RCMP Officer, drunk, kills motorcyclist, 21

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So, it's ok for police to be placed on a paid leave while facing a criminal charge, but for the hundreds of other professions, that require less public trust and aren't as critical, get screwed.

I see nothing wrong with that

Why would tax payers(people here on this board), be up in arms over a public service that seems to treat their employees much better then the private sector. Also, have been skewing the legal system for their own, in a system(which their are suppose to protect and uphold its basic values) that should have parity for all citizens of the country.

Wait... Who employs the police again and who are they supposed to be accountable too?

 

[Duster929]

I agree....it isn't right....and it doesn't matter what the charge is...it isn't right! Don't pretend it's okay because it's "just speeding"

I've paid my fair share of parking and speeding tickets. I've done so without objection, I've done so pleading guilty with an explanation, and I've been to court to fight charges that weren't fair. I don't pretend things are okay, if they aren't.

I haven't yet gotten drunk with my two kids in the car and killed a 21 year old, while being employed in the service of the community, sworn to do my best to prevent such things from happening. When I find myself in those shoes, I hope to God I don't run from the scene and then ask my buddies to cover it up, delay the charges, keep my name out of the press, and ask my employer to pay me while I stay home.

Sorry man, this crap show is not ok with me.

--- D

 

[AdRath]

He should be given pay after being suspended. Why? He's innocent until proven guilty and should be treated as such. There might have been extenuating circumstances that we don't know about that might have caused this. Until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt he is innocent. Just remember the case about the guy who sleep walked and killed his parents in law while sleep walking. He did the crime, but was proven innocent. Why? He had no mens reya, he did not have the guilty mind (sorry bad explanation... 3hrs of sleep -_-). yeah, it's a totally different case, but the point is that you never know all the facts until being presented with them after a full investigation.

I don't know of many jobs that would pay you to stay home for months on end... do you? If you don't work you don't get paid. If what you have done prevents you from working then you don't get paid. These aren't willy nilly accusations the guy killed a kid, left the scene of the crime and was found to be drunk not to mention he had his kids in the car with him. I have known several people who have lost their jobs because of a DUI. They needed their license to work (all before being found guilty). Why should police (license required) be any different?

 

[Paul]

So, it's ok for police to be placed on a paid leave while facing a criminal charge, but for the hundreds of other professions, that require less public trust and aren't as critical, get screwed.

I see nothing wrong with that

Why would tax payers(people here on this board), be up in arms over a public service that seems to treat their employees much better then the private sector. Also, have been skewing the legal system for their own, in a system(which their are suppose to protect and uphold its basic values) that should have parity for all citizens of the country.

Wait... Who employs the police again and who are they supposed to be accountable too?

Go find yourself a union job.....a union that singed a contract with the employer...oh wait...that's YOU AND I. Vote Liberal!! LOL

Don't hate the player...hate the game!

 

[Paul]

I've paid my fair share of parking and speeding tickets. I've done so without objection, I've done so pleading guilty with an explanation, and I've been to court to fight charges that weren't fair. I don't pretend things are okay, if they aren't.

I haven't yet gotten drunk with my two kids in the car and killed a 21 year old, while being employed in the service of the community, sworn to do my best to prevent such things from happening. When I find myself in those shoes, I hope to God I don't run from the scene and then ask my buddies to cover it up, delay the charges, keep my name out of the press, and ask my employer to pay me while I stay home.

Sorry man, this crap show is not ok with me.

--- D

Easy to type from the comfort of your own home/office....

 

[Paul]

I don't know of many jobs that would pay you to stay home for months on end... do you? If you don't work you don't get paid. If what you have done prevents you from working then you don't get paid. These aren't willy nilly accusations the guy killed a kid, left the scene of the crime and was found to be drunk not to mention he had his kids in the car with him. I have known several people who have lost their jobs because of a DUI. They needed their license to work (all before being found guilty). Why should police (license required) be any different?

