invictus43
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I was programming touch-screen apps 10 years ago!!
I agree, but certainly this is a marketing thing, not a technology thing.
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RIP Steve Jobs
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I was programming touch-screen apps 10 years ago!!
I agree, but certainly this is a marketing thing, not a technology thing.
Veej
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GUI....
Mouse...
Scroll wheel...
Music Industry.....
Pixar....
phones that are intuitive and fun...(made the competition ***** their pants... @ the site of the iphone...)
ipad....
Macs...a system that just works....
and for the cherry ontop he was a rider....
if i need to further explain...you wouldn't understand....
I was programming touch-screen apps 10 years ago!!
haha I was doing the same.
Marketing at it's finest then. How we see that technology has changed, guess that's his biggest contribution.
While this is true, I think Napster was much much more revolutionary (something which apple via itunes recognized and subsequently developed their own solution). I will concede though that apple found a very successful way to monetize it.
invictus43
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I'm fairly savvy..the mouse was created in the 60's and was being used by Xerox among others shortly thereafter. The GUI was created around the same time..not by Apple or Steve Jobs. Mac OS X is basically an evolution of Unix which was originally developed in the late 60's. Imagine, a multi-threaded, well-secured OS in the early 70's, long before Apple or MS existed. I will give credit to Jobs for recognizing the superiority of Unix over the other OS's out there and getting Apple to buy into it. He, however, was a long way from inventing it or even being the first to use it in a widespread fashion. Steve Jobs did not invent or have anything to do with the music industry..he WAS smart enough to figure out how to sell songs when Napster failed to do so 5 years earlier. Like I say, online song downloads were occuring long before the iPod.
wonderings
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I dont think anyone can honestly say invented anything, what he saw was a future in it. He had vision, where others lacked. Yes, the mouse was out before, the gui as well. Who actually made it work for the home user? Not xerox, they had no vision for it otherwise they would be the super power in computers right now.
Tablets were out long before iPads. They never sold, and had a very very select marketplace that was primarily commercial use. He saw something in it that would work for the masses.
Same for smart phones. Windows Mobile, Palm, and others have been out for ages, with apps, but they were stagnant and people were no interested in the way they were. Apple came with the the iPhone and literally changed it all. Now the market is smart phones and apps. Part marketing, but a big part is implementing an eco system that works, works well and is easy to use.
Apple/Jobs is not a company of invention, but a company of vision and seeing potential. Flawless no, but they have a pretty strong track record in doing what works.
Steve Jobs, he thought different.
I've been at it for just as long as you Rob!
Great? No. Usable and functional, for most people? Certainly. Far more so than the abortion known as OS2, in the many flavours I was cursed to work with. Win31 was a bridge, from DOS to a fully GUI operating system. Any technological transition will have things about it, that people don't like, but it was a huge improvement over the various menu systems people had been using, up until then.
If you'd wanted to make a point then you should have brought up the original Win95, that missed all public release dates in Canada (except the company I was working for), or WinME
invictus43
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Great? No. Usable and functional, for most people? Certainly. Far more so than the abortion known as OS2, in the many flavours I was cursed to work with. Win31 was a bridge, from DOS to a fully GUI operating system. Any technological transition will have things about it, that people don't like, but it was a huge improvement over the various menu systems people had been using, up until then.
If you'd wanted to make a point then you should have brought up the original Win95, that missed all public release dates in Canada (except the company I was working for), or WinME
Well, I was going to go for Win95 but Win 3.1 just made me cringe..
Especially after working on Unix boxes for so long. Hey, I liked some of the Apple stuff..and Jobs was a visionary guy to be sure. I just read this in the Star and it sums it up pretty well for me, particularly the part about iTunes being a steaming digital turd.. http://www.thestar.com/business/art...t-like-following-but-i-still-mourn-steve?bn=1
Well, I was going to go for Win95 but Win 3.1 just made me cringe..
http://www.thestar.com/business/art...t-like-following-but-i-still-mourn-steve?bn=1
Unix boxes aren't consumer friendly
Funny but I was just commenting, elsewhere, that the basic concept behind iTunes was the way that the music industry should have gone if they wanted to avoid rampant piracy.
invictus43
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Unix boxes aren't consumer friendly
Funny but I was just commenting, elsewhere, that the basic concept behind iTunes was the way that the music industry should have gone if they wanted to avoid rampant piracy.
I think the music industry was in denial. I think they figured they had all the legal power etc and weren't smart enough to figure out something like iTunes. The could have partnered with Napster but they just didn't get with it. Ah well.
Unix boxes aren't consumer friendly
Funny but I was just commenting, elsewhere, that the basic concept behind iTunes was the way that the music industry should have gone if they wanted to avoid rampant piracy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the success of iTunes contingent on having a music and media player that users loved to use? They never could have figured that out, it took Jobs.
And that's just it; Jobs didn't really create things, in the last half of his life. What he did, was clearly see where technology was going and how people would interact with it. There are times when people should have listened.
That made me LOLz
Did he? Did he invent the cell phone? Text messaging? The tablet computer even? Nope...he just put them in shiny wrappers, restricted their use and sold them at a premium. He was a brilliant marketer...I believe Wozniac was an inventor.
How long did it take you to read it, though?
That's one of two possible explanations for the success of Apple. The other explanation is that his products had a very strong appeal to the masses.
Now, a brilliant marketer can sell a piece of stone-coloured foam at a premium... for a little while (Pet Rock). Apple has seen two decades-long spurts of smash success both times when Jobs was on the job.
To me, the marketing explanation is just an excuse for techy folk that still don't get it.
LOL, u guys are going to HELL!
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