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Running from police.

It looks like some SS rider's have a plan from the get go that if they get lit up while out on ride that they are going to run for sure. Maybe thats why the cops can be over the top with the charges and maybe trump them up for guys on sport bikes. If I was a cop and most guys on sport bikes were running then I doubt I would be really easy going with the guys who didn't, not saying its right but I can see why they act the way they do.
 
Thw wording of 172 leaves so much open space for a troubled or ****** off cop to let some steam off on your shoulders that he might throw your bike into the brig becuase he doesnt like your accent. Its based on first hand observation at the scene so lets not kid ourselves about the powers that be. I can get pulled over for no reason and then find myself hailing a taxi because its POSSIBLE. Reason enough for me.

All this talk of abiding by the laws at hand is exactly the type of attitude that trades our freedoms away to the state. We should be questioning the policies that are being brought forth, not learning how to fight them because the house always wins.

I know we lost the 172 fight in the provincial system but I think the Supreme Court will have to have its ears open soon.
 
While I agree that the HTA172 wording leaves a lot of openings for vague interpretation, I think it is something to remember that MOST of the charges being laid under that section are for people who have been MEASURED at +50kmh. Travelling home from work on the 404 at night, you see someone almost every night getting hooked up to a tow truck, with an OPP right there with them. Unfortunately, if you are clocked by laser at those speeds (and OPP only uses laser now), you are caught, and you deserve the ticket.

That said, my good cop/bad cop stories:

BAD (OPP): cop hears a report of a "blue bike" weaving in and out of cars along the 401. It wasnt me, to be sure, but I matched that description, and was pulled over well after exiting the highway, by a Cambridge OPP coming from the opposite direction. Gave me an "improperly mounted plate" charge just because. The plate was clearly visible, and a police sergeant friend of mine confirmed so. The charge was dropped in the first hearing, but it was inconvenient to go to Cambridge for that.

Neutral cop (TPS): I had a bent license plate on my SV, so that the rear wheel wouldnt grab it. The cop pulled me over, instead of the car that was tailgating me (cop admitted to seeing that), and charged me with speeding. Problems: cop had no RADAR/Laser, no computers, and was following myself and the tailgater for no more than 100m (insufficient for a pace). He said that "all bikes with bent plates run". I responded that I didn't run, you cant outrun a radio. His response "oh and, uh, you were speeding. 80 in a, uh. 50 zone". So why is this turd neutral? He didn't show to court. Not much of an inconvenience, since it was around the corner from work.

Good Cop (York): Just after getting my 636, I launched it hard off the line at an intersection. Only just to the speed limit, but I then checked my mirrors, and saw the cherries behind me. I pulled over, and he waved me over to his window. It went like this:

YRP "know why I pulled you over?"
SP: "uh, I guess I took off a little fast there"
YRP "Yep, and if I didn't pull you over, then all these cars would think I wasn't doing my job."
SP: "sorry sir, its a new bike, just a couple weeks old, I was kind of excited."
YRP "I can see that. Did you take a course? If you had done your shoulder check before you left, you would have seen me right behind you. Any tickets I should know about?"
SP "One that is almost off my record, I've been being careful so that I can get cheaper insurance"
YRP "OK, well, no ticket for you today. But it is in the system. Dont expect leniency next time"
SP: "thank you sir. Can I ask a quick qustion? I have a court date coming up..." (at which point he told me how to get off the ticket!!

Good cop (OPP): Dodged the camera on the 407 @ QEW while following a cop at 140kmh. Got pulled over, followed with a "dont let me see you doing that again".

F'mn awesomely amazing cop (OPP): Pulled over for doing, um, really really fast, on the 407. Cop gave me a short lecture, then off with a verbal warning. Yeah, it was really REALLY fast, on my 636, and it was also the night that my only ticket ever was coming off my record. I went home very confused by the whole thing, and slowed down a bit from there.
 
Thw wording of 172 leaves so much open space for a troubled or ****** off cop to let some steam off on your shoulders that he might throw your bike into the brig becuase he doesnt like your accent. Its based on first hand observation at the scene so lets not kid ourselves about the powers that be. I can get pulled over for no reason and then find myself hailing a taxi because its POSSIBLE. Reason enough for me.

All this talk of abiding by the laws at hand is exactly the type of attitude that trades our freedoms away to the state. We should be questioning the policies that are being brought forth, not learning how to fight them because the house always wins.

I know we lost the 172 fight in the provincial system but I think the Supreme Court will have to have its ears open soon.

...and a cop could arrest you for any trumped up charge he wants if you're walking down the street, pull you into an alleyway and beat you with a nightstick for resisting arrest. However, the stories of super-trumped up charges for ANY misdemeanour are few and far between. The rumours are running riot though.

Common sense prevails.
 
I agree with JC100.

Anyways I would rather take a BS stunt charge then put someone's life at risk. There is no dollar value on that.
 
...and a cop could arrest you for any trumped up charge he wants if you're walking down the street, pull you into an alleyway and beat you with a nightstick for resisting arrest. However, the stories of super-trumped up charges for ANY misdemeanour are few and far between. The rumours are running riot though.

Common sense prevails.

what you forge to consider in your exaggerrations and what is no secret is that the police have an eye on riders, especially sport bikes. its one thing to (are you serious?) beat somebody up for nothing but to give em a ticket out of prejudice and sit back and know that they have to worry about it is a different matter all together.

Have you even been through a 172?
 
I find it odd that some ppl forget that they have rights too. even when you're riding.
I have not been charged under 172, but if I had to chose between that or pushing 200 in less than ideal conditions I'd choose life.
 
