Stunt Driving.... Need Help!!!

[Brian P]

Wrong. I think I'm not as good as I am. Which is why I keep learning. You seem to think we go to race tracks to be holigans, when really it is to improve our skills. You should try it sometime and see just how little skill you have. Oh we also like to win races. Much like watching paint dry.

^ This ...

As for thinking that there is never a "time and place" ... Some people are capable of making reasonable risk assessments. Other people seem incapable of understanding what that means (and don't seem to grasp that some people are actually capable of doing it).

Overtaking traffic and then discovering oncoming traffic means that wasn't done properly. Someone wasn't thinking or looking far enough ahead. There are PLENTY of riders (and drivers) who don't think and look far enough ahead. And there are plenty who do.

If there is another vehicle anywhere in sight, it probably isn't a good time and place. 400 series highways are pretty much by definition not a good time and place.

There is a factor of about 20 between the most and least powerful bike that I own. Funny thing, they all have about the same observed top speed on a 400 series highway and that's also about the same observed top speed as my car. Somewhere near 118 km/h ... about what everyone else is doing. Number one rule of not getting tickets ... don't stick out like a sore thumb.

It's also rare that I overtake a car on a rural back road unless they are actually going *below* the speed limit.

As far as the original poster ... hedo2002 has written the most sensible advice. The original poster has made life difficult for themselves by (A) speeding by that much, (B) in a place where too many people were observing, (C) for sufficiently long that the chopper could get on the case (it may have been called in by someone on the ground, or the situation may have been observed on a road that the chopper patrols), (D) admitting what they'd done to the cops, (E) writing about it online.

 

[Brian P]

If a tree falls in the woods and nones around does it still make a sound?

LOL ... Precisely the point ...

 

[OnAnySunday]

I'd like to focus my animus on why vehicles on public roads are able to achieve 190 and well beyond. It's the most retarded thing ever. I bet "they" could engineer powerful fun to drive fuel efficient vehicles that run out of steam @130. Vehicles able to do 300 is akin to USA constitutional gun rights. Retarded.

lol wot?

 

[OnAnySunday]

So with that line of thinking, guns kill people, people don't kill people, right?

Inreb pls.

The only way forward is to continually improve. If we didn't have cars capable of 300 kmh speeds, we wouldn't have the safety standards of today. But that's a different tangent.

Bottom line is, it's up to the driver to control themselves and not need a babysitter.

a voice of reason, thank you

 

[inreb]

lol wot?

Nobody makes a 20L V12 street legal dune buggy Cash in hand.

 

[hedo2002]

so you were doing 170-190 in sub zero temps, on cold tires, on pavement slick with rain and frost. smart move.
you shouldn't be on two wheels, or 4.

Did you read the OP's entire post? He said he is expecting disclosure the next day after he posted (23 Nov), meaning the offence likely occured anywhere from 30 - 45 days ago. So there would have been NO frost, perhaps NO rain and certainly NO cold tires.

So I won't chastise him on those points, goodness knows there are many others to focus on.

 

[Blackfin]

^ This ...

As for thinking that there is never a "time and place" ... Some people are capable of making reasonable risk assessments. Other people seem incapable of understanding what that means (and don't seem to grasp that some people are actually capable of doing it).

I'm guessing the only "risk assessments" being done by the vast majority of guys running multiples of posted limits out in the boonies is how likely it is that there's a cop somewhere along the way. They aren't thinking about which makes the best runoff area: the stand of pines to the right or the culvert to the left. They aren't thinking about how long they may be lying in said "runoff" area after a wreck because, unlike most trackdays where EMS is on-site, it may be hours before a rider is noticed 50 yards into a stand of pines. In their haste to get out there and rip it up they probably aren't doing TCLOCKs checks and won't notice the thread of carcass showing through the rubber on the rear tire and the heightened risk of tire failure at speed. They probably aren't assessing wildlife populations in the area -- especially big stuff like deer -- etc. They probably don't assess the risk of runoff from rain on rarely-traveled roads leaving rocks and gravel in the middle of a corner...

