Shooting in Connecticut

[BuckWild]

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So you are saying that because the majority disagrees with reason, facts and common sense, they should impose their will on the minority population in a tyrannical fashion? Guess what, that's precisely the reason why we also have constitutions. Thank God that the Americans have a specific provision in their constitution and that in Canada the minority is big enough to make the political parties think twice. They were able to push us up to a certain point, but now we're pushing back. Thank you for C-19



Yes and that is why we have mitigating factors like safety training, storage and transport regs (those go a bit overboard in severity, tbh) and background checks. We aren't banning Mustangs, aftermarket seats and Momo steering wheels before too many knuckleheads crash them.

No, but we do have safety standards that those items must pass before being placed for public use.
By your logic then we should allow formula 1 cars to drive around the streets.
We should also lower the driving limit to 13. Why are we taking away their rights to drive?
I am sure you have no problem with a 13 year old driving next to you in their Mustang or F1 car.

 

[BuckWild]

Canada has a magazine ban and a ban on FA weapons. I think that is acceptable. The US has neither of these things

20 dead school children from shooting spree
Canada=0
USA=1

Movie goers gun down
Canada=0
USA=1

President/Prime Minister gun downed
Canada=0 to my knowledge
USA= 3 off the top of my head

Off topic
Banking System collapse due to lacks and no regulations
Canada=0
USA=3

It seems Canada has a system that works for the majority.

 

[Motorcycle Mike]

Ban high capacity magazines, and the next lunatic shooter might just go in like this:
http://i.imgur.com/Cs3wwX3.jpg

 

[D23]

I am suggesting that if you have a crowd of people that are running away (we are talking about mass murder right?). It would take an extra 18 seconds (i don't care if your estimate is slow you were the one that gave it) to fire 100 rounds. I think that would logically result in less casualties when we are talking about mass violence.

You appear to be talking about 1 person, but I am talking about a crowd.

That's a collective 18 seconds.

From what I have studied no unarmed person (even a trained operator) gets up during gun fire so all these targets are there on the ground while I walk around systematically killing them. You still only have 2 seconds between mags.

I could argue that the full auto psychopath is going to do less damage with his erratic fire and 30 round mags vs. a pro who takes aimed shots, but it's reaching.

Also, what happens if it's multiple shooters and....... why would I be using limited magazines in the first place. Mass murder spree. I'm going to play fair?

Since I'm at around half retard right now.....

I'll re state.

I am all for Canadian gun laws. I'm not interested in hicap mags or CCW. I can accept the minor inconvenience for a greater good.

I would suggest the US does the same but since I am not American I won't pretend to understand their gun culture. It's different than ours.

I do believe there are certain weapons that serve no purpose other than to kill and they should be highly restricted but, that is a personal opinion and it's up to the US to figure that out for themselves.

Limiting magazines isn't a bad idea but it's not the solution. It's not as magical as you guys tend to think even though that way of thinking is trending. It couldn't hurt but you're fooling yourself by thinking mass shooters will use capped mags and your kidding yourself if you think the time it takes to drop a mag with gravity and feed another one will let you get more than 5 feet from where you started.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Ban high capacity magazines, and the next lunatic shooter might just go in like this:
http://i.imgur.com/Cs3wwX3.jpg

Or either:

1) Grind out the pin (5min work if you take your time)
or
2) Cut down the oversized follower (under 60min even for a totally non-technical person)

When psychos are willing to buy farms in order to buy explosive components in bulk, that's nothing for them and it's not like they'd care about firearm regs. Those of us that aren't gangbangers or mass murderers will get hindered in our lawful activities and the killers will just ignore the law and modify the "legal" magazines

 

[OpenGambit]

Limiting magazines isn't a bad idea but it's not the solution. It's not as magical as you guys tend to think even though that way of thinking is trending. It couldn't hurt but you're fooling yourself by thinking mass shooters will use capped mags and your kidding yourself if you think the time it takes to drop a mag with gravity and feed another one will let you get more than 5 feet from where you started.

I don't think at any point did I suggest it was a magical solution. So i am not "you guys".

 

[REDD77]

Now some shooting in Texas.

