invictus43
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And what knowledge of structures do you have? Metallurgy? Or are you just believing what other people are writing?
September 11
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And what knowledge of structures do you have? Metallurgy? Or are you just believing what other people are writing?
Shaman
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Funny you ask, I at one point was a papered machinist. And I took two full semester courses on metallurgy.
But I also use common sense. Anyone who has played with a fire or used a kerosene lantern ought to know that a smothered kerosene fire won't burn very hot - and thick black smoke is an indicator of a low-heat, smouldering fire. Even a very well-built kerosene flame won't affect steel much, otherwise Coleman wouldn't be selling any stoves...
If we're supposed to be "getting a real job" and "not talking" and "being respectful," then you're in the wrong place.
But I also use common sense. Anyone who has played with a fire or used a kerosene lantern ought to know that a smothered kerosene fire won't burn very hot - and thick black smoke is an indicator of a low-heat, smouldering fire. Even a very well-built kerosene flame won't affect steel much, otherwise Coleman wouldn't be selling any stoves...
If we're supposed to be "getting a real job" and "not talking" and "being respectful," then you're in the wrong place.
OpenGambit
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I was talking to the youtube educated guy but if you want to lump yourself in with that by all means.
OpenGambit
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I quoted Blue Kawi. but you responded to my words. So yeah I don't know how I could be more clear that I wasn't referring to you other than quoting someone else.
OpenGambit
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I am referring to this "If we're supposed to be "getting a real job" and "not talking" and "being respectful," then you're in the wrong place."
I didn't realize that September 11 was about playing, winning or losing.
But my point is simply that calling people a bunch of idiots or belittling the event is disrespectful and if people can't make a point without doing either of those 2 things than maybe they aren't worth listening to. Insulting me personally doesn't make your point any better.
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Shaman
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Right back at you, slick.
I was pretty certain the thread would be exactly like this ...
OpenGambit
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Honestly, I don't know what you are reading. But I find it incredulous that you can take offence to comments that were never directly at you, not quoting you, nor even insulting. I am not even sure you know what you are insulting me for.
Do you think its wrong that I told the people that said the illumanti did it to grow up? Because that should be pretty uncontentious.
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Shaman
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Still going on? Huh. OK, then rant at the illuminati conspiracies I guess, I won't stand in your way. Now if you want to argue that nobody but Bin Ladin had a stake in this, then we're at odds. Actually, we're at odds if you believe that Bin Ladin had anything to do with it... certainly the CIA and FBI didn't think so. Nor did Bush.
OpenGambit
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If you had a good point it was lost because you decided to go and insult someone that wasn't even talking to you to begin with.
Did you learn much about annealing temps and the effects of temperature on the yield stress of steel? Did you learn much about critical bucking loads on simple columns? Or about how yield stress relates to CBL? And in this case how temperature relates to CBL? How about the effects of stress concentrators? Did you ever learn about the failure modes of an external column structure?
I'm not even Civil and I know this stuff and I understand why the towers collapsed the way they did.
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invictus43
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rbjeepthing
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I'm glad to see some people have a decent head on their shoulders still as for the others that's why VB offers an ignore list. You don't have to read their BS posts. The funny thing is most conspiracy theorists are more sheep like then the rest of society since they latch on to suggestions before forming their own opinions.
The fact is who really cares about who did it? I have a direct connection to the events of that day and it shames me to say more people know about "loose change" then they do about the innocent Canadians who died on that day.
Garnet (Ace) Bailey — The 53-year-old director of pro scouting for the National Hockey League's Los Angeles Kings was a native of Lloydminster, Sask. He was aboard United Airlines Flight 175 when it crashed into the World Trade Center's south tower. He was a veteran of 11 NHL seasons as a player with the Boston Bruins, the Detroit Red Wings, the St. Louis Blues and the Washington Capitals. He moved to the World Hockey Association for the 1978-79 season and joined the Edmonton Oilers where he was a linemate of teenage phenomenon Wayne Gretzky. Bailey ended his playing career in 1980 after he accumulated seven Stanley Cup rings and turned to coaching. He is survived by his wife, Katherine, and son, Todd. Katherine has started the Ace Bailey Children's Fund, which supports play centres and programs at the Tufts New England Medical Center in Boston.