If people did real risk analyses I doubt they would ride the same way. Of course some -- the young and the immortal -- still would because risk analyses include probability and severity terms and these guys are willing to throw caution to the wind by underestimating both probability and severity terms.

 

[dricked]

I'm guessing the only "risk assessments" being done by the vast majority of guys running multiples of posted limits out in the boonies is how likely it is that there's a cop somewhere along the way. They aren't thinking about which makes the best runoff area: the stand of pines to the right or the culvert to the left. They aren't thinking about how long they may be lying in said "runoff" area after a wreck because, unlike most trackdays where EMS is on-site, it may be hours before a rider is noticed 50 yards into a stand of pines. In their haste to get out there and rip it up they probably aren't doing TCLOCKs checks and won't notice the thread of carcass showing through the rubber on the rear tire and the heightened risk of tire failure at speed. They probably aren't assessing wildlife populations in the area -- especially big stuff like deer -- etc. They probably don't assess the risk of runoff from rain on rarely-traveled roads leaving rocks and gravel in the middle of a corner...

If people did real risk analyses I doubt they would ride the same way. Of course some -- the young and the immortal -- still would because risk analyses include probability and severity terms and these guys are willing to throw caution to the wind by underestimating both probability and severity terms.

You're fairly new to riding aren't you?

 

[OnAnySunday]

Totally off-topic but: True, to an extent. The number of people dead in Paris would in all likelihood have been lower if they didn't have AK47s.

Same with Columbine. Same with Virginia Tech. Same with Ecole Polytechnique. Same with Sandy Hook. Same with Umpqua CC. And Northern Illinois U. And Nickel Mines. ... etcetera ad nauseum.

Your argument is invalid, some states in the US have very strict gun control and some don't, France has strict gun control, yet the terrorists will find AK47's, schools will be shot up, etc...

What people fail to understand is that terrorist/criminals don't follow laws. For example, one gun law might be be to register all guns, restrict mag size, etc. What makes you think a criminal will follow this law? They don't, won't and will never. In the end people kill people.

 

[FLSTC]

Slightly tangential, but are you sure that you have to report a traffic offense to your insurance company (as opposed to just 'fessing up when asked)? Is there a threshold of seriousness or points above which you must? I am not sure this is a blanket requirement and it would be best to read your policy to see what your obligations are.

Yes.

Assuming that you have an Ontario Automobile Insurance policy, this is what you signed:



...

1.1 This Policy is Part of a Contract

This policy is part of a contract between you and us. The contract includes three documents:

• a completed and signed Application for Automobile Insurance,

• a Certificate of Automobile Insurance, and

• this policy.

Under the contract, we agree to provide you with the insurance that is summarized on your Certificate of Automobile Insurance, and for which you have agreed to pay a premium.

...

1.4 Your Responsibilities

If you fail to meet your responsibilities, claims under this policy, with the exception of certain Accident Benefits, may be denied.

By accepting this contract you agree to the following conditions.

1.4.1 You agree to notify us promptly in writing of any significant change of which you are aware in your status as a driver, owner or lessee of a described automobile. You also agree to let us know of any change that might increase the risk of an incident or affect our willingness to insure you at current rates.

You must promptly tell us of any change in information supplied in your original application for insurance, such as additional drivers, or a change in the way a described automobile is used.

...

 

[OnAnySunday]

Nobody makes a 20L V12 street legal dune buggy Cash in hand.

If they did, I'd first try downloading it

 

[inreb]

I'm guessing the only "risk assessments" being done by the vast majority of guys running multiples of posted limits out in the boonies is how likely it is that there's a cop somewhere along the way. They aren't thinking about which makes the best runoff area: the stand of pines to the right or the culvert to the left. They aren't thinking about how long they may be lying in said "runoff" area after a wreck because, unlike most trackdays where EMS is on-site, it may be hours before a rider is noticed 50 yards into a stand of pines. In their haste to get out there and rip it up they probably aren't doing TCLOCKs checks and won't notice the thread of carcass showing through the rubber on the rear tire and the heightened risk of tire failure at speed. They probably aren't assessing wildlife populations in the area -- especially big stuff like deer -- etc. They probably don't assess the risk of runoff from rain on rarely-traveled roads leaving rocks and gravel in the middle of a corner...

