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Running from police.
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Tell that to David Milgaard
Ruben Carter
Steven Truscott
And the Latest winner of the Oops. Sorry. Wrong house! Sweepstakes, Robert Baltovich.
Good effort, though. I'll give you a C-
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I think he was implying that we all claim we're innocent of any wrong doing when clearly we've done at least something wrong to end up being pulled over whether it's trumped up or not. You can't whine or complain about being pulled over if you were legitimately doing something that warranted it. However go ahead and ***** and moan when the cop is having a bad day or the guy before you was a d-bag and now the cop is taking it out on you by trumping up charges or adding charges that although may be legit, are just to make your day worse.
Nimbus
Member
Most guys I know say they would book it in the event of a 172. Right or wrong.
Things to consider:
Stock crown vics pull 240 km/hr no problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsPnE4N0Fmo
Radios: The longer they're on you the lower your chances
It's easier to follow than it is to lead
Can't predict traffic/other drivers.
Psychological factor-Those lights and sirens can be unnerving.
Possibly die.
If caught the penalty is much harsher than if you pulled over.
There are others...feel free to add.
But, if you're a ghost rider in the making then go for it. Bonus points for recording it
"If caught the penalty is much harsher than if you pulled over."
These days one really has to ask. Is this TRUE? Given some of the recent abuses and the range of powers that have been given to police these days, the judge, jury and executioner at the road side before one even gets their day in court, I'm not so sure this is any longer applicable. It's now a crap shoot, you can be damned either way.
It's likely the reason for the growing but illegal use of license plate flip ups.
In my opinion the current state of affairs is indeed encouraging people to run that would, under less police state circumstances, have pulled over in the past. The penalties, to put it simply, no longer fit the crime. The system and it's minions are losing respect at a very rapid rate even among those that at one time held it. Bad apples can ruin the bunch, but regardless of which camp, both seem to have more than their fair share of them, breakers and enforcers.
For some guys who aren't swimming in cash and riding is HUGE in their life, if they get 172'ed, they are DONE with riding because of the costs and severe punishments.....in a sense, this is one of the worst things that can happen to them. To guys like that it doesn't really matter if you add a "evading police" charge or even jail time to the mix, the result is the same; their riding career on the street is DONE if they get caught. I think it's not hard to understand why people like this run.
And by extension all 172 chargees are innocent? Good one.
If something is precious to me I wouldn't get in the situation where it would be taken away in the first place.
If the joy of riding includes acting like an *** on the roads then you need to check your maturity level.
It's a bit like saying "the joy of being a pedestrian to me includes walking over the roofs of parked cars", then acting up when you're told that's not exactly good behaviour.
jotapeh
Active member
If your assumption is that the law is perfect and enforced correctly in every situation then you need to check your reality level.
I would assert that:
1) HTA 172 is poorly and vaguely worded, and
2) The act of violating HTA 172 as written does not necessarily mean the actions you are performing are a threat to the safety and security of either yourself nor the motorists around you beyond the normal level of risk involved in the activity of operating a motor vehicle, and
3) As the determination of what constitutes a violation, and therefore conviction, of HTA 172 depends on a single individual officer, it is easily interpreted and enforced completely differently upon similar individuals in similar situations, and
4) Even individuals completely acquitted of the violation are forced to pay a severe financial penalty in legal fees and to recover their vehicle from impoundment.
Given the above, the penalty for violation of HTA 172 is far too extreme for what is not a true criminal act. That is my personal view. Though I respect that some may see the law as completely reasonable as written, I would urge them to take another look, think critically and decide if they are truly comfortable with the power it gives the individual law enforcement officer, who is a human being subject to emotion and misjudgement the same as any other.
Perfectly aware of what the law COULD be applied to. Perhaps you need a reality check if you assume every time the law is applied it's because of someone standing on their pegs?
blackcamaro
Well-known member
jotapeh, it doesnt matter if a law isn't perfect or flat out flawed (I don't like HTA 172 or support) but at the end of the day it is a law therefore we must either choose to avoid activities where you break the law or be prepared to pay up. If you terrified of a false street racing charge and still want to ride buy a KLR650 or something and enjoy that. Not saying it's right just it is a terrible excuse for people running from the police. I ride a GSX-R 600 and yeah it bugs me that I might get popped for a small traffic violation/or nothing and have to face this charge, but I accept it for what it is.
Roasted, you say for guys that riding is there life and fear of the charges and the end of their riding career makes it easier to understand. What about the kid running across the street thats life gets cut short because some guy didnt want to stop for the cops? Is it still worth it?
Roasted, you say for guys that riding is there life and fear of the charges and the end of their riding career makes it easier to understand. What about the kid running across the street thats life gets cut short because some guy didnt want to stop for the cops? Is it still worth it?
jotapeh
Active member
I don't disagree with the fact that you must obey a law in order not to break it and suffer the consequences. That is logical, borderline tautological.
That doesn't instantly mean that it's an appropriate law, nor that violating HTA 172 is the equivalent of, in jc100's words.. "acting like an ***" and "walking over the roofs of parked cars"
I have had people drive by me at speeds violating HTA 172, I have also seen people accelerate quickly, these are not things that are inherently dangerous nor are they disruptive to the public peace unless performed in an unsafe manner. You, as an individual, have to know when speed and acceleration are inappropriate and dangerous.