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David Barkway — The 34-year-old executive with BMO Nesbitt Burns in Toronto was in the office of Cantor Fitzgerald on the 105th floor of the north tower. He sent an electronic message to his Toronto colleagues, saying, "We need help ... This is not a joke.'' Barkway was in New York with his wife, Cindy, for a three-day business trip just days after celebrating his birthday. After his death, the avid golfer nicknamed Barky was remembered by friends in Toronto as a bright and thoughtful leader who loved fine cigars, high-tech stereos and trips to the cottage. The couple has two young sons, one who was born in January 2002 and named David after his father. The David Barkway Memorial Scholarship in Economics was set up by the Department of Economics at Carleton University to honour his memory and life and is awarded to a high-achieving fourth year economics student.
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Ken Basnicki — The 48-year-old father of two was in the north tower attending a conference for BEA Systems, the software firm he worked for in Toronto. He was last heard from at 8:55 a.m. in a cellphone call to his mother from an office on the 106th floor. His wife, Maureen, a former flight attendant grounded in Germany at the time, said he had a boundless passion for golf, skiing, snowboarding and his Harley Davidson motorcycle. In the five years since her husband's death, Maureen has started the Canadian Coalition Against Terror and is lobbying for legislation that would allow Canadians to sue countries or groups that support terrorism.
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Jane Beatty — A native of Britain, Beatty, 53, lived in Ontario for more than 20 years before moving to the United States to work as a technical supervisor at Marsh and McLennan Cos. Inc. in the World Trade Center’s north tower. She worked on the 96th floor of the north tower and phoned her husband Bob just before the plane hit. Three weeks before she died, she celebrated her fifth anniversary of surviving breast cancer. She had two grown sons.
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Joseph Collison — Collison was born in Toronto in 1951 and moved to New York City more than 15 years ago. He was on the 102nd floor of the north tower, where he worked as a banruptcy clerk for Kidder, Peabody & Co., according to his sister-in-law, Janet Collison. He was buried in Mississauga next to his parents. At the time of his death, Collison, who was not married, was hoping to adopt a young boy in New York whom he cared for.
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Cynthia Connolly — Connolly, 40, transferred from insurance firm Aon Corp.'s Montreal offices to New York in 1999. She and her husband, Donald Poissant, married in 1998 and lived in Metuchen, N.J., with their Airedale-German shepherd, Shadow, and pet cat, Obi. People in her neighbourhood fondly remembered Connolly, four-foot-three, struggling to control her dog as they walked through the area. Her mother recalled her as "loving and caring,'' always showing a soft spot for stray animals who she would bring home when she was a child.
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Arron Dack — The 39-year-old father of two was known to his family and friends for his ability to succeed in anything he tried. Dack was born in England, but moved to Canada with his parents in 1970. The senior executive with Encompys was attending a conference in the north tower of the World Trade Center when the first plane hit. He called his wife Abigail Carter and calmly asked her to call 911 since he thought a small bomb had gone off. Carter, who lived in New Jersey at the time but has since moved to Seattle, started two support groups for widows. He is survived by two children, Olivia and Carter.
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Frank Joseph Doyle — The 39-year-old Detroit native was married to Kimmy Chedel of St. Adele, Que. He was an American citizen whose parents were from the Ottawa valley, and he had a home in Canada. The executive vice-president of Keefe, Bruyette and Woods left two children, Zoe and Garrett. Doyle, a gifted athlete who did a triathlon the summer before he died, was living in New Jersey and working on the 89th floor of the second tower. "He said, 'You have to promise me every day for the rest of their lives you'll tell Zoe and Garrett how much I love them, and I didn't realize that he was saying goodbye, he was just so brave and so strong,'" said Chedel. She created "Team Frank" in her husband’s honour — a collection of family and friends who participate in athletic events worldwide. Doyle’s friends from Bowdoin College also established a memorial scholarship in his name for outstanding athletes.
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Christine Egan — The 55-year-old Health Canada nurse epidemiologist from Winnipeg was visiting her younger brother's office on the 105th floor in the second tower of the World Trade Center. Friends and family said the woman with a beaming smile was one of the most energetic, fun-loving people they knew. Egan was raised in England and moved to Canada in the late 60s. She taught at the University of Manitoba and received a PhD in community health services. Egan also had a love of Canada's North, where she had practised as a nurse. A memorial scholarship was set up in her name at the University of Manitoba for promising Nunavut nursing students. Egan's partner Ellen Judd said she was "good, generous person who was full of vitality."
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Michael Egan — The 51-year-old lived in New Jersey and worked on the 105th floor of the World Trade Center at the insurance firm Aon Corp. The father of two boys moved to the New York area from Montreal in 1991 after immigrating to Canada to follow his sister Christine. She happened to be visiting him on Sept. 11 and was also killed in the attack. Michael spent much of his time introducing his son Matthew, who has Down syndrome, to various sports. His passion, his wife Anna has said, "was to make Matthew as happy as he could be."
