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Heard Doug Ford giving police extra power to stop and question people on the news
The Stop&Question is only during the curfew? What time does the curfew start and finish?
Is there a curfew?
 
Superveloce said:
stay home stay safe except I want to go to my cottage and talk to my neighbor so therefore I’m a good person doing my part . Haha
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Oh trust me I’m far from perfect in this matter. I just don’t go calling people sheeple because they do their part.

We go to the cottage because to us, this is safe and within the rules of secondary properties. Simple as that.

We keep our distance, stay away from others, and this is our way to keep our sanity. We’re thankful we have the option.

But I won’t go calling people sheep or whatever else because of varying viewpoints.
 
"I dont need anyone else! I have bootstraps!*

*hears noise at night*

"911 OFFICER HALP!"
 
" I would like to reassure our citizens that our officers will not be conducting random vehicle or individual stops”.
- quote by Peel Chief
 
justride said:
Heard Doug Ford giving police extra power to stop and question people on the news
The Stop&Question is only during the curfew? What time does the curfew start and finish?
Is there a curfew?
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No curfew. Can theoretically stop you anytime to inquire why you are out and about. I expect in reality it will happen almost never.
 
Iceman said:
Yeah but everyone is doing whatever they personally deem ok and necessary.
Didn't someone here recently travel to a faraway land to buy a camper?
Everyone has their own "I want". Who's judging right or wrong?

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Haha exactly. We all can justify anything to ourselves.

Is crossing the QC border essential to buy a toy? Nope
Is going to the cottage essential? Nope
Is going for a 200-500km motorcycle ride essential? Nope

we are great at justifying our actions to ourselves.
 
mimico_polak said:
We go to the cottage because to us, this is safe and within the rules of secondary properties. Simple as that.

We keep our distance, stay away from others, and this is our way to keep our sanity. We’re thankful we have the option.
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If everyone did things smartly we'd not need 3/4 of these issues we're dealing with right now.

Last summer was a great example. There was much debate about cottages in late spring and early summer as well as I'm sure many of us remember.

The smart people said "Why can't I load up all my food and supplies, drive non stop to my cottage, and sit there and and enjoy the place while isolating?"

The not so smart people went to their cottage, but not before stopping 1/2 there at a random LCBO, 3/4 of the way there at some random grocery store (and wandered through it for an hour buying groceries they should have brought from their home area), then went to a Walmart somewhere else again to buy some new stuff for the cottage that wasn't really needed anyways...etc etc etc. And there we had the spread that was the underlying problem to begin with - person from hotspot dragging their potentially asymptomatic covid to non-hotspot B.

I want to go camping right now. If we went, we'd pack everything in our driveway and go straight to point B and park our *****. I just want to sit around a campfire with my wife and stare into the woods and relax and enjoy nature. And then pack up when we're done and head straight home. That's not a problem. But unfortunately the people who don't understand or appreciate the science behind how things spread are the issue here as they can't leave their home without stopping at 20 unnecessary indoor places along the way.
 
For me, regardless of edict or trying to twist wording on a technicality like a child trying to avoid bedtime, I'm not riding. Tempting as it is, I'm capable of making minor sacrifices.

The simple reason is the odds of putting a demand on the health care system are a lot higher on a ride than if I stay home. I'm a big enough boy that I can understand that staying home, particularly with the endless options for keeping myself occupied, isn't the same as being sent to prison. I am sad for us as a society if we are collectively incapable of putting aside our expectations of having everything we want whenever we want it, fellow citizens be damned.

My freedom isn't being infringed upon because I believe the health care system is being stretched to near breaking, so I make that choice willingly. Call me a sheep if you like, but this isn't about 'freedom' it's about making a collective effort to do without for a bit so we can get through this with the fewest people dying unnecessarily. This isn't 'just the flu', this isn't exaggerated, this is real.

The irony is the less we participate, the more likely there is to be a negative impact on 'the economy' (as if it's some greedy god that must be placated - I suppose money is the real 21st century God, after all). The more people die, the more this drags out, the longer the damage will last. I look at my own industry, construction, and how big a bullet we just dodged by not being fully shut down yesterday. To me, the onus is now on us collectively to respect that reprieve by being hyper-vigilant about workplace regulations and compliance. Of course, that costs production, which costs money, so I'm not feeling too optimistic. I will not be surprised if in two weeks, with numbers continuing to climb, we do eventually get fully shut down, and we'll only have ourselves to blame...
 
Iceman said:
Didn't someone here recently travel to a faraway land to buy a camper?
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Touchè.

But, see last response. We could all be travelling right now within reason if we were being smart about it.

But I agree we will all come up with our reasons to travel regardless if we want. I just wish some were smarter about it. And assess the risks in todays realities versus the realities back then - IE, with hospital capacity in the GTA being greatly reduced I'm going to seriously reconsider riding, even to and from work which is perfectly acceptable considering I'm an essential worker who must commute.
 
Step back for a moment, about the justifications.

We have to not (or minimize) interact with other people, in order to reduce the risk of catching or spreading covid19. Where such interaction is necessary, reduce risk: do it outdoors, wear a mask, keep your distance, improve ventilation with outdoor air, avoid crowds.

We have to not be responsible for a contribution to demand upon the healthcare system in general. Means, on top of all the usual stuff, avoid risky activities or actions.

"should I ride my motorcycle"? -> can you "not crash" while riding your motorcycle? -> There are no absolutes, but you can tilt the balance, in many ways, in either direction.