The issue for me was never that you should be able to violate the law and not suffer consequences, but the moral 'superiority' of those who seem to think it is a good law.
That doesn't instantly mean that it's an appropriate law, nor that violating HTA 172 is the equivalent of, in jc100's words.. "acting like an ***" and "walking over the roofs of parked cars"
I have had people drive by me at speeds violating HTA 172, I have also seen people accelerate quickly, these are not things that are inherently dangerous nor are they disruptive to the public peace unless performed in an unsafe manner. You, as an individual, have to know when speed and acceleration are inappropriate and dangerous.
The issue for me was never that you should be able to violate the law and not suffer consequences, but the moral 'superiority' of those who seem to think it is a good law.
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I'm not promoting it as a good law, just saying the majority of people caught under the law seem to have deserved it and most complaining are complaining simply of being caught. Also I made a comment on the fact that if you value riding that much you wouldn't do anything to jeapardize that would you?
I think the basis of the law is good, it makes people think twice about acting like an ***.
Why is it in every running thread people bring up the top speed of a cruiser (240km/h give or take) vs the top speed of a 600 (260km/h give or take).
It's not the top speed that you use to get away from the police. It's the acceleration.
2009 ZX6R
http://scottishbiker.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/2009-kawasaki-zx-6r-road-test-and-pictures/
0-100mph (160km/h): 6 seconds
top speed: 160mph
Ford Police Interceptor 4.6L SFI
http://www.sshep.com/police_interceptor.htm
0-100mph (160km/h): 26 seconds.
top speed 129mph
The bike can be out of the police cars sight in the extra 20 seconds it takes for the police car to get up to speed. And yes I know no police chase starts 0km/h but these are the stats available to me. Draw your own conclusions. But in 20 seconds at 160km/h the bike can cover 888 meters.
It's not the top speed that you use to get away from the police. It's the acceleration.
2009 ZX6R
http://scottishbiker.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/2009-kawasaki-zx-6r-road-test-and-pictures/
0-100mph (160km/h): 6 seconds
top speed: 160mph
Ford Police Interceptor 4.6L SFI
http://www.sshep.com/police_interceptor.htm
0-100mph (160km/h): 26 seconds.
top speed 129mph
The bike can be out of the police cars sight in the extra 20 seconds it takes for the police car to get up to speed. And yes I know no police chase starts 0km/h but these are the stats available to me. Draw your own conclusions. But in 20 seconds at 160km/h the bike can cover 888 meters.
jotapeh
Active member
I have no sympathy for someone who is actually being a ****** getting caught and then coming to complain about that, we agree there.
That said, there is no question that officers do occasionally pull people over and lay charges that are completely false and unfair. With the majority of tickets, that's fine, because you have an opportunity to defend yourself. With HTA 172, you do not get that chance, and proving yourself innocent will not reclaim the impound fee nor the legal fees.
Even if the basis of the law is good, a lot of bad things in human history have had good intentions, and a poorly executed law with good intention is not a good thing in my books.
I'm really enjoying reading everyone's posts. Some great points being made and also some different opinions being expressed. Good to see it's not turned into a flame war like some threads. Nice to see things are being hashed out in a manner that doesn't sound like you're attacking each other.. Especially considering the matter being discussed.
KRFDPSSTI
Banned
Good point...
Best way to give yourself a head start (assuming your plate is tucked) is pull over, wait till the bacon gets out of the cruiser and then book it. By the time overweight bacon runs back to the car, puts it into drive and pulls out into traffic youre already at tims sipping double double and laughing at said bacon
BOOSTEDSI
Member
Amen!!! Brotha
jotapeh
Active member
Good point...
Best way to give yourself a head start (assuming your plate is tucked) is pull over, wait till the bacon gets out of the cruiser and then book it. By the time overweight bacon runs back to the car, puts it into drive and pulls out into traffic youre already at tims sipping double double and laughing at said bacon
ehh.. there's a number of reasons this is a bad idea... but here's a few things to think about:
- the cop has now seen you up close and mostly stationary, knows your bike make/model, your approximate height/weight, a lot of things much more accurately than if you were never that close
- you're probably recorded now, close up, by the cruiser camera
- you've probably already been radio'd in because you have no plate.
Just saying, I can't see myself (if I were a police officer) pulling up behind someone with no plate visible, or worse an obviously flipped up plate, and not preparing for him to take off.
flightzed
Well-known member
Just wanted to note it's refreshing reading a post like yours!!! I agree 100%
gixxer_flexx
Well-known member
1) slowdown to 1st/2nd or MAX 3rd depending on the speed your at
2) adjust hand position on throttle to allow max acceleration
3) grip tank tight
4) bring feet down and push back on foot pegs
5) dip!!
ps. plan a route QUICK! and fast on straights chill on corners, nothign would be worse then slipping on sand dipping from the boydem.
2) adjust hand position on throttle to allow max acceleration
3) grip tank tight
4) bring feet down and push back on foot pegs
5) dip!!
ps. plan a route QUICK! and fast on straights chill on corners, nothign would be worse then slipping on sand dipping from the boydem.
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