That's a lengthy discourse. I started down that path last month and everybody seemed to lose interest. I'm not going to talk to a wall.
However I'm happy to offer clarity where there may be confusion as the discussion unfolds.
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That's a lengthy discourse. I started down that path last month and everybody seemed to lose interest. I'm not going to talk to a wall.
However I'm happy to offer clarity where there may be confusion as the discussion unfolds.
All evidence and reasoning indicates that unbounded gun free zones don't work. That would explain patterns such as you see in cities like Chicago and Washington.
I would imagine so, since crimes have been decreasing steadily everywhere. But that really doesn't tell us anything about anything.
I'm not defending crazies & criminals, I'm defending responsible, legal firearm owners.
I'm laughing at a "band-aid" solution to a major problem
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You don't think that background checks without ridiculous loopholes isn't a useful part of a comprehensive solution? How does a background check affect responsible legal firearms owners?
at no point did I suggest that it was a band aid solution or that it would solve all the problems. My issue is that people like you have no clue what the actual laws are or what actual enforcement is like and rally against imaginary bans and imaginary restrictions.
the current rules clearly allow crazies and criminals to get guns, because there is no enforcement against it. And its the current rules you are supporting. Anyone can put 2 and 2 together on that.
even d23 and medic supported gun control in the Canadian form, that is a far cry from supporting the US form.
at no point did I suggest that it was a band aid solution or that it would solve all the problems. My issue is that people like you have no clue what the actual laws are or what actual enforcement is like and rally against imaginary bans and imaginary restrictions.
the current rules clearly allow crazies and criminals to get guns, because there is no enforcement against it. And its the current rules you are supporting. Anyone can put 2 and 2 together on that.
even d23 and medic supported gun control in the Canadian form, that is a far cry from supporting the US form.
I think you're missing the whole point of the argument, or you're just trying to bend my arm and put words in my mouth.
I spoke about Mexico's laws on guns and Obama's Assault weapon band, where are you getting this argument about background checks and crap?
I felt like my IQ just dropped by 10 arguing with you
sheesh
I spoke about Mexico's laws on guns and Obama's Assault weapon band, where are you getting this argument about background checks and crap?
I felt like my IQ just dropped by 10 arguing with you
sheesh
Does he play bass in that?
help the clueless guy out, which action sport gets inconvenienced by a 10 shot mag?
rapid fire pistol, no thats 2 sets of 5 shots. Pins, no thats revolvers and up to three speedloaders, autos get three mags on the table. Cowboy? no thats lever carbines and revolvers, Mounted cowboy? nope, revolvers and levers again. Combat action? nope you get mags and speedloads.
Biathalon, nope thats been limited to .22 since 1978 and 5 rd mags unless your in the relay. I miss skiing biatholon, knees are done, we had .303 and sporterized enfields, the Americans used mostly 30-06. All the Euros had some crazy nato caliber 7.6something and FN rifles that were exceptionally more accurate.
Not seeing an issue, what am I missing?
rapid fire pistol, no thats 2 sets of 5 shots. Pins, no thats revolvers and up to three speedloaders, autos get three mags on the table. Cowboy? no thats lever carbines and revolvers, Mounted cowboy? nope, revolvers and levers again. Combat action? nope you get mags and speedloads.
Biathalon, nope thats been limited to .22 since 1978 and 5 rd mags unless your in the relay. I miss skiing biatholon, knees are done, we had .303 and sporterized enfields, the Americans used mostly 30-06. All the Euros had some crazy nato caliber 7.6something and FN rifles that were exceptionally more accurate.
Not seeing an issue, what am I missing?
Most revolvers are "six shooters" , its a cylinder that holds 6 rounds. They have catagories at some events for single action, you cock the firearm with your thumb then pull the trigger, and double action, it will self cock when you pull the trigger and then fire. In a full cowboy action match you'll see handguns, lever action rifles and a shotgun event, both pump and doublegun, usually a coach style double the short barrel stuff the guy riding on the stagecoach carried. They used winchester pumps but norinco makes a gun that looks exactly like a winchester from the turn of the century so that is showing up more. Costumes count as well.
My wife has a house in Prescott Arizona, home of the worlds oldest rodeo and home to the state that has more gun shops than shoe stores. Few real cowboys carry a sidearm anymore, and yes there are real cowboys riding around on 20,000 acre spreads. There are a lot of loosely organized shooting competitions around the rodeo.
And yes I have worked roundups, and no its not like Brokeback Mountain.........
My wife has a house in Prescott Arizona, home of the worlds oldest rodeo and home to the state that has more gun shops than shoe stores. Few real cowboys carry a sidearm anymore, and yes there are real cowboys riding around on 20,000 acre spreads. There are a lot of loosely organized shooting competitions around the rodeo.
And yes I have worked roundups, and no its not like Brokeback Mountain.........
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I dont know where this whole "USA has no background checks thing is coming from...."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
there you go. Every firearm purchase from an FFL has to be first verified with NICS. IS that not a background check?
Purchasing a firearm with an intent to sell to someone else is already illegal, so putting up more laws wont stop anyone.
In the end, a determined criminal will use any and all means to gain an upper hand. Just look at the extend that Columbian Drug Cartels have gone to in an effort to smuggle drugs into US. Frigging submarines!
I have a VERY good cartoon for you.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
there you go. Every firearm purchase from an FFL has to be first verified with NICS. IS that not a background check?
Purchasing a firearm with an intent to sell to someone else is already illegal, so putting up more laws wont stop anyone.
In the end, a determined criminal will use any and all means to gain an upper hand. Just look at the extend that Columbian Drug Cartels have gone to in an effort to smuggle drugs into US. Frigging submarines!
