake to decelerate for the coming turn instead of accellerating as long as possible and front brake to slow for the turn.
Accelerate more, brake later and stronger. I can see 3 or 4 seconds in just acceleration and braking alone. You might benefit from a slight gearing change to allow for taller and shorter gearing for specific turns.
I think the only glaring thing(s) I will comment on is stay on the gas longer, and if you run out of gear but still have more track, then pull another gear and stay on the gas more. You can pull another gear on the front straight, and another gear on the back straight, easily. You can pull another gear for the chicane. You can definitely brake later and harder, and in some cases, you engine brake to decelerate for the coming turn instead of accellerating as long as possible and front brake to slow for the turn.
Accelerate more, brake later and stronger. I can see 3 or 4 seconds in just acceleration and braking alone. You might benefit from a slight gearing change to allow for taller and shorter gearing for specific turns.
TLDeano
Well-known member
Ya , I found my way over there with some very pretty freinds for a bite.
Bogie times are like tmp times, just add a minute. If you do a 1.17 at tmp, You do a 2.17 at bogie.(there and about)
Its a totally different style of riding tho, this hard on gas and brakes and tight bumpy crap doesn't work there.
awyala
Guest
Ya , I found my way over there with some very pretty freinds for a bite.
Bogie times are like tmp times, just add a minute. If you do a 1.17 at tmp, You do a 2.17 at bogie.(there and about)
Its a totally different style of riding tho, this hard on gas and brakes and tight bumpy crap doesn't work there.
Thought it was you. I came by on my nephews 748. Wasn't sure it was you until you put on your helmet and rode off with friends in tow. There always seems to be much to learn from you
See ya around. I'll be aiming for a 2:20 to 2:22-ish at Bogie then. If you don't hear any boasts outta me, then I didn't hit it.
Will try slicks again. Been referring to Bridgestone Superbike Slicks for pressures, which states 27f/24r (cold), 29f/26r (off warmers), 31f/28r (hot off the track).
Stupid me, just found out mine are actually Bridgestone Racing Battlax, which is a different tire.
They recommend 180-210 kpa front (26-30 psi) and 190-220 kpa rear (27-32 psi), but is that cold, off the warmers, or off the track pressures?!?!?!??
Also first time I'm seeing front tire pressure lower than the rear, is this normal?
Source for the pressures: http://www.bridgestone.com/products/motorcycle_tires/products/racingbattlax/index.html
Please just go buy some GP-As
front28/rear21 on Warmers.
They run a national race series on them.
There are tonnes of them around.
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Yeah right, like I'm gonna throw in the garbage perfectly good slicks.. not a millionaire yet, and this hobby isn't helping. I'll buy GPAs next, that's decided, but I have to finish this set of slicks first.
EDIT: and I'll run on the Q3 again. Works for me for now. End thread now
EDIT 2: Screw first EDIT, I'm going out on slicks
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FriendlyFoe
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Something that i think makes a lot of descent riders have slow lap times is the way they apply the brakes. It looks like you're starting to brake where you feel comfortable, and then only braking hard enough to get down to the right corner speed. What you need to do is brake at 100 percent of your capability, if you find you're slowing down too much then brake later. If the back tire isn't starting to come off the ground, brake harder. To do this you need to pick *physical* reference points on the ground, a patch of different looking pavement, as soon as a paint marker comes into view, whatever. If you try to guess sooner or later you'll get it wrong.
Also at points you're coasting, between 3-4 for example (i'm bad for coasting coming up to 4 as well). Never coast, full on the gas, off-flick the bike over, gentle trail brake and back on the gas.
