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rbjeepthing said:
Hold on a second. Did I read that two riders crashed and people find that acceptable and a regular occurrence? If that's the case I hope to never come across any of these rides on the roads.
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Being on yesterday's ride I'm surprised that not more people bit it. Southwood road although being twisty was not a place I'd try to jam my bike in to the corners.....or for that matter drive at a spirited mannered all. Too many blind corners, too many bumps, gravel on road, cyclists....and cars.
Outside of that, not ever riding with any of the others posed its own issues...poor lines....constant braking...etc.

When the Zx10 dumped it...I was surprised that nobody stayed back. Everybody just jumped on their bikes and resumed the ride with no one seeing if could actually ride it back....wtf?

Thanks to C-note a few group of riders including myself (whom stayed back with the ZX10) splintered from the main group managed to have a GOOD safe ride.

He was familiar with the roads / hazards and was concerned with all who was with him....on the way home we split up and were in the city by around 5.
I'd ride with those boys anytime!
 
Definitely learned a valuable lesson on this ride and will put that into play if and when I do a group ride again with riders I don't know. On Southwood road a prior warning to all the riders of the type of road we would be travelling on would've been good as I do when leading a group going into snake rd or any tight twistys with alot of bad sightlines,long sweepers with good sight lines are another story.For me the biggest issue on this ride was at the beginning of the twistys there were far too many slower riders up front which caused a lot of passing the best part of this ride for me was the ride home with two riders I know and trust no pressure no competition and enjoyed the twistys thoroughly but it is what it is at any time on this ride anyone of us could've bailed but we didn't so we cannot blame Lime green or anyone else for that matter.This is the jeopardy we put ourselves in with this dangerous passion we all share
 
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I wasn't on this ride. I was at Shannonville ... taking corners a lot sharper a lot faster.

Only thing I've got to say, from watching the videos, is that there are a few folks who need to sharpen their skills. You go where you look ... therefore, look through the turn (including looking where the road is going if it is over the crest of a hill) rather than straight. The crash over the crest of a hill was completely unnecessary, the rider was almost straight up and down and didn't even try to turn. Classic target fixation.

Following too closely ... not good.

Crossing center lines ... not good.

Passing another bike in the same lane - regardless of the reason - not good.

Take an advanced riding course. ANY of them. FAST, Racer5, etc.
 
S3LEKTA said:
never mind your crazy line, i had my share of avoiding to deal with.

http://vimeo.com/48719757

First vid, person behind crashes. All this pile up cuz of person in front of me jamming on breaks in the corners.

No offense guys, maybe something to consider working on.. to prevent future mishaps
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, isn't that limegreen? The "new to forum, not new to riding?" the organizer and leader of the ride ? lol.

Sure bud....
 
I tried to avoid calling individuals out, but now that you've gone ahead and done it ... can't say I disagree. See my previous post ...
 
+1. Nice try. Lol
 
I wanted to come out to this ride, but I'm glad I didn't. Why is the guy in the video passing in the turns? Why is he passing within the lane? Guys like this should be kept off the road.

S3LEKTA said:
never mind your crazy line, i had my share of avoiding to deal with.

http://vimeo.com/48719757

http://vimeo.com/48719758

First vid, person behind crashes. All this pile up cuz of person in front of me jamming on breaks in the corners.

Second vid, ZX-10r other dude crashed earlier, stay on your side of the road.

No offense guys, maybe something to consider working on.. to prevent future mishaps
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This is exactly the reason I avoid big rides, plus it's a massive heat score. I have heard too many horror stories this year alone of massive group rides gone wrong. One or more riders downed and sometimes seriously injured.

I've only ever been on one big ride that was lead and organized really well and that was a ride Silent Vik organized about two seasons ago. Even though that ride was executed well - no one crashed, everyone had a good time, and it was a good pace, it wasn't hard to figure out really quickly that a big ride has the potential to turn into chaos - especially if the leader isn't qualified to lead it, is the only one who knows the route, there is no experienced sweeper in place and tons of riders with varied levels of experience.