If people did real risk analyses I doubt they would ride the same way. Of course some -- the young and the immortal -- still would because risk analyses include probability and severity terms and these guys are willing to throw caution to the wind by underestimating both probability and severity terms.

There's always the possibility of something bad happening. Some people get by on denial other people get a buzz by embracing it. But thanks for the list. "Come to think of it motorbiking should be banned outright, too dangerous" Bubble Boy

 

[hedo2002]

There's always the possibility of something bad happening. Some people get by on denial other people get a buzz by embracing it. But thanks for the list. "Come to think of it motorbiking should be banned outright, too dangerous" Bubble Boy

I would venture to bet of all the single motorcycle traffic fatalities I have had to attend and investigate not one of them thought they were above the threshold in their "risk assessment".

 

[ZX600]

I would venture to bet of all the single motorcycle traffic fatalities I have had to attend and investigate not one of them thought they were above the threshold in their "risk assessment".

I would bet that most if not all of them knew they were above their threshold but ignored it due to peer pressure or stupidity.

 

[Brian P]

I would venture to bet of all the single motorcycle traffic fatalities I have had to attend and investigate not one of them thought they were above the threshold in their "risk assessment".

Perhaps, but the ones that did the assessment correctly didn't have that crash in the first place and therefore there was nothing to investigate.

 

[inreb]

I might remind some in this thread that driving is still a priveledge, not a right, so excuse me while I roll my eyes into the back of my head with regards to the "freedom" and "liberty" spiels.

Now, I've read a lot of dumb things on GTAM, this about takes the cake. A "Right" is a law or freedom guaranteed to you by the constitution in the country you reside in. A quick Google search will take you to our Canadian Rights and Freedoms. I'd love to post the section where a drivers license is a right, but it isn't there, because it isn't a right.

If you feel driving is a Right, I'd love for you to explain while sourcing from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

From time to time, in these riding/driving threads, some clown might remind everybody what deal is with the licence. You know, to keep every body in line. Do I need to look at a Charter of Rights and Freedoms to figure out my next move. I don't see driving listed. Oh boy. I don't see a lot of things listed. Ay Carumba. Looks like most activities are privileges then. Are we serfs to our leaders? Let's keep it real.

 

[inreb]

I would venture to bet of all the single motorcycle traffic fatalities I have had to attend and investigate not one of them thought they were above the threshold in their "risk assessment".

I would bet that most if not all of them knew they were above their threshold but ignored it due to peer pressure or stupidity.

I would go with number 2 as it seems more plausible. Ironically I'm posting this on the ****ter.

 

[SweetOnion]

With this one statement you seemed to prove and disprove your whole statement; if introducing the regulation of 105 km/h worked, we would see less trucks involved in accidents. The truth is we haven't (as you said), idiots just perform idiotic acts slower.

Furthermore, the 105 km/hr regulation is a joke; I invite you to pace any large 18-wheeler in the wee hours of the night, especially outside the city limits of Toronto. You'll see first-hand that practical application of such a heinous regulation is absolutely bogus.

The counter-intuitive answer is more education, less regulation.

You're checking to make sure all those trucks you're pacing are registered in Ontario, right?

 

[dricked]

I would venture to bet of all the single motorcycle traffic fatalities I have had to attend and investigate not one of them thought they were above the threshold in their "risk assessment".

Lots of riders get in over their head. This can happen at 80km/h in an 80km/h zone. Some people know what their ability is and don't push it, others do and pay for it. This doesn't mean people that know how to ride and know their limit can't break the speed limit without killing themselves and every innocent kitten along the way.

The guy that got his M1 last week and went 300km/h down the 401....well he's "that guy".

 

[RedDogDarren]

Still a lot of whining going on in this thread.