 

[AdRath]

I am all for Canadian gun laws. I'm not interested in hicap mags or CCW. I can accept the minor inconvenience for a greater good.

I would suggest the US does the same but since I am not American I won't pretend to understand their gun culture. It's different than ours.

I do believe there are certain weapons that serve no purpose other than to kill and they should be highly restricted but, that is a personal opinion and it's up to the US to figure that out for themselves.

Limiting magazines isn't a bad idea but it's not the solution. It's not as magical as you guys tend to think even though that way of thinking is trending. It couldn't hurt but you're fooling yourself by thinking mass shooters will use capped mags and your kidding yourself if you think the time it takes to drop a mag with gravity and feed another one will let you get more than 5 feet from where you started.

You pretty much summed up my stance but I guess having an American parent and lots of family in the states including a brother who was US military I see no problem with discussing our take on the issue or how we think it should be handled as I discuss it with them. For the most part they agree also.

I don't see the mag ban as a magical solution but a step in the right direction. The gun lobby is strong and seems to oppose all reasonable solutions despite a general feeling among Americans and NRA members that some level of gun control is needed. The paranoia and fear fanned by the pro gun lobby is very scary. Gun owners in the states are coming off as the least stable members of society. You are right it is a different culture. Having grown up in Canada I don't understand it and when asked most of my American friends and relatives can't answer my questions except to mention freedom and need to defeat the government and the 2nd amendment even though in no where is anyone proposing to ban the right to bare arms. just some arms as they already do have some arms restrictions. Not every idiot should be allowed to own a gun just as every idiot shouldn't drive. I am thankful when driving in the states that the right to drive wasn't an amendment and they weed out some bottom feeders.

 

[jc100]

People are correct when they say this won't deter those determined and callous enough to plan for such events but here we hope the services tasked with preventing these events see tell-tale signs and stop the trouble before it can begin. What these proposed changes do is prevent the spur-of-the-moment killer, the person that has "snapped" say, from doing more harm than they could prehaps do before. The changes are also small enough that it is a minor inconvenience for those who do lawfully own firearms.

As pointed out above though, the vocal gun nut lobby in the US is coming across as the people the majority would least like to see as an armed faction. I think the NRA are actually their own worst enemy.

 

[BNKN]

Not every idiot should be allowed to own a gun just as every idiot shouldn't drive. I am thankful when driving in the states that the right to drive wasn't an amendment and they weed out some bottom feeders.

As I was driving down the road I saw an SUV coming out the underground, blonde lady driving. I got that feeling you get. She whizzed past a long line of blue boxes right onto the street w/o looking. Of course I timed my drive such that we just missed and self rightously laid on the horn. Then I saw Texas plates. I laughed to myself, you'd want to be careful getting up into peoples faces if you were in Texas. Then it hit me: it's a woman, she wouldn't shoot me. They don't have that kind of interest in guns.
Hmmmm, what about GTAM? Do any wimmens even post in GTAM gun violence threads?

 

[Red_Liner740]

We must look to shining examples for guidance. Follow the best human nature has to offer. There's got to be a way to end this Mexican standoff. I'm hearing good things about Serbians. What would the typical sober Serb do? If I can find one I'll ask.

What would you like to ask me? I'm Serbian and dont drink....

 

[BNKN]

What would you like to ask me? I'm Serbian and dont drink....

How come there's so little gun violence, relatively speaking, in Serbia and how could we transfer that to North American culture?

 

[D23]

You pretty much summed up my stance but I guess having an American parent and lots of family in the states including a brother who was US military I see no problem with discussing our take on the issue or how we think it should be handled as I discuss it with them. For the most part they agree also.

I don't see the mag ban as a magical solution but a step in the right direction. The gun lobby is strong and seems to oppose all reasonable solutions despite a general feeling among Americans and NRA members that some level of gun control is needed. The paranoia and fear fanned by the pro gun lobby is very scary. Gun owners in the states are coming off as the least stable members of society. You are right it is a different culture. Having grown up in Canada I don't understand it and when asked most of my American friends and relatives can't answer my questions except to mention freedom and need to defeat the government and the 2nd amendment even though in no where is anyone proposing to ban the right to bare arms. just some arms as they already do have some arms restrictions. Not every idiot should be allowed to own a gun just as every idiot shouldn't drive. I am thankful when driving in the states that the right to drive wasn't an amendment and they weed out some bottom feeders.

