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Sub 1:20 TMP dudes feeling bored?

TLDeano said:
turn 10 should be fast, very very fast. sometimes my front wheel lifts transitioning from 9 to 10 that's a hard accelerating area .
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+1 for Dean tips. I tried paraphrasing you earlier in the thread. Thanks again for the tow and the track side tips. If I wasn't so out of shape and tired in the shoulders I know your tips would have knocked a cpl seconds off my sloppy lines of the morning!

I need to do some pushups! Trail braking into turn two and pushing the bar took its toll on my right shoulder, especially in the afternoon. When I tried using the legs on the tank to relieve the stress, it made for a numb, vague, and lack of feed back feel in the front end under hard braking into turn 2. My tank is narrow and it isn't as easy to use the legs in braking as it was on my old ZX10's wider tank. Either that or I'm not good at reading front end slippage with my crotch! Feel free to use anything from that last sentance for ribbing fodder ;)

PS I got some good pics of you on my 6 and a mean crazed look in your eyes. Msg me your email if you want them.

PS...what displacement you running?

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carboncat said:
now thaT you know all that..... you better be in the 1:12's ya pu$$y!! LOL
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Not only I'll do 1:12s at my next trackday, but I'll do it on street tires too! No wait, F that---I don't need tires at all, I'll just fly :p
 
Does this track destroy the right side of a tire in a single day?
 
Some god people in here giving advice, I am glad this is not turning into a **** show.

Good thread. Subscribed ;)
 
TLDeano said:
Me too! I wana learn how to go quicker ...
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There's only 1 way you're gonna go any quicker now....put numbers on that bike.
 
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Try riding some other tracks. Your skill set and experience is being limited by just trying to learn everything on one track. I used to run 1.27s at TMP. Then after 2 seasons of Calabogie, Jennings, Mid Ohio and Mosport I went back to TMP. By mid afternoon I was at 1.20. I'm sure if I went back I'd shave a bit more time off.

Some of the turns you're struggling on will become easier if you experience other tracks. For example, treat turn 2 & 3 as you would Temptation at Calabogie. Etc, etc, etc...............
 
omnivore said:
There's only 1 way you're gonna go any quicker now....put numbers on that bike.
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and run endurance

1 hr lapping continuously (over 40 laps), gives you a good chance to work on things
 
You guys who run endurance---you must be very fit! I'm literally dying after 10 laps or so, even at my pace. Even worse when it's a hot day, when I pull into the pits I feel like the earplugs will pop out of my ears from my pulse. I guess I should finally hit the treadmill for double effect---endurance and wife likey likey more more :p
 
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When I began sprint racing 2.5 yrs ago, I remember looking behind me at 8 laps in, praying there would be no one trying to pass me....cuz I just wanted to relax for a second or two....but I was podiuming on my first weekend, so there simply wasn't room to take a break. It was excruciatingly strenuous on me physically, and I would literally pant like a dog and fog up my helmet, even in nice weather. I had never done trackdays, so I wasn't very well versed at the how-to part of lapping, and was just frantic behind the bars. I wouldn't hurt after the races, but during them myheart was at a killer rate, and my ears would pound, often I would have a headache after only a couple laps, my hands would fall aspleep and hurt. After talking to faster racers, and getting tips on mental conditioning, breathing, how to relax wwhile riding fast, etc, I began to calm down. A clear head will do wonders for your physical stress level.

Paul, Outtacontrol and I started last summer....and I warned them both that I had never raced more than 16 minutes at a time, and I had no idea how much I had in the tank. We have all adapted quickly, and any one of us can ride 75 minutes straight no problem.....and all 3of us seem to lap at the same pace as eachother.

By our second race, I had a 79 minute straight session. My longest so far has been 84 mins. I am not fat, but a long way from "in shape". I can't even run two blocks without panting.
Amusingly, my endurance laps are within tenths of a second of my sprint race laps....and often, my last 10-15 laps after 70+ minutes of steady racing, will be my very fastest ones. Last round, was the most physically demanding layout at Grand Bend in my opinion, and for some reason, when I got off the bike after 70+ minutes, I felt like I could have hopped right back on for another hour.
 