Again...Don't hate the player...hate the game...the Union obviously negotiated all this...and the province/country signed off on it

 

[camber]

Go find yourself a union job.....a union that singed a contract with the employer...oh wait...that's YOU AND I. Vote Liberal!! LOL

Don't hate the player...hate the game!

Reform, starts somewhere..... If police keep abusing the system and getting caught in a very public manner. People will speak up and things will change.

Maybe you don't care and you think its okay for police to get preferential treament. I hope you don't find youself on the otherside of one these incidents. Maybe you won't be so smug and in turn belittle the victims of the "game".

 

[hewathe]

Thoughts are with the family of the fallen rider. Rest in peace.

 

[dankyyz]

I've paid my fair share of parking and speeding tickets. I've done so without objection, I've done so pleading guilty with an explanation, and I've been to court to fight charges that weren't fair. I don't pretend things are okay, if they aren't.

I haven't yet gotten drunk with my two kids in the car and killed a 21 year old, while being employed in the service of the community, sworn to do my best to prevent such things from happening. When I find myself in those shoes, I hope to God I don't run from the scene and then ask my buddies to cover it up, delay the charges, keep my name out of the press, and ask my employer to pay me while I stay home.

Sorry man, this crap show is not ok with me.

--- D

If it was me driving (and it would never happen) and i had just killed someone (who was likely face down in the street), and had my kids in the car, and was a quick walk from my home. I would leave my ID with someone at the scene, walk to my house, drop the kids off and walk back to the scene and take my lumps.

After all the jibberjabber, that might be exactly what this guy did. He'll likely get a "leaving the scene of an accident" as well. I would also risk that so my kids dont get front rows to a dead guy in the street.

May the rider RIP. Bad scene.

 

[Duster929]

Easy to type from the comfort of your own home/office....

That's a BS answer, and you know it. By extension of that, no one can comment on anything that happens in the world or express an opinion about anything from the comfort of their office, since they are not directly involved...

--- D

 

[mxs]

I would leave my ID with someone at the scene, walk to my house, drop the kids off and walk back to the scene and take my lumps.

I don't think he left his ID at the scene, has he?

 

[Duster929]

If it was me driving (and it would never happen) and i had just killed someone (who was likely face down in the street), and had my kids in the car, and was a quick walk from my home. I would leave my ID with someone at the scene, walk to my house, drop the kids off and walk back to the scene and take my lumps.

After all the jibberjabber, that might be exactly what this guy did. He'll likely get a "leaving the scene of an accident" as well. I would also risk that so my kids dont get front rows to a dead guy in the street.

That's exactly what he'll say. The advice I've been given by cops I know, regarding drinking and driving, is to do exactly that. Give your license to someone at the scene, so you can clearly say you weren't trying to evade charges or leave the scene. Go home and have a couple of drinks. Make sure you leave the bottles out and visible. When the cops come, make sure they see that you've been drinking, at home, AFTER the accident.

And that renders the breathalyser results useless. Then you just need a plausible reason for why you had to go home immediately after the accident. Safety of the kids is a good one.

--- D

 

[Paul]

Reform, starts somewhere..... If police keep abusing the system and getting caught in a very public manner. People will speak up and things will change.

Maybe you don't care and you think its okay for police to get preferential treament. I hope you don't find youself on the otherside of one these incidents. Maybe you won't be so smug and in turn belittle the victims of the "game".

I'm not belittling the victim here...again...I don't agree with it...but what bother me most...is the hypocrisy that goes on from the people of this forum! I'm all for people speaking up and changing things...hell...I'd support it...but the fact is...the haters won't get off their ***** to change things....they'll come on here and do nothing but complain about how wrong something is knowing full well they'd do the exact same thing if they were in the exact same situation.

Not once did I say it was okay for the police to get preferential treatment.

Yep..maybe things will change once people speak up...but until then...you have no point.

 

[Duster929]

I don't think he left his ID at the scene, has he?