One idea is every State becomes California in it's gun laws.

I think the split States do nothing and kill any chance of a solution.

How do you tell Michigan that though....

 

[Red_Liner740]

All males up to a few years ago were required to serve in the military.
It gets some of the aggression out of hormonal teens and builds community and comradery. You dont get to be a home shut-in with zero people skills which then snaps and goes on a killing spree.
Political correctness doesnt really exist there. You express how you feel and everyone yells and screams about it and vents in the open. Nobody bottles that crap up and then blows their top. I think thats the number one issue in todays western society.
This white washed, politically correct, not allowed to express your emotions, live-longer-and-prosper Vulcan state of mind that we as "civilized" people are supposed to have. Ya know what? people snap. The saying "he's just human" apparently only means that when someone makes a mistake, not when he shows his emotions. Then he's an animal...pfft.

Also, almost everyone in Serbia is armed or has access to a firearm from a relative. Probably good 50% of homes have some form of a firearm. This ofcourse is the aftermath of a civil war and also Yugoslavia spent up until the mid 90's worrying about a takeover from both the soviet block and the nato pact. Non-alliance with either means you dont have an ally to fall back on. Hence EVERYONE was taught to use a firearm. I showed my mother my SKS and she knew how to disassemble it. She was taught to shot that same firearm back in the 70's.

Also its all about perception. In western civilization the media thrives on violence and shock value. This is why shootings are reported. In the end you get bombarded by so much that there's a feeling that its a huge problem. If you were to step back you'd realize it was/is as it ever was.

Imagine if every single car accident death was reported on the news. What kind of perception of driving dangers would there be? 32K death in 2011 according to US stats. The same fear mongering is used for air travel. ONE air crash and its news for a week, yet statitically its insignificant. You have better chance of slipping and dying on your walk to work than in an airline crash.

People seriously need to relax, step back from the media fed BS and realize that a. Life happens and Murphy's the king and b. There are evil deranged people who no amount of laws will deter from their goal of death and mayhem.

 

[crankcall]

Then I saw Texas plates. I laughed to myself, you'd want to be careful getting up into peoples faces if you were in Texas. Then it hit me: it's a woman, she wouldn't shoot me. They don't have that kind of interest in guns.

you amuse me, thanks for that, but if you have been to Texas or any other South Western State you'd know there are as many well armed
and capable women as men and since they are favored in the self defence laws they will shoot first. You may be over your head here.

They have Federal, State and city ordinances and they are all different. This is the biggest stumbling block.
Sherriffs are elected and hire deputies, staying elected is why they lean NRA in some areas, State police (troopers) are responsible to an elected official, staying in office is a popularity contest.
The Sherriff depts that wrote letters saying they would defend the 2nd ammendmant and arrest Federal officers that may attempt to enforce a change? that may be the biggest propaganda campaign since the "commies were attacking from within"

Anybody know that there are actually LESS guns in American high schools and grade schools now than in the past? It's a while now but a lot of schools had a rifle club and girls marksmanship teams. Gun culture will change very slowly and be very resistant in a lot of communities. Federal legislation will be the only way to make it stick, law that supersedes State and County rules. Gun clubs and sporting shooters are actually getting behind some legislation in America, it may be a bandaid on a chest wound, but at least they are looking at first aid.

 

[BNKN]

but if you have been to Texas or any other South Western State you'd know there are as many well armed
and capable women as men and since they are favored in the self defence laws they will shoot first. You may be over your head here.

I have some experience with this. No matter what I say to my neighbour, by way of conversation starter, he will point out that the exact opposite is also true. It's uncanny.
I don't wish to go off on a weird tangent but I cannot for the life of me recall, ever, a woman mass shooter. Is there something to learn here?