When Silent Vik's ride had over 30 plus bikes show up he taught other people he trusted the route and the groups split off based on experience - noob group, fast group, bigger bike group etc. there was a sweeper assigned to every group who did not mind taking a slower pace, who knew the route and made sure from the back that everyone was ok, and that the group stayed together.

Vik made sure everyone was there at every stop and somehow everyone had respect for each others space. IMO Noobs should not be leading big group rides - they hardly have the experience to group ride effectively let alone lead a group.

I agree that each rider is responsible for the risks they take but at the same time - it is very easy for a noob, who has little experience to think he or she is doing what is expected in a group ride by trying to keep up with the pace beyond their skill level. It's sometimes a difficult assessment to make as to whether or not you are capable of following a slightly faster rider who is easily manouvering through approaching corners.

IMO group rides are over rated - Solo rides to a group of 6 bikes max is where it's at.
 
Brian P, you explain about the zx-10 that went down as he went over the hill and how he wasn't straight and could have saved it. Not true. That video was filmed by me, that crashed happened before my eyes. That road had spots of sand and as you can see, the sand was what he landed in when he went down. However, the bike went over the hill, and landed ON some sand in the road and the bike lost grip, turned sideways and lowsided. Despite the fact that it was a little bit of rider error being so far to the right on that corner and not slowing for the hill to see what lies ahead of it, there wasn't much else he could have done to save it. Maybe with some dirtbike experience then maybe, but unlikely. He did good, the bike didn't touch pavement, only slid in sand. His helmet saved him, I didn't get a good look at it but apparently he basically needs a new one. Pretty sure that may have hit pavement and then he was in the sand. Hope this sheds some light on this accident. Not all accidents are ENTIRELY the riders fault. Yes they could be prevented by rider by all the little things, but sometimes they just can't be saved.

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First of all. It's not easy leading.

But the group was way to large. Should've been broken up to 3 groups with 3 leaders. Just my opinion.

Oh and don't know why you all are hating on one another? This is a community. You should all be responsible for your fellow brothers/sisters on two wheels. We all deserve to go home safe.

If something needed to be said or changed. Im Sure there were chances at rest stops or the meet up spot to do so.

Shame everyone is blaming one another when it's a community sport.
 
sounds like u lead a large ride with some nice roads.
its to bad not everyone kept to there own safe pace but thats for them to decide.

Iv been on rides where I wasnt happy with the people in front or behind me, I decided to switch to sweep (my choice)
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I go 2up a lot and with fast groups, if they get me to 80% of my ability I drop back and ride safe. Everyone takes there own risk as soon as they decide to ride there bike.

people went down, that sucks.......but cant be blaimed on the OP
 
Maverick95 said:
Brian P, you explain about the zx-10 that went down as he went over the hill and how he wasn't straight and could have saved it. Not true. That video was filmed by me, that crashed happened before my eyes. That road had spots of sand and as you can see, the sand was what he landed in when he went down. However, the bike went over the hill, and landed ON some sand in the road and the bike lost grip, turned sideways and lowsided. Despite the fact that it was a little bit of rider error being so far to the right on that corner and not slowing for the hill to see what lies ahead of it, there wasn't much else he could have done to save it. Maybe with some dirtbike experience then maybe, but unlikely. He did good, the bike didn't touch pavement, only slid in sand. His helmet saved him, I didn't get a good look at it but apparently he basically needs a new one. Pretty sure that may have hit pavement and then he was in the sand. Hope this sheds some light on this accident. Not all accidents are ENTIRELY the riders fault. Yes they could be prevented by rider by all the little things, but sometimes they just can't be saved.

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Look at the vid closely, kinnda looks like he locked up the rear before the turn.. Then all down hill from there. Or could have been the sand that sent him into a wobble before the turn... Either way, he was doomed before he even got into the turn. That little rear tire skid screwed him
 
I tried talking to the leader but he was quick to dismiss what I had to say... Then continued to get back on the road while people were taking a piss/having a smoke and left a dozen people behind. I tried to help the group while we were traveling to the start of Southwood, and would have been more then happy to help maintain the group and safety.
 