Sure he did, and made sure witnesses saw it. This guy's no dummy.

--- D

 

[Duster929]

I'm not belittling the victim here...again...I don't agree with it...but what bother me most...is the hypocrisy that goes on from the people of this forum! I'm all for people speaking up and changing things...hell...I'd support it...but the fact is...the haters won't get off their ***** to change things....they'll come on here and do nothing but complain about how wrong something is knowing full well they'd do the exact same thing if they were in the exact same situation.

Not once did I say it was okay for the police to get preferential treatment.

Yep..maybe things will change once people speak up...but until then...you have no point.

I've been on this forum long enough by now for you to know I'm neither a hater nor a hypocrite.

--- D

 

[Paul]

That's a BS answer, and you know it. By extension of that, no one can comment on anything that happens in the world or express an opinion about anything from the comfort of their office, since they are not directly involved...

--- D

Come on...you're no saint...you'd lawyer up just as fast as any one of us. That's all I'm saying. You can pretend you'd take your 20 years in jail....but while you're in that holding cell with Bubba eying you up....you'd do whatever you could to get out of it. It's human nature.

 

[Paul]

I've been on this forum long enough by now for you to know I'm neither a hater nor a hypocrite.

--- D

No..no....none of my posts are ever directed at any specific person...there are many haters/hypocrites on this site....most of my argument is directed to them as a group.

 

[Duster929]

No..no....none of my posts are ever directed at any specific person...there are many haters/hypocrites on this site....most of my argument is directed to them as a group.

Fair enough.

And as for me not being a saint, when did this become about "What I would do if I committed a crime"? Sure, I'd lawyer up if I was a criminal. I'd lawyer up if I was a serial killer that ate people's brains. What does that have to do with what's right and wrong?

The point is not really about what he does. Of course he's going to use the system to his advantage. He already likely factored that into his decision to drink and drive, knowing the consequences would be different for him than for others. My point is more about the flaws in the system that allow him to take advantage of certain things that are not available to everyone else. It's not his fault that police get preferential treatment, and of course police use it. But it ain't right, nonetheless.

--- D

 

[Paul]

Fair enough.

And as for me not being a saint, when did this become about "What I would do if I committed a crime"? Sure, I'd lawyer up if I was a criminal. I'd lawyer up if I was a serial killer that ate people's brains. What does that have to do with what's right and wrong?

The point is not really about what he does. Of course he's going to use the system to his advantage. He already likely factored that into his decision to drink and drive, knowing the consequences would be different for him than for others. My point is more about the flaws in the system that allow him to take advantage of certain things that are not available to everyone else. It's not his fault that police get preferential treatment, and of course police use it. But it ain't right, nonetheless.

--- D

That's exactly what I'm saying...it's not right...but don't persecute the cop for using the system especially knowing you (not literally you..lol) would do the same thing....even though it ain't right.

 

[eastcoast_gsx]

There are bad apples in every place of employment. This guy messed up big time. No doubt about that. I'm not arguing that he should get off. My argument is simple....he is doing what he can to get off a charge. You say it's wrong for him to do that. Yet if you were in the exact same boat...you'd do exactly what he is doing. That is all I'm trying to get across.

Just because cops can get off using their resources doesn't mean I think it's right. My posts are aimed more to the others here who continually post about how cops can get away with things when it's clear they are guilty. It's no different than you or I getting away with a Bill 203 charge knowing full well we're guilty!! It's called using the system....and that is simply what this cop is doing.

Let's say it was YOU that had a couple of drinks and killed someone. Again, I find it hard to believe you'd walk in to court...admit your guilty and take your punishment. I'd bet you'd do what you could to get out of it. You'd get a lawyer....who will play the system for you.

Sure..this cop should be put away for what he did...but don't ridicule him for using whatever contacts he has to get off the charge...cause you'd all do the same thing.

That's all I'm trying to say!

I don't blame the guy at all for trying to get off, my beef comes with the protectionist stance of the force(s).

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