I have a VERY good cartoon for you.
I dont know where this whole "USA has no background checks thing is coming from...."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
there you go. Every firearm purchase from an FFL has to be first verified with NICS. IS that not a background check?
Purchasing a firearm with an intent to sell to someone else is already illegal, so putting up more laws wont stop anyone.
In the end, a determined criminal will use any and all means to gain an upper hand. Just look at the extend that Columbian Drug Cartels have gone to in an effort to smuggle drugs into US. Frigging submarines!
I have a VERY good cartoon for you.
The issue is that background checks aren't required at gun shows. I'm not sure where online ordering lays but I would guess there are no background checks just like gun shows. These loop holes need to be closed and I haven't heard a single solid argument against it except to automatically go into arguing the government can't ban ALL weapons which is something no one is suggesting and isn't on the books.
That cartoon is funny but can you name a singe mass killing by Stabbing, Batting, or Strangling? That is the issue. and that is why high capacity mags have no legit purpose in civilian hands.
Anyone else read about the shootings at the 'National Gun appreciation day' gun shows? You can't write this stuff. Not everyone should handle a firearm just as not everyone to drive.
No, but I maintain all of my firearms and equipment at home and if you don't think that mags ever need servicing, you're WAY off buster. That doesn't even begin to answer the question how a 1700 member range will maintain storage facilities for each and every action shooter and make it easily accessible at any time for training and competition. Some ranges are unattended most of the year, outdoor, gated access, members pay a nominal fee for maintenance and drop in at all times. Do they all of a sudden have to maintain 24/7 staff?
And what's to prevent a psychoid from unneutering a legal mag in 5min to 1hr? As a law-abiding citizen, my mags all meet (but don't exceeed
) the legal capacity requirements for the firearms they were manufactured to be used in. But I'm not planning any shooting sprees. Psychoids who do are willing to to any lengths to facilitate their destruction. There was a case where one bought some land and built a farm just so he could get enough fertilizer to build an IED that killed a bunch of people.I see that your extensive knowledge of action shooting is coming from the 1800's. Here's one example from this century:
[video=youtube;JcFGHx-aSHY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcFGHx-aSHY[/video]
I will eventually get into IPSC rifle and also hit up some 3 gun events. Currently, I'd be limited to 10 rounds per mag by violating the spirit (but not the letter) of the law that was written with intent to limit centerfire semi-auto rifle mags to 5 rounds.
Red_Liner740
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Online firearm purchases must be shipped to a valid FFL, which before handing the firearm over to you, runs a background check.
And quit with this "high capacity" BS. STANDARD capacity magazine for an ar-15 is 30 rounds. LOW capacity are 20 and 10.
What i love is people who have never handled a firearm, havent a frigging clue how an AR-15 even ejects or loads a magazine are telling me how a 30 round vs 10 round is gonna save lives...
I bet you more lives would be saved by mandating winter tires in ONTARIO alone than ALL the "Mass" shooting combined.
In the end, 383 death in entire united states were comited with ANY and ALL sorts of rifles, which includes AR-15 and other "assault" weapons.
The anti's are pissing up a wrong tree if they go after a statistically insignificant number such as that in an attemp to "save lives"
And quit with this "high capacity" BS. STANDARD capacity magazine for an ar-15 is 30 rounds. LOW capacity are 20 and 10.
What i love is people who have never handled a firearm, havent a frigging clue how an AR-15 even ejects or loads a magazine are telling me how a 30 round vs 10 round is gonna save lives...
I bet you more lives would be saved by mandating winter tires in ONTARIO alone than ALL the "Mass" shooting combined.
In the end, 383 death in entire united states were comited with ANY and ALL sorts of rifles, which includes AR-15 and other "assault" weapons.
The anti's are pissing up a wrong tree if they go after a statistically insignificant number such as that in an attemp to "save lives"
I bet more people die per year in drunk driving than firearm related crimes.
If we ban alcohol do u know how much lives we can save?
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Could you provide your source for this?
It's hard to drink and drive a car through a movie theater and through a school.
It might be doable and you might injure and kill a handful of people as the others will scurry out of the way.
I am quite sure your vehicle will get stuck and for certain not make it up to the second floor.
People seem to like comparing and assuming this is a 1 to 1 correlation.
The problem is you have weapons where 1 person can fire 100 bullets or more in less than a minute.
It becomes a 1 to many and that there in lies the problem that 1 gun can kill 50 people easily at any given moment.
It is unlikely that my car can carry 50 people or that 1 bus load of 50 people crashes and dies every day.
your video is from a competition in Norway......, I'm pleased we have events like that. I note that you said you'd be currently be limited to 10rds per mag? Is this a Canadian law or a regulation for that sport in Canada? I'm not familiar with the event.
Yes, it is from Norway. Their gun laws are on the par with ours, but they don't have to deal with neutered reduced-capacity mags. Here in Canada, by law, magazines for center-fire semi-automatic rifles are limited to 5 rounds and magazines for all handguns to 10 rounds of ammunition of the caliber that the firearm was designed to shoot. There are pistols that shoot the same caliber and can use the same mags as some rifles, so people who own those rifles can legally use the magazines for those pistols, thus doubling their capacity to 10 rounds. 10 rounds is still crap and interrupts the shooting in order to reload a lot more, thus breaking the shooter's rhythm, which sucks in a timed event. Because of that and because of the fact that neutered magazines can be brought back to normal capacity (what the antis would refer to as "high capacity") in very little time, with no technical skills, the only thing that neutering magazines does is inconvenience the law-abiding sports shooter without making our streets/schools/tanning salons any safer if a career criminal or crazed psychoid decides he has an ax to grind.
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