It's a panic reaction. Fear sells. Realistically, they have more of a chance of getting run over by a car or choking on their food than getting shot by a crazed wacko-Jacko who didn't get enough love from his mummy (or got a little too much).
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It's a panic reaction. Fear sells. Realistically, they have more of a chance of getting run over by a car or choking on their food than getting shot by a crazed wacko-Jacko who didn't get enough love from his mummy (or got a little too much).
Also the sales of guns and home security skyrocketed after 9/11 too, Fear sells and businessmen know that.
Also now you have copycat guys that should be locked up for peoples safety but they let go free because his threats weren't directly at anyone.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/08/sandy...at-shooter-kyle-bangayan-guns-arrest-threats/
rmemedic
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Actually, if someone wants a backpack that can stop bullets and for some reason they were banned I would feel the exact same way about that as I feel about a complete ban on guns... Takes away people's ability to defend themselves. So thanks for being a smart *** and proving my point.
rmemedic
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There are people that want to see all guns banned, and I worry that if too much momentum gets put in to this that the hunting weapons I now have (12 gauge auto loader and a bolt action rifle) will be taken.
They need a clear and decisive deffinition of what an assault rifle is, based on function of the firing mechanism, barrel and stock lengths and magazine capability.
If (as in the case of AR styled guns) it shares the same body work of an assault rifle, but is limited to semi-auto and a limited magazine, and meets minimum lengths then it shouldn't be classed as an assault rifle despite how scary it looks.
So far, from the things I've read, is positive steps for gun control in the states. They need to tread lightly but what I've heard is grandfathering what people currently own but preventing the selling, trading and purchasing of the items that they deem in appropriate, and deciding what is or isn't appropriate is what should take a while to sort out.
This is why, right now, gun, ammo and high capacity mag sales are so insane in the states.
OpenGambit
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Like who? That is a totally irrational fear. Name one person with any power that is talking about a total gun ban.
Its pretty straw-man like to argue against something that no one here has even suggested, it bascially stifles reasonable discourse when everything is about extreme positions that aren't going to happen.
I would also point out that "self defense" isn't a valid reason to own a PAL in Canada, you wouldn't get one if you wrote that down, so I assume you were dishonest when applied.
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Attack of the Killer Backpacks... coming to a theatre near you Aug 12!
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That smart*** post you respond to in all sincerity as opposed other winners I've put up proves a point I didn't want to come too. You seem like a nice guy, like Joe down at the donut shop. He means well but....
rmemedic
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Self defense isn't why I own... I'm capable just fine to manage an intruder in my home with my two hands. I've never said that I own for the sole reason of self defense. And my first reaction likely wouldn't be running down to my gun cabinet unless I had full reason to believe I had someone armed trying to get in... I'm not trigger happy, and I know that from my own professional experiences.
The reason I own is for sport shooting and hunting and that is what went down on my PAL. So no, I didn't lie in any sense of the manner.
I don't think anyone in power would be stupid enough to try and pass a law such as a total ban, but there are portions of the general population that want to see every single fire arm illegal and that's what I worry about.
I've said it and repeated it so many times on here. I'm all for gun control... But appropriate, rational control. Honestly, I love the system we currently have here in Canada. I'm capable of getting my guns around to the places I need to take them, and I'm allowed to use them in the manner I want to without too much of any interruption. Ultimately, I would like to see something very similar in the states, as I think it's a little bit overboard for people to own certain types of weapons.
I've watched that TV show "sons of guns" a couple times and most of the crap they have on there serves no legit purpose, like the 4 50cal machine guns all mounted together on an anti-aircraft style set up... How that could ever be legal is beyond me. Cool? Sure, to guys like me it is cool, but as for there being a legit purpose to it? I don't see it.
rmemedic
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But what?
The point I'm making is that a bullet proof back pack is just an object. A firearm is just an object. I have two of them 10 feet from me right now and there is no chance that anything bad will happen.
People who legally own and follow the laws are not the issue, and guns don't have minds of their own. Sure, some joe blow in his home might one day possibly need to use his legally owned fire arms as self defense, just as some day some school kid might need to cower down behind a piece of kevlar. What makes it right to take away someone's ability to protect themselves?
And FYI, one bullet would likely rip that back pack out of a persons hands, rendering it a useless piece of kit. The next round would likely make it's mark.
OpenGambit
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There are segments of the population that think a bunch of asinine things, do you worry about them all?
Again, totally irrational fear.
instead, you are here arguing against a position that no one here has taken, no politician has taken, and has never been on the table. At best you are preaching to the choir, but I think you just like to make up an imaginary enemy to argue against.
OpenGambit
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You just said that a ban on guns is a removal of the ability to defend yourself, if you honestly thought that it was all about sport shooting and hunting, then you would have said that a ban on guns is the removal of the abilty to sport shoot and hunt.
It would be both.
Illinois Senate President John Cullerton tried to introduce a bill to ban ALL firearms from his State on Wed. All semi-automatic rifles, All lever guns, All shotguns and All handguns.
Oh and, close All shooting ranges. The equivalent of closing all Motorsport tracks to prevent street racing.
Shall we take a short recess while you sort your facts or.....?
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OpenGambit
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Were we talking about Canada? Ever?
I think you weren't very clear with what you said earlier but now that you have clarified. Cool.
And I would bet the same as you. It's something that won't happen here (we would have imitated the British gun ban as our law is pretty much based on theirs) and even in the US.
Just like the idea that meds like Prozac have been found in almost every American spree shooters body won't be adressed either....
What makes an assault rifle? The pistol grip? The plastic stock and fore grip? Full automatic (repeating fire with out pulling the trigger over and over) is already banned. The gun used in the attack that caused the restriction of "assault riffles" did not have any of these features (Marc lepine? used a mini 14, a "ranch gun" used mainly for hunting pests like coyotes and raccoons). Functionally many "assault rifles" on the restricted list are functionally no different than regular "hunting" rifles. They just look scary to some people.
I wouldn't get too excited, the side effect list is a legal "get out of jail free card" for the pharms companies. It lists any tiny effect seen during the clinical trials.
As for the prozac in the system....the drug is overprescribed and also it is a little unique to the american system as there the problem is much worse due to their healthcare system (tons of people take it that probably don't even need it). Still could be a contributing factor..I hope they also looked at Ritalin though...which is also overprescribed.
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