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Albert Elmarry — The 30-year-old moved from Toronto to the United States in 1999 to work in computer support for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of one of the towers. He had worked for IBM Canada when in Toronto. Elmarry, a devoutly religious man who started each day with a prayer, met his wife, Irinie, on a visit to his native Egypt. Irinie gave birth to a daughter nearly six months after her husband was killed.
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Meredith Ewart and Peter Feidelberg — The Montreal couple moved to the United States in 1997 and married in March 2000. One month before they died, they returned to Montreal for a second wedding reception with family and friends. Ewart, 29, and Feidelberg, 34, lived in Hoboken, N.J., and both had offices on the 104th floor of the World Trade Center's south tower, where they worked at Aon Corp. At the time of the attacks, Meredith's father, Robert Ewart, frantically called hospitals and the police in New York and at one point thought Feidelberg had survived based on a false Internet report. Friends remembered Feidelberg for his adventurous and competitive spirit, and his athletic interests, which included basketball, mountain biking, scuba diving and running the 1998 New York City Marathon. Friends and coworkers say Ewart shared her husband's athletic pursuits and was always rife with stories of their outdoor adventures. They said they were in awe of Ewart's beauty and intelligence.
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Alexander Filipov — Filipov, 70, was born in Regina and lived in Concord, Mass. He was on American Airlines Flight 11 when it hit the World Trade Center, just days before his 44th anniversary. An electrical engineer with three sons, Filipov became a U.S. citizen in 1962. His widow, Loretta, said he never slowed down, trying bungee jumping at age 60 and carrying on with his favourite pastimes — golf, skiing and music.
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Ralph Gerhardt — The 34-year-old vice-president with Cantor Fitzgerald called his parents in Toronto, just after the first plane hit the north tower. "Something just happened at the WTC. We either got hit by a bomb or plane. I am OK. We are OK. I love you, but I have to go now. We are evacuating. Call you later,'' Gerhardt said in a message to his father, Hans. But no more calls came after his son said he was going to look for his girlfriend, who was also killed. His father described him as a very family-oriented man who was very close to his parents.
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Stuart Lee — Lee had returned a day before the attacks from his Korean homeland where he had taken his wife, Lynn Udbjorg, to show off his roots. He was vice-president of integrated services for DataSynapse, a technology company that serves the financial industry. The 30-year-old spent the last hour of his life e-mailing his company, trying to figure out how to get out of the building where he was attending a conference on the 106th floor. Lee, who grew up in Vancouver, loved travelling the globe with his wife, who described him as a romantic and someone known for his generosity to his friends and family.
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Mark Ludvigsen — The 32-year-old native of Rothesay, N.B., moved to the United States with his family at age seven. The avid rugby player graduated from Virginia’s College of William & Mary and worked as a bond broker at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods. He and his wife of three years, Maureen, lived in Manhattan. Ludvigsen was working on the 89th floor of the south tower, but managed to leave a message for his mother at 9 a.m. “Mother, now don’t you worry. I’m in the other tower. I’m fine and I’ll call you later,” he said.
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Bernard Mascarenhas — The 54-year-old native of Newmarket, Ont., worked for Marsh Canada, whose parent company, Marsh and McLennan Cos. Inc., had offices at the World Trade Center. The chief information officer for the company was on the 97th floor of the north tower as part of a five-day business trip to New York. Marsh had about 1,900 employees in the two towers; 295 were killed. Mascarenhas left behind his wife, Raynette, a son, Sven, and a daughter, Jaclyn.
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Colin McArthur — The 52-year-old Glasgow native moved to Toronto in 1977 to work as an insurance broker. He moved to Montreal in 1986 after marrying his wife, Brenda. McArthur became a Canadian citizen and worked as a deputy managing director at Aon Corp. The couple relocated to New York in 1997 where McArthur continued to work for the same company on the 104th floor of the South Tower. He was a keen golfer who loved the game, despite his dubious achievements on the course, according to his wife. She set up the Colin McArthur Postgraduate Scholarship at his alma mater, the University of Glasgow.
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Michael Pelletier — The 36-year-old commodities broker for TradeSpark, a division of trading firm Cantor Fitzgerald, was on the 105th floor of the north tower. He called his wife, Sophie, and told her he was trapped in the building and that he loved her. Pelletier’s Vancouver-based father refused to believe at first that his son, a strikingly handsome natural athlete who excelled at hockey, wouldn’t get out. “We were saying there’s gotta be a way, we know Mike, he’s a survivor, he’ll find some way out.” At the time of his death, he had a three-year-old daughter and one-year-old son.