"should I go to the cottage"? -> can you not fall out of the boat, or twist your ankle on the steep path or in the woods nearby, etc.? -> Again there are no absolutes, but many ways to tilt the balance in either direction.
 
justride said:
Heard Doug Ford giving police extra power to stop and question people on the news
The Stop&Question is only during the curfew? What time does the curfew start and finish?
Is there a curfew?
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no curfew
 
PrivatePilot said:
I think you've been watching too much US TV. You may want to come up to speed on the new temporary laws, and our laws in general

You can't just sit silently and refuse to answer any questions until after you've been arrested.
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I dont really watch TV.

Other than providing my DL, reg. and proof of ins. I don't and never have answered any questions during a legal traffic stop.

The new, temporarily powers granted by the sol. general violate more than one section of the CCRF... you dont need a law degree to see it for yourself.
Hence... I'm not worried in practical term of their effect however.... That the sol general thinks she can just wave her wand and change the law of the land AND that its more or less accepted is very concerning.
Many police services have already come out to say. "Uh.... No, we won't be doing this".... Except the OPP of course, but we all know why Lol

ETA and somewhat full disclosure of bias Lol... I work in the MSG. Me no have high opinion of Sylvia in the first palce
 
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Brian P said:
Step back for a moment, about the justifications.

We have to not (or minimize) interact with other people, in order to reduce the risk of catching or spreading covid19. Where such interaction is necessary, reduce risk: do it outdoors, wear a mask, keep your distance, improve ventilation with outdoor air, avoid crowds.

We have to not be responsible for a contribution to demand upon the healthcare system in general. Means, on top of all the usual stuff, avoid risky activities or actions.

"should I ride my motorcycle"? -> can you "not crash" while riding your motorcycle? -> There are no absolutes, but you can tilt the balance, in many ways, in either direction.

"should I go to the cottage"? -> can you not fall out of the boat, or twist your ankle on the steep path or in the woods nearby, etc.? -> Again there are no absolutes, but many ways to tilt the balance in either direction.
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Well said.

I might go for a ride, I'm not sure, but that's not the point.

If I'm stopped I will happily provide all the documentation the PO asks for. If he asks where I'm going or coming from the answer is "home". There's no need to be confrontational or rude. If I get a ticket I won't pay it or plead guilty.

The stop and question measures provide way too much leeway for the police. Police are individuals and are flawed just like the rest of us, but some of them (tiny percentage perhaps) have flaws or tendencies that the rest of us can't exercise or exploit.

Mock me all you want, but my perspective was created listening to the experiences of my father in occupied Holland in WW2. The freedom to move about without being questioned or detained by government authority is paramount. Yes, it always comes with a risk but it is important.

With or without lockdowns I do my part. Staying home, masking and well away from anyone and not visiting anybody has been and will continue to be the norm.
 
V-Tom said:
My work is considered an "essential service" and my job requires me physically be at work. Our company has provided employees that have to go to work with a letter saying we are required to commute.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out when out riding on a non-work day. When riding I have a habit of stopping and saying hello to police (and waving if a stop isn't practical.) Most officers are decent people just doing their jobs and appreciate a kind word. It also seems like half of them ride or want to ride.

..Tom
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I am the same way, I am either meeting, chatting up cops or vise versa. Last one I bumped into was at Mt Albert and they were from Toronto PD. Agreed all great people and always eager to chat, wave, nods etc.

BTW this all happens at a distance, masks etc. I do my part, but still try and be a little social and positive around people.
 
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Well, I was really thinking about going out for a ride, but now I'm torn reading this thread. Yeah, it's not essential. Working all week, going out for a rip would be a nice release from the all stressors, doom and gloom circulating everywhere. But people are dying. ICUs are overwhelmed. I'm just glad to be alive and COVID-free. Beer in the fridge. MotoGP race on tomorrow.
 
Well said @Brian P we all need to do our part to minimize the impact on our healthcare system. Doesn’t mean stop living totally, but (to me) do it within reasonable limits.

But I can def see how some people will complain that I go to the cottage because I should be staying home. My only question would be: are you complaining because I go to the cottage? Or because you don’t have the same option?
 
As usual, Dougie did not ask anyone about this and he should not be surprised to hear that many police departments have already issued statements indicating that they will not be enforcing the stay at home or no travel order.


This is like DoFo announcing 4 - 6 weeks ago that pharmacies will be offering vaccines in certain areas the next day and pharmacies responding that they know nothing about the plan......... Doug needs to be reminded that his huge "business" experience is in a very small 100% family owned label / tag manufacturer where the Boss tells everyone what to do and they get it done or they're fired. My friends, folks, all of you little guys out there..........maybe running a province and a pandemic response is a wee bit more complex.

We head up to the cottage every 2 weeks for 2 - 3 nights and will continue to do so. Open year round and need to check out propane levels and that stoves are working properly. We pack up in GTA, travel directly there, shop nowhere and head home same way.

Above aside, I'm on the fence a bit with riding, either alone or in a group. Definitely not an essential task and with hospitals, ICU's and the healthcare system in general is moving to what appears to be a terrible capacity crisis over the next 2 - 6 weeks. Do I want to place myself in a position where I or a friend might need specialized emergency care that is simply not available as the system is overwhelmed. BTW, same issue exists for people who will require emergency care for stokes, heart attacks etc...... Based on the trend numbers a lot of people are going to SOL. and then Doug will throw up his hands and say "who could have known this would happen".

I think the risk of being stopped is minimal. Also, if in a group then just ride on if a member is stopped and connect up with them later, don't stop as a group if you don't have to. You can also avoid any risk of being stopped by just not riding for another 3 - 4 weeks.

Have you guessed that I'm not a bit fan of Dougie.........
 
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