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Lol you guys are heroes, I don't think I'll be able to do that. But I've also become a bit fat too in the last couple of years, soo.. :(

I'd love to come by and spectate some day though, it sounds exciting! Maybe this will finally give me some stimulus to get back in shape.
 
Im no expert by any means but I went from 1:24's to 1:16 in 4 track days and a race practice at TMP. Id have to say with my limited experience, I think its all about the proper lines and braking, I improved most when I figured out the proper lines after following better riders. That got me to about 1:20 the rest I felt came from braking later, as I found myself trying to stay on the gas as long as possible and brake as late as possible. Also what people said about 2-3 is very true, I used to take it like 2 very separate turns, but after I started coming into 2 a gear higher, Id carry way more corner speed and treat them as one turn. Thats also how and where I crashed so don't push too hard, but seeing racers take the corners way faster then made me try to step up the corner speeds. I believe I picked up most of my time on 1,2,3 also

Also unrelated to technique, I gained a lot of confidence by changing to slicks. I didn't try DOT race tires, so Im not sure how they would compare to slicks, but slicks compared to the street tires I used the first time was a huge confidence booster in pushing the limits of the lean angle and braking. I know I couldn't do nearly as good times on street tires, and if I wanted to improve anymore then where I left off I would have to invest in suspension upgrades as my suspension was stock and making riding at that pace pretty sketchy at times
 
I'm so pumped with enthusiasm I can barely wait for my next TMP track day (the 20th), even though my neck still hurts from the whiplash and I can barely crouch because my rib cage hurts , lol!

To me personally this thread provided me with more value than anything I've ever read on GTAM, I'm so happy I started it!

How do you know when it's time to ditch the street tires (besides sliding excessively, crashing, etc.). I just bought the Dunlop Q3 and had just one day on them, and I'm feeling like I might shed a couple of seconds easy based on all advice here as soon as the next time I'm at TMP. Should I go by feel, or we can agree there's some general cut-off times when even the best street tires (like the Q3) are becoming too risky?

For reference, I already have a pair for slicks, which I used with warmers the first couple of track days this season at TMP. However, I was running 1:28 at the time and they were slipping quite a bit (couldn't keep the heat in them at that pace). If you had to guess---would sub 1:24 justify throwing away my almost new Q3 and putting the slicks back on, or not just yet?
 
Rode from 1:30 to 1:20 on dots and no warmers. Actually I've only ever done 6 laps on street tires and hated every second (tried my street bike for a few laps and switched back to my track bike). With the better weather and a few days under your belt I'd say try the slicks again, if they loose heat come back in and warm them back up.
 
Corsara said:
I'm so pumped with enthusiasm I can barely wait for my next TMP track day (the 20th), even though my neck still hurts from the whiplash and I can barely crouch because my rib cage hurts , lol!

To me personally this thread provided me with more value than anything I've ever read on GTAM, I'm so happy I started it!

How do you know when it's time to ditch the street tires (besides sliding excessively, crashing, etc.). I just bought the Dunlop Q3 and had just one day on them, and I'm feeling like I might shed a couple of seconds easy based on all advice here as soon as the next time I'm at TMP. Should I go by feel, or we can agree there's some general cut-off times when even the best street tires (like the Q3) are becoming too risky?

For reference, I already have a pair for slicks, which I used with warmers the first couple of track days this season at TMP. However, I was running 1:28 at the time and they were slipping quite a bit (couldn't keep the heat in them at that pace). If you had to guess---would sub 1:24 justify throwing away my almost new Q3 and putting the slicks back on, or not just yet?
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If it ain't broke don't fix it, especially if your just starting out you dont want to make too many changes. I changed to slicks because after a few laps on street tires they would slide all over the place. Might not be the right solution but they worked for me
 
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