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Donald Robson — A Toronto native, Robson, 52, had lived in the United States for 20 years. He was a partner and bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center. He and his wife, Kathy, had two sons, Geoff and Scott. He had been planning 24th wedding anniversary celebrations with his wife. “Then bang, it’s all over just like that,” she said from her Long Island home a year after the attacks. The friends Robson left behind described him as a “fun-loving guy who lit up every room that he entered.”
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Ruffino (Roy) Santos — Santos, 37, a native of Manila, moved to British Columbia with his family in the 1980s. He moved to New York in the late 1990s, where he worked for Guy Carpenter as a computer consultant. He was supposed to leave the 94th floor of the World Trade Center the week after he died to work for Accenture. His mother, Aurora, and her two other sons went to New York for the first anniversary. “I want to see Ground Zero to pray and bring some flowers and candles,” she said.
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Vladimir Tomasevic — A native of Yugoslavia, Tomasevic, 36, moved to Canada in 1994. He lived in Toronto with his wife, Tanja, and was vice-president of software development for Optus E-Business Solutions. He was on his first visit to New York and was attending a financial conference on 106th floor of World Trade Center’s north tower. “He was always there for anyone — that’s what we miss about him the most,” his wife has said. Tanja, who received a small amount of remains and a piece of shredded material from his pants, had urged the Canadian government to provide more support for the families of 9-11 victims.
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Chantal (Chanti) Vincelli — The 38-year-old former Montrealer worked as a marketing assistant at DataSynapse Inc. Vincelli moved to New York in the late 1990s and lived in Harlem with her cats. She was setting up a kiosk for a trade show on the 106th floor of the north tower. Her brother Anthony said the woman who dreamed of becoming a talk-show host “had charisma, she had wit.” The local grocer named her the Harlem Princess and the name stuck.
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Debbie Williams — Williams, 35, worked for international insurance company Aon Corp. for 15 years. She and her husband, Darren, moved to Hoboken, N.J., after being transferred to New York City by their employer. Williams, a Montreal native, gave birth to their only child six months after settling in Hoboken. A friend and neighbour set up the Debbie Williams Memorial Park Fund to install a new playground named after Williams at a Hudson County park.
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One other person has been identified as having very close ties to Canada.
LeRoy Homer — Homer, 36, was the co-pilot of United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania after being taken over by hijackers. Homer was an American citizen, but his wife Melodie was Canadian, having grown up in Hamilton. His family said Homer always wanted to be a pilot. He was just 15 when he started flight instruction in a Cessna 152. The couple, who lived in Marlton, N.J., have a young daughter. Homer served in the U.S. forces, serving in Desert Shield and Desert Storm, and later supporting operations in Somalia. He received many commendations during his military career. He joined United Airlines in May 1995 and received awards posthumously for his actions on board Flight 93. The LeRoy W. Homer Jr. Foundation was established to provide financial support and encouragement to young people who wish to pursue careers as professional pilots. It also promotes awareness about aviation careers to disadvantaged youth.
The fact is who really cares about who did it? I have a direct connection to the events of that day and it shames me to say more people know about "loose change" then they do about the innocent Canadians who died on that day.
Garnet (Ace) Bailey — The 53-year-old director of pro scouting for the National Hockey League's Los Angeles Kings was a native of Lloydminster, Sask. He was aboard United Airlines Flight 175 when it crashed into the World Trade Center's south tower. He was a veteran of 11 NHL seasons as a player with the Boston Bruins, the Detroit Red Wings, the St. Louis Blues and the Washington Capitals. He moved to the World Hockey Association for the 1978-79 season and joined the Edmonton Oilers where he was a linemate of teenage phenomenon Wayne Gretzky. Bailey ended his playing career in 1980 after he accumulated seven Stanley Cup rings and turned to coaching. He is survived by his wife, Katherine, and son, Todd. Katherine has started the Ace Bailey Children's Fund, which supports play centres and programs at the Tufts New England Medical Center in Boston.
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David Barkway — The 34-year-old executive with BMO Nesbitt Burns in Toronto was in the office of Cantor Fitzgerald on the 105th floor of the north tower. He sent an electronic message to his Toronto colleagues, saying, "We need help ... This is not a joke.'' Barkway was in New York with his wife, Cindy, for a three-day business trip just days after celebrating his birthday. After his death, the avid golfer nicknamed Barky was remembered by friends in Toronto as a bright and thoughtful leader who loved fine cigars, high-tech stereos and trips to the cottage. The couple has two young sons, one who was born in January 2002 and named David after his father. The David Barkway Memorial Scholarship in Economics was set up by the Department of Economics at Carleton University to honour his memory and life and is awarded to a high-achieving fourth year economics student.