RandomHero said:
Good for you, we don't need people who need others to hold thier hands while riding. If someone took someone else out then I'd be concerned. As it stands it was a couple of people who pushed the limits a bit to far and payed a MINOR price for it. This could have happened to them alone just the same as it did this ride.

Don't be a drama queen.
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You missed the point. Our group rides SW frequently an I can't count how many times we have had rides come across the center line on us do to be inexpierened and unable to hold a line. There is absolutely no reason to crash on a rode like SW other then not knowing when you are riding above your ability. The fact that no one seemed to have spoke up o these riders is even more scary. Grow some balls people the life you shave might be your own.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. SW is not for beginners or people to test their limits.
 
C-Note said:
I tried talking to the leader but he was quick to dismiss what I had to say... Then continued to get back on the road while people were taking a piss/having a smoke and left a dozen people behind. I tried to help the group while we were traveling to the start of Southwood, and would have been more then happy to help maintain the group and safety.
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C note. Sometimes there's not much you can do. You did what you could to keep the group together and safe, which I can really respect. But in the end, each rider has to look out for him/herself to ride within their abilities. I do think that the leader should have waited for everyone to be ready to leave... But what happened is over and done with. I personally enjoyed the ride. Great roads. Just sketchy events occurred.
 
rbjeepthing said:
You missed the point. Our group rides SW frequently an I can't count how many times we have had rides come across the center line on us do to be inexpierened and unable to hold a line. There is absolutely no reason to crash on a rode like SW other then not knowing when you are riding above your ability. The fact that no one seemed to have spoke up o these riders is even more scary. Grow some balls people the life you shave might be your own.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. SW is not for beginners or people to test their limits.
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And where exactly do you pull over to do this? You expect people to just stop in a blind corner and explain to an adult why crossing the yellow line is a bad idea? If people don't understand this then there isn't much you can do for them.

Like I said earlier, the turnout was a lot bigger than expected. If more people would have chimed in here to let limegreen know that they were showing up then perhaps he would have had a chance to organise it better.

I agree that limegreen wasn't the most organized leader. There was a lot of confusion every stop and a lot of choas up until the first crash. Good on cnote for gathering up the loose ends and leadin a second group after that. It certainly made things a lot more manageable for both groups.

It's unfortunate that there wasn't more communication before the ride even started, perhaps a lot of this could have been avoided. Alas, at the end of the day you are responsible for yourself. I haven't seen any of the guys who crashed badmouth the group yet, so I'm going to assume that they understand this as well.
 
I will likely get flamed for this but I had to say something.

I haven't been on a group ride since getting my new bike but in the past I was never in groups of more than 10, and usually 6-8 at the most. There were pretty strict rules when we rode together and I'm not sure I understand if there were any on this ride. I was hoping to attend but wasn't able to and now, am glad that I wasn't. That being said, I'm currently learning formation flying and think that some of the strategies used might help newbs and riders with mileage (not necessarily experience) figure out how these things are supposed to work. I've been flying for over 10 years and just started the acrobatic and formation stuff and can tell you that it's a whole different ballgame and think that its the same for solo versus group riding. Maybe it might be a good idea to create a sticky that explains the rules for group rides going forward. There is some good info in the "Pace Principles" sticky although more information would likely be a good thing including rules and definition of terms too.

What's with all the hate? Aren't we all the same riders that "wave" whenever we see another rider? I'm not sure that the OP can be blamed entirely since I don't think he had any idea that 30 bikes would show up.

Finally, I hope that the riders in these group rides aren't looking to the ROC 2011 videos on Youtube for inspiration or guidance. Cool videos, but I don't think I would want to ride in that group.
 
At one point in the beginning, I looked behind me and I swear I was in the ROC 2011 video.. Lol. Just not as many wheelies lol
 
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