 

[BNKN]

All males up to a few years ago were required to serve in the military.
It gets some of the aggression out of hormonal teens and builds community and comradery. You dont get to be a home shut-in with zero people skills which then snaps and goes on a killing spree.
Political correctness doesnt really exist there. You express how you feel and everyone yells and screams about it and vents in the open. Nobody bottles that crap up and then blows their top. I think thats the number one issue in todays western society.
This white washed, politically correct, not allowed to express your emotions, live-longer-and-prosper Vulcan state of mind that we as "civilized" people are supposed to have. Ya know what? people snap. The saying "he's just human" apparently only means that when someone makes a mistake, not when he shows his emotions. Then he's an animal...pfft.

Also, almost everyone in Serbia is armed or has access to a firearm from a relative. Probably good 50% of homes have some form of a firearm. This ofcourse is the aftermath of a civil war and also Yugoslavia spent up until the mid 90's worrying about a takeover from both the soviet block and the nato pact. Non-alliance with either means you dont have an ally to fall back on. Hence EVERYONE was taught to use a firearm. I showed my mother my SKS and she knew how to disassemble it. She was taught to shot that same firearm back in the 70's.

Also its all about perception. In western civilization the media thrives on violence and shock value. This is why shootings are reported. In the end you get bombarded by so much that there's a feeling that its a huge problem. If you were to step back you'd realize it was/is as it ever was.

Imagine if every single car accident death was reported on the news. What kind of perception of driving dangers would there be? 32K death in 2011 according to US stats. The same fear mongering is used for air travel. ONE air crash and its news for a week, yet statitically its insignificant. You have better chance of slipping and dying on your walk to work than in an airline crash.

People seriously need to relax, step back from the media fed BS and realize that a. Life happens and Murphy's the king and b. There are evil deranged people who no amount of laws will deter from their goal of death and mayhem.

You are so right. It is in fact political correctness and humourless mods that prevent me from saying exactly whats on my mind.

 

[crankcall]

I have some experience with this. No matter what I say to my neighbour, by way of conversation starter, he will point out that the exact opposite is also true. It's uncanny.
I don't wish to go off on a weird tangent but I cannot for the life of me recall, ever, a woman mass shooter. Is there something to learn here?

There is probably some FBI profilers working on that, out of the last 62 "mass shootings" in the US only one was female. They favor drownings and poison and historically try and get away with it unlike volume male shooters. Must be something to understand in there.

 

[BNKN]

There is probably some FBI profilers working on that, out of the last 62 "mass shootings" in the US only one was female. They favor drownings and poison and historically try and get away with it unlike volume male shooters. Must be something to understand in there.

Prolly just be a dead end. We should concentrate on mag capacity. Ya, thats it, mag capacity and well behaved forners.

 

[mmmnaked]

That's a collective 18 seconds.

From what I have studied no unarmed person (even a trained operator) gets up during gun fire so all these targets are there on the ground while I walk around systematically killing them. You still only have 2 seconds between mags.

I could argue that the full auto psychopath is going to do less damage with his erratic fire and 30 round mags vs. a pro who takes aimed shots, but it's reaching.

Also, what happens if it's multiple shooters and....... why would I be using limited magazines in the first place. Mass murder spree. I'm going to play fair?

Since I'm at around half retard right now.....

I'll re state.

I am all for Canadian gun laws. I'm not interested in hicap mags or CCW. I can accept the minor inconvenience for a greater good.

I would suggest the US does the same but since I am not American I won't pretend to understand their gun culture. It's different than ours.

I do believe there are certain weapons that serve no purpose other than to kill and they should be highly restricted but, that is a personal opinion and it's up to the US to figure that out for themselves.

Limiting magazines isn't a bad idea but it's not the solution. It's not as magical as you guys tend to think even though that way of thinking is trending. It couldn't hurt but you're fooling yourself by thinking mass shooters will use capped mags and your kidding yourself if you think the time it takes to drop a mag with gravity and feed another one will let you get more than 5 feet from where you started.

You've managed to point out the complete idiocy of legislating magazine limits, while in the same post confirming that you're in favour of such limits.


A walking, talking contradiction. There's no "greater good" in limiting magazine capacity, because the bad guys wouldn't be affected by it one bit.

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