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Ken Basnicki — The 48-year-old father of two was in the north tower attending a conference for BEA Systems, the software firm he worked for in Toronto. He was last heard from at 8:55 a.m. in a cellphone call to his mother from an office on the 106th floor. His wife, Maureen, a former flight attendant grounded in Germany at the time, said he had a boundless passion for golf, skiing, snowboarding and his Harley Davidson motorcycle. In the five years since her husband's death, Maureen has started the Canadian Coalition Against Terror and is lobbying for legislation that would allow Canadians to sue countries or groups that support terrorism.
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Jane Beatty — A native of Britain, Beatty, 53, lived in Ontario for more than 20 years before moving to the United States to work as a technical supervisor at Marsh and McLennan Cos. Inc. in the World Trade Center’s north tower. She worked on the 96th floor of the north tower and phoned her husband Bob just before the plane hit. Three weeks before she died, she celebrated her fifth anniversary of surviving breast cancer. She had two grown sons.
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Joseph Collison — Collison was born in Toronto in 1951 and moved to New York City more than 15 years ago. He was on the 102nd floor of the north tower, where he worked as a banruptcy clerk for Kidder, Peabody & Co., according to his sister-in-law, Janet Collison. He was buried in Mississauga next to his parents. At the time of his death, Collison, who was not married, was hoping to adopt a young boy in New York whom he cared for.
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Cynthia Connolly — Connolly, 40, transferred from insurance firm Aon Corp.'s Montreal offices to New York in 1999. She and her husband, Donald Poissant, married in 1998 and lived in Metuchen, N.J., with their Airedale-German shepherd, Shadow, and pet cat, Obi. People in her neighbourhood fondly remembered Connolly, four-foot-three, struggling to control her dog as they walked through the area. Her mother recalled her as "loving and caring,'' always showing a soft spot for stray animals who she would bring home when she was a child.
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Arron Dack — The 39-year-old father of two was known to his family and friends for his ability to succeed in anything he tried. Dack was born in England, but moved to Canada with his parents in 1970. The senior executive with Encompys was attending a conference in the north tower of the World Trade Center when the first plane hit. He called his wife Abigail Carter and calmly asked her to call 911 since he thought a small bomb had gone off. Carter, who lived in New Jersey at the time but has since moved to Seattle, started two support groups for widows. He is survived by two children, Olivia and Carter.
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Frank Joseph Doyle — The 39-year-old Detroit native was married to Kimmy Chedel of St. Adele, Que. He was an American citizen whose parents were from the Ottawa valley, and he had a home in Canada. The executive vice-president of Keefe, Bruyette and Woods left two children, Zoe and Garrett. Doyle, a gifted athlete who did a triathlon the summer before he died, was living in New Jersey and working on the 89th floor of the second tower. "He said, 'You have to promise me every day for the rest of their lives you'll tell Zoe and Garrett how much I love them, and I didn't realize that he was saying goodbye, he was just so brave and so strong,'" said Chedel. She created "Team Frank" in her husband’s honour — a collection of family and friends who participate in athletic events worldwide. Doyle’s friends from Bowdoin College also established a memorial scholarship in his name for outstanding athletes.
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Christine Egan — The 55-year-old Health Canada nurse epidemiologist from Winnipeg was visiting her younger brother's office on the 105th floor in the second tower of the World Trade Center. Friends and family said the woman with a beaming smile was one of the most energetic, fun-loving people they knew. Egan was raised in England and moved to Canada in the late 60s. She taught at the University of Manitoba and received a PhD in community health services. Egan also had a love of Canada's North, where she had practised as a nurse. A memorial scholarship was set up in her name at the University of Manitoba for promising Nunavut nursing students. Egan's partner Ellen Judd said she was "good, generous person who was full of vitality."
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Michael Egan — The 51-year-old lived in New Jersey and worked on the 105th floor of the World Trade Center at the insurance firm Aon Corp. The father of two boys moved to the New York area from Montreal in 1991 after immigrating to Canada to follow his sister Christine. She happened to be visiting him on Sept. 11 and was also killed in the attack. Michael spent much of his time introducing his son Matthew, who has Down syndrome, to various sports. His passion, his wife Anna has said, "was to make Matthew as happy as he could be."
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Albert Elmarry — The 30-year-old moved from Toronto to the United States in 1999 to work in computer support for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of one of the towers. He had worked for IBM Canada when in Toronto. Elmarry, a devoutly religious man who started each day with a prayer, met his wife, Irinie, on a visit to his native Egypt. Irinie gave birth to a daughter nearly six months after her husband was killed.
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Meredith Ewart and Peter Feidelberg — The Montreal couple moved to the United States in 1997 and married in March 2000. One month before they died, they returned to Montreal for a second wedding reception with family and friends. Ewart, 29, and Feidelberg, 34, lived in Hoboken, N.J., and both had offices on the 104th floor of the World Trade Center's south tower, where they worked at Aon Corp. At the time of the attacks, Meredith's father, Robert Ewart, frantically called hospitals and the police in New York and at one point thought Feidelberg had survived based on a false Internet report. Friends remembered Feidelberg for his adventurous and competitive spirit, and his athletic interests, which included basketball, mountain biking, scuba diving and running the 1998 New York City Marathon. Friends and coworkers say Ewart shared her husband's athletic pursuits and was always rife with stories of their outdoor adventures. They said they were in awe of Ewart's beauty and intelligence.
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Alexander Filipov — Filipov, 70, was born in Regina and lived in Concord, Mass. He was on American Airlines Flight 11 when it hit the World Trade Center, just days before his 44th anniversary. An electrical engineer with three sons, Filipov became a U.S. citizen in 1962. His widow, Loretta, said he never slowed down, trying bungee jumping at age 60 and carrying on with his favourite pastimes — golf, skiing and music.
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Ralph Gerhardt — The 34-year-old vice-president with Cantor Fitzgerald called his parents in Toronto, just after the first plane hit the north tower. "Something just happened at the WTC. We either got hit by a bomb or plane. I am OK. We are OK. I love you, but I have to go now. We are evacuating. Call you later,'' Gerhardt said in a message to his father, Hans. But no more calls came after his son said he was going to look for his girlfriend, who was also killed. His father described him as a very family-oriented man who was very close to his parents.
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Stuart Lee — Lee had returned a day before the attacks from his Korean homeland where he had taken his wife, Lynn Udbjorg, to show off his roots. He was vice-president of integrated services for DataSynapse, a technology company that serves the financial industry. The 30-year-old spent the last hour of his life e-mailing his company, trying to figure out how to get out of the building where he was attending a conference on the 106th floor. Lee, who grew up in Vancouver, loved travelling the globe with his wife, who described him as a romantic and someone known for his generosity to his friends and family.
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Mark Ludvigsen — The 32-year-old native of Rothesay, N.B., moved to the United States with his family at age seven. The avid rugby player graduated from Virginia’s College of William & Mary and worked as a bond broker at Keefe, Bruyette and Woods. He and his wife of three years, Maureen, lived in Manhattan. Ludvigsen was working on the 89th floor of the south tower, but managed to leave a message for his mother at 9 a.m. “Mother, now don’t you worry. I’m in the other tower. I’m fine and I’ll call you later,” he said.
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Bernard Mascarenhas — The 54-year-old native of Newmarket, Ont., worked for Marsh Canada, whose parent company, Marsh and McLennan Cos. Inc., had offices at the World Trade Center. The chief information officer for the company was on the 97th floor of the north tower as part of a five-day business trip to New York. Marsh had about 1,900 employees in the two towers; 295 were killed. Mascarenhas left behind his wife, Raynette, a son, Sven, and a daughter, Jaclyn.
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Colin McArthur — The 52-year-old Glasgow native moved to Toronto in 1977 to work as an insurance broker. He moved to Montreal in 1986 after marrying his wife, Brenda. McArthur became a Canadian citizen and worked as a deputy managing director at Aon Corp. The couple relocated to New York in 1997 where McArthur continued to work for the same company on the 104th floor of the South Tower. He was a keen golfer who loved the game, despite his dubious achievements on the course, according to his wife. She set up the Colin McArthur Postgraduate Scholarship at his alma mater, the University of Glasgow.
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Michael Pelletier — The 36-year-old commodities broker for TradeSpark, a division of trading firm Cantor Fitzgerald, was on the 105th floor of the north tower. He called his wife, Sophie, and told her he was trapped in the building and that he loved her. Pelletier’s Vancouver-based father refused to believe at first that his son, a strikingly handsome natural athlete who excelled at hockey, wouldn’t get out. “We were saying there’s gotta be a way, we know Mike, he’s a survivor, he’ll find some way out.” At the time of his death, he had a three-year-old daughter and one-year-old son.
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Donald Robson — A Toronto native, Robson, 52, had lived in the United States for 20 years. He was a partner and bond broker for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of the north tower of the World Trade Center. He and his wife, Kathy, had two sons, Geoff and Scott. He had been planning 24th wedding anniversary celebrations with his wife. “Then bang, it’s all over just like that,” she said from her Long Island home a year after the attacks. The friends Robson left behind described him as a “fun-loving guy who lit up every room that he entered.”
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Ruffino (Roy) Santos — Santos, 37, a native of Manila, moved to British Columbia with his family in the 1980s. He moved to New York in the late 1990s, where he worked for Guy Carpenter as a computer consultant. He was supposed to leave the 94th floor of the World Trade Center the week after he died to work for Accenture. His mother, Aurora, and her two other sons went to New York for the first anniversary. “I want to see Ground Zero to pray and bring some flowers and candles,” she said.
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Vladimir Tomasevic — A native of Yugoslavia, Tomasevic, 36, moved to Canada in 1994. He lived in Toronto with his wife, Tanja, and was vice-president of software development for Optus E-Business Solutions. He was on his first visit to New York and was attending a financial conference on 106th floor of World Trade Center’s north tower. “He was always there for anyone — that’s what we miss about him the most,” his wife has said. Tanja, who received a small amount of remains and a piece of shredded material from his pants, had urged the Canadian government to provide more support for the families of 9-11 victims.
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Chantal (Chanti) Vincelli — The 38-year-old former Montrealer worked as a marketing assistant at DataSynapse Inc. Vincelli moved to New York in the late 1990s and lived in Harlem with her cats. She was setting up a kiosk for a trade show on the 106th floor of the north tower. Her brother Anthony said the woman who dreamed of becoming a talk-show host “had charisma, she had wit.” The local grocer named her the Harlem Princess and the name stuck.
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Debbie Williams — Williams, 35, worked for international insurance company Aon Corp. for 15 years. She and her husband, Darren, moved to Hoboken, N.J., after being transferred to New York City by their employer. Williams, a Montreal native, gave birth to their only child six months after settling in Hoboken. A friend and neighbour set up the Debbie Williams Memorial Park Fund to install a new playground named after Williams at a Hudson County park.
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One other person has been identified as having very close ties to Canada.
LeRoy Homer — Homer, 36, was the co-pilot of United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania after being taken over by hijackers. Homer was an American citizen, but his wife Melodie was Canadian, having grown up in Hamilton. His family said Homer always wanted to be a pilot. He was just 15 when he started flight instruction in a Cessna 152. The couple, who lived in Marlton, N.J., have a young daughter. Homer served in the U.S. forces, serving in Desert Shield and Desert Storm, and later supporting operations in Somalia. He received many commendations during his military career. He joined United Airlines in May 1995 and received awards posthumously for his actions on board Flight 93. The LeRoy W. Homer Jr. Foundation was established to provide financial support and encouragement to young people who wish to pursue careers as professional pilots. It also promotes awareness about aviation careers to disadvantaged youth.
What created the intense heat was the size of the flame. A large heat source would melt a chunk of steel a small heat of equal temps, not so much. Its like current and voltage. But u bring up valid points.
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"It demeans their memories by TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM." What an infantile assertion that is.
I repeat: the *least* credible explanation is the one that the U.S. government has offered. It has, in fact, not really offered one, just continues to parrot hypothesis as if it were fact, until backed into a corner. See this: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden The U.S. and its media giants continue - to this day - to implicate Bin Laden in the 9/11 events. Yet, they didn't accept him when he was offered on a silver platter by Pakistan. Now they say that they killed him, when a number of people said he had died some years ago - not least of which is the president of Pakistan, who (in 2007) "participated in an interview with David Frost on Al Jazeera, stating Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who is one of the men convicted of kidnapping and killing U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl."
Here's the problem: there's at least a few people in here making light of all this - without any research or knowledge of the events or followings. They're just parroting "OMG CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!!111!" like people didn't get thrown in jail every day for conspiracy, presumably because they think this somehow makes them smarter than the "tinfoil hatters" that have spent more than 5 minutes deliberating on the subject. Talking about and asking for more a comprehensive investigation into the events also DOES NOT DEMEAN the fallen, in fact most of the families have repeatedly asked that the investigation be re-opened. But again, if you had done no research, you wouldn't know that.
As far as the debunking911 site and its friends go... notice how they mock the AE911Truth folk? Does that say anything about the character of the people running the site, versus the professional documents, hearings etc. that the AE911Truth people have put together? How about the time to investigate that individuals in that organization have spent, and the methods they undertook to prove or disprove a number of the NIST theories? I guess you want this to be an OMG MY WEBSITE IS RIGHTER THAN YOUR WEBSITE kind of thing, but in the end, if it's religion that you're behind... there's no point in debating faith. I'm not saying either of them is all right or all wrong, but i damn sure am saying that there is nothing like an official explanation that holds water, or indicted anyone responsible.
OK, let's say that I bite. How come the whole buildings fell like they were made of wet curd? What ejected massive amounts of concrete and pieces of steel - from a place that was relatively lightly stressed versus the lower floors - hundreds of feet in the air - in many cases, straight up? How is it that WTC7 fell in 7 seconds from an office fire, and why did it not fail in the ares that it had been damaged, but instead - setting yet another new precedent on the same day of all these other new precedents - it fell into its own footprint in 7 seconds? These questions are not adequately answered by the official story (actually, an explanation for WTC7 isn't even attempted by the official story) and the answers in that debunking site are beyond weak for some of these questions.
The argument for the size of the flame... http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm
Someone with lots of time on their hands did that.
The short strokes (tl;dr): jet fuel burns at around 1400 degrees, steel melts at over 2500 degrees. You would need to add pure oxygen to the jet fuel (basically, as I've said, kerosene) to get the temperature high enough - air wouldn't do it, and the fire was heavily choked to begin with.
By the way, this is not the first time there was a fire in the building. The first time, they had a fire that spread to multiple floors (in 1975 or 1978? I forget) and the building didn't fall.... what's more, the engineers got busy and fixed the problem so it wouldn't happen again.
I repeat: the *least* credible explanation is the one that the U.S. government has offered. It has, in fact, not really offered one, just continues to parrot hypothesis as if it were fact, until backed into a corner. See this: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden The U.S. and its media giants continue - to this day - to implicate Bin Laden in the 9/11 events. Yet, they didn't accept him when he was offered on a silver platter by Pakistan. Now they say that they killed him, when a number of people said he had died some years ago - not least of which is the president of Pakistan, who (in 2007) "participated in an interview with David Frost on Al Jazeera, stating Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who is one of the men convicted of kidnapping and killing U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl."
Here's the problem: there's at least a few people in here making light of all this - without any research or knowledge of the events or followings. They're just parroting "OMG CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!!!111!" like people didn't get thrown in jail every day for conspiracy, presumably because they think this somehow makes them smarter than the "tinfoil hatters" that have spent more than 5 minutes deliberating on the subject. Talking about and asking for more a comprehensive investigation into the events also DOES NOT DEMEAN the fallen, in fact most of the families have repeatedly asked that the investigation be re-opened. But again, if you had done no research, you wouldn't know that.
As far as the debunking911 site and its friends go... notice how they mock the AE911Truth folk? Does that say anything about the character of the people running the site, versus the professional documents, hearings etc. that the AE911Truth people have put together? How about the time to investigate that individuals in that organization have spent, and the methods they undertook to prove or disprove a number of the NIST theories? I guess you want this to be an OMG MY WEBSITE IS RIGHTER THAN YOUR WEBSITE kind of thing, but in the end, if it's religion that you're behind... there's no point in debating faith. I'm not saying either of them is all right or all wrong, but i damn sure am saying that there is nothing like an official explanation that holds water, or indicted anyone responsible.
OK, let's say that I bite. How come the whole buildings fell like they were made of wet curd? What ejected massive amounts of concrete and pieces of steel - from a place that was relatively lightly stressed versus the lower floors - hundreds of feet in the air - in many cases, straight up? How is it that WTC7 fell in 7 seconds from an office fire, and why did it not fail in the ares that it had been damaged, but instead - setting yet another new precedent on the same day of all these other new precedents - it fell into its own footprint in 7 seconds? These questions are not adequately answered by the official story (actually, an explanation for WTC7 isn't even attempted by the official story) and the answers in that debunking site are beyond weak for some of these questions.
The argument for the size of the flame... http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm
Someone with lots of time on their hands did that.
The short strokes (tl;dr): jet fuel burns at around 1400 degrees, steel melts at over 2500 degrees. You would need to add pure oxygen to the jet fuel (basically, as I've said, kerosene) to get the temperature high enough - air wouldn't do it, and the fire was heavily choked to begin with.By the way, this is not the first time there was a fire in the building. The first time, they had a fire that spread to multiple floors (in 1975 or 1978? I forget) and the building didn't fall.... what's more, the engineers got busy and fixed the problem so it wouldn't happen again.
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