As for tires! Street tires suck, they have a profile designed for the street. You can still go mega fast if you're good but they dont turn in like a race tire, dont have as much front end or edge grip. That being said, what i'd really recommend is stepping up to a track day tire. The thing about a track day tire (bridgestone bt-003RS/pirelli superbike pro) is that it gives you tons of feedback. It will yell and scream at you "hey i'm going to slide!!! see i'm starting to move!!! look i'm sliding!!!" and they will do it in a very predictable way. Slicks on the other hand whisper in your ear "psst, dont do that. I'm going to let go if you do that." The thing about a slick is to get proper feedback you need to be pushing it to the limit, and that's very very hard to do. I run on DOT's and find i cant get close to the limit because i'm not going fast enough to understand what the tire is trying to tell me.
my .02
Also at points you're coasting, between 3-4 for example (i'm bad for coasting coming up to 4 as well). Never coast, full on the gas, off-flick the bike over, gentle trail brake and back on the gas.
As for tires! Street tires suck, they have a profile designed for the street. You can still go mega fast if you're good but they dont turn in like a race tire, dont have as much front end or edge grip. That being said, what i'd really recommend is stepping up to a track day tire. The thing about a track day tire (bridgestone bt-003RS/pirelli superbike pro) is that it gives you tons of feedback. It will yell and scream at you "hey i'm going to slide!!! see i'm starting to move!!! look i'm sliding!!!" and they will do it in a very predictable way. Slicks on the other hand whisper in your ear "psst, dont do that. I'm going to let go if you do that." The thing about a slick is to get proper feedback you need to be pushing it to the limit, and that's very very hard to do. I run on DOT's and find i cant get close to the limit because i'm not going fast enough to understand what the tire is trying to tell me.
my .02
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Some more great tips from FriendlyFoe here, thanks!
Dunlop Q3 - sold. Bridgestone Racing Battlax slicks - installed. Starting pressures figured out. Genny fixed, warmers fixed. Bike fixed. Will flush the front with new brake fluid and good to go. Tips from this thread summarized in my head. Laptimer will be running, but will not be looked at during or between sessions. Concentrate on getting my lines correct before anything else. Saturday - insignificant chance of rain. Excitement--you bet!
Off topic, because I can't help it not saying it: TMP is always advertised as a 3km road course. It is 2km 330m, furthermore, that's the distance traveled with wide exits and sloppy lines. Just a pet peeve...
Dunlop Q3 - sold. Bridgestone Racing Battlax slicks - installed. Starting pressures figured out. Genny fixed, warmers fixed. Bike fixed. Will flush the front with new brake fluid and good to go. Tips from this thread summarized in my head. Laptimer will be running, but will not be looked at during or between sessions. Concentrate on getting my lines correct before anything else. Saturday - insignificant chance of rain. Excitement--you bet!
Off topic, because I can't help it not saying it: TMP is always advertised as a 3km road course. It is 2km 330m, furthermore, that's the distance traveled with wide exits and sloppy lines. Just a pet peeve...
Several years back, I was at a Golo trackday. Spent most of the day with one of the marshalls, very fast fellow on a Buell. The main thing that stuck was him saying to first and foremost focus on increasing corner speed, that's what will make you faster.
When I got out to track days, that's what I'm doing. Working on increasing corner speeds (and trying different lines sometimes). I find hard late braking to be more fatiguing, making the later sessions less enjoyable.
This guys advice I think was great. Not worrying about hard braking into the corners. He even went so far as to say just roll-off and set your speed for the corner, trying not to use much brake at all. At the end of a full trackday, my body is still usually not too fatigued, and I can still have fun in that last session of the day.
When I got out to track days, that's what I'm doing. Working on increasing corner speeds (and trying different lines sometimes). I find hard late braking to be more fatiguing, making the later sessions less enjoyable.
This guys advice I think was great. Not worrying about hard braking into the corners. He even went so far as to say just roll-off and set your speed for the corner, trying not to use much brake at all. At the end of a full trackday, my body is still usually not too fatigued, and I can still have fun in that last session of the day.
dextasy
Well-known member
that was FBG
Fat Bottomed Girl?
Making the track day world go 'round.
I wonder if I'll get to TMP this year to try to become a sub 1:20 dude on my new bike. 2.6 seconds off it with my old bike. The only way I got there on my SV650 was corner speed. Totally agree with the above comment. Keith Code talked about that in his books too. Higher corner speed, especially in longer corners, will take lots of time out of your laps.
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