It looks like some SS rider's have a plan from the get go that if they get lit up while out on ride that they are going to run for sure. Maybe thats why the cops can be over the top with the charges and maybe trump them up for guys on sport bikes. If I was a cop and most guys on sport bikes were running then I doubt I would be really easy going with the guys who didn't, not saying its right but I can see why they act the way they do.

Don't assume it's only the SS riders who have ran. Don't assume you need anything bigger than a 250 to get away in the city either... Lots of places to hide in the dark.
 
Adri, I am not assuming it is only SS riders that run. I didn't assume you couldn't get a way on a smaller bike either. But give me a break if you think guys on cruisers or small cc bikes are running anywhere near as much as guys on supersports, most likely why the cops are out to get super sports.

BTW I used to own a DR-Z 400sm (see avatar) and currently have a GSX-R600 and if I was foolish enough to run I would rather be on the DR-Z anyday.
 
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Personally I don't think I would run but I'm all for avoiding getting pulled over. Saw a peel cop last week that wanted to pull me over, I was speeding a bit and I think he tried to make a U turn so I sped up and got the hell out of there before he did.
 
Personally I don't think I would run but I'm all for avoiding getting pulled over. Saw a peel cop last week that wanted to pull me over, I was speeding a bit and I think he tried to make a U turn so I sped up and got the hell out of there before he did.
That or slipping into the side streets is perfectly acceptable as long as he's not directly behind you with the cherries on. That saved me from a few tickets.
 
what you forge to consider in your exaggerrations and what is no secret is that the police have an eye on riders, especially sport bikes. its one thing to (are you serious?) beat somebody up for nothing but to give em a ticket out of prejudice and sit back and know that they have to worry about it is a different matter all together.

Have you even been through a 172?

Nope...nor my friends...nor anyone I know actually. But then again, I tend not to do daft things on the street as I actually want to keep my licence and have low insurance.
 
...and a cop could arrest you for any trumped up charge he wants if you're walking down the street, pull you into an alleyway and beat you with a nightstick for resisting arrest. However, the stories of super-trumped up charges for ANY misdemeanour are few and far between. The rumours are running riot though.

Common sense prevails.

Alright, I realize this is nearing dead horse status, but I'm going to apply some of this 'common sense' you keep speaking of. In specific, I will use your example.

Even if false accusation of traffic violations were as uncommon as random police brutality (which is not even close to true, but we will assume that it is,) here's the big, huge, GIGANTIC difference:

When a police officer injures any civilian, the SIU will investigate. Assume you are walking down the street with a clean record, no prior criminal charges, etc.. you get dragged into an alleyway and beaten on some trumped up charge, the SIU investigates because the circumstances are extremely suspicious!

In fact, even when the circumstances ARE NOT suspicious, the SIU often investigates. Case in point, a rider crashes and the OPP happen to be in the neighbourhood, they get investigated: http://newsdurhamregion.com/news/article/150880

Now, in the case of you getting beaten with a nightstick for no reason, what happens?

- SIU investigates, likely finds there is no reason for the attack or violence
- Officer is disciplined, possibly relieved of duty
- You will likely win compensation with a half-decent lawyer
- The media and general public will shame the police

Okay. Justice is preserved. You still got an asswuppin' you likely didn't deserve, but the law did its job and things should feel 'just'. To some degree.

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Now, let's go back to a rider. Let's make his accusation as improbable as the first situation - this rider gets falsely accused of street racing for simply accelerating slightly quickly (a trumped up charge.) He has no outstanding charges and a clean record.

Here's where the differences matter:

- The SIU will not investigate. Nobody will, except if you hire someone.
- There will be no compensation to falsely accused victims.
- The officer will not be disciplined, even if you are falsely accused.
- The media and general public, if they pay any attention at all, will shame the rider.


The bottom line is that when you give that amount of power to any law enforcement agency, there needs to be checks and balances. This is a tenet of modern free government. Where is the check/balance in some officer pulling you over and costing you $1k in impoundment fees, even if you are innocent?

Now, obviously you are going to say, "Well most of these people ARE guilty." That may be true. That does not mean you get to skip a step in the justice process simply because MOST people are guilty..! That's what the law is there for! To protect the innocent!
 
^ are you trying to say that if the rider complains about an unfounded charge, there will be no investigation at all?
 
^ are you trying to say that if the rider complains about an unfounded charge, there will be no investigation at all?

It's far, far less likely that an investigation would occur than an accusation of police brutality. There is no mandatory SIU involvement. Furthermore, it's far less likely that any investigation like that would be taken seriously.

Unfortunately I cannot find the article, perhaps someone else can, but there were accusations made against officers in Ontario last summer that they were laying trumped-up "Stunting" charges to seize vehicles and receive kickbacks from towing companies. I wonder how seriously that investigation was taken..?
 
It's far, far less likely that an investigation would occur than an accusation of police brutality. There is no mandatory SIU involvement. Furthermore, it's far less likely that any investigation like that would be taken seriously.

Unfortunately I cannot find the article, perhaps someone else can, but there were accusations made against officers in Ontario last summer that they were laying trumped-up "Stunting" charges to seize vehicles and receive kickbacks from towing companies. I wonder how seriously that investigation was taken..?

If it involved kickbacks it would have been taken very seriously.
 
^^ I can't find it either, but there was a thread on GTAM and I recall a cop got busted by cops. Point is that the cops don't want the bad apples either, and it's like any other work environment - cops more or less know which cop might be a dick.

So if you just make it up they won't pay you any attention but if you're the 5th guy in the door complaining about the same cop, you can be sure they will